I'm scared for my friend

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Haven’t there been stanford studies that have proven that the human mind is capable of some form of telekinesis? This may well be a harmless natural ability and it wouldn’t be just to attribute it to the occult outright, just because we don’t yet fully understand the science behind it. I would be cautious, however, because obviously developing these ‘abilities’ are a temptation for him to dabble in the occult…
 
whenever people try to affect the spiritual or the natural world somehow with their minds, *without God,…*that is witchcraft… and that opens doors to demons…
 
Monica4316 said:
whenever people try to affect the spiritual or the natural world somehow with their minds, *without God,…*that is witchcraft… and that opens doors to demons…
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Trying to affect the spiritual or natural world via supernatural means, without God, is occultism/witchcraft.

“…magic and witchcraft. Both are concerned with the producing of effects beyond the natural powers of man by agencies other than the Divine”

This is from the Catholic encyclopedia’s article on witchcraft. Emphasis mine. There is evidence that some form of telekinesis is within ‘the natural powers of man’, and would therefore be lawful to study and maybe even enjoy.

Of course I wholeheartedly agree that caution should be kept, I speak very strongly to friends whenever they dabble in things that could invite unwanted spirits in… but not everything falls in that category that we don’t understand.
 
Vulneris said:
I have a friend, let’s call him Nathan, who is an active practitioner and believer in psychic ability. And…I don’t doubt what he can do. He bent the spoon (literally, no tricks) before my eyes, with his “mind.”
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I don’t want to overwhelm anyone with technical jargon but this is an example of what magicians call a “trick”.
 
“…magic and witchcraft. Both are concerned with the producing of effects **beyond the natural powers of man **by agencies other than the Divine”
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hmm it seems to me though that the sort of thing we are discussing IS beyond the natural powers of man…

IF any form of telekinesis exists, naturally, IMO it should only be used with God’s help and guidance… otherwise it might cause temptation
 
Monica4316 said:
hmm it seems to me though that the sort of thing we are discussing IS beyond the natural powers of man…

IF any form of telekinesis exists, naturally, IMO it should only be used with God’s help and guidance… otherwise it might cause temptation
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May or may not be, I think there is evidence it is not… but that’s okay.

I agree, and, like I said earlier, this sounds like a temptation for this friend- whenever even lawful things are a temptation for an individual, they should avoided.
 
cerad said:
I don’t want to overwhelm anyone with technical jargon but this is an example of what magicians call a “trick”.
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Not all of it is a trick. And you can’t be so quick to call it such, because…well, according to the Book, this stuff exists. And according to the Book, this stuff is real. Also, he’s been involved in this kind of thing for a few years, has been trying to bend it(the spoon) for at least a year.
 
kage_ar said:
Would you not think an ordained Holy Priest would have just a tad more insight than you?
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Depends on the priest as a person. Only a precious few who I’ve encountered in my Catholic school days were very understanding and compassionate in their teachings. 🙂

Never generalize.
 
Vulneris said:
Not all of it is a trick. And you can’t be so quick to call it such, because…well, according to the Book, this stuff exists. And according to the Book, this stuff is real. Also, he’s been involved in this kind of thing for a few years, has been trying to bend it(the spoon) for at least a year.
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If you friend can do this and it is not a trick, he needs to contact a magician named “The Amazing Randi”. That magician has had a standing offer of one million dollars to anyone who can actually bend spoon/fork without it being a trick.

BTW- what do you mean by “the Book”?
 
Vulneris said:
I have a friend, let’s call him Nathan, who is an active practitioner and believer in psychic ability. And…I don’t doubt what he can do. He bent the spoon (literally, no tricks) before my eyes, with his “mind.”

Okay, that’s great…mind over matter he says. He’s almost what I’d call a spiritual atheist. I don’t want to push my beliefs on him too much, but I almost feel like he’s mucking with dangerous forces. He’s joked to me that he’d sell his soul for the ability to do more than just the spoon. (He also knows my religious background)

When I tell him that he may already have, and that this is actually the devil’s magic, he just laughs. What should I do? Praying just isn’t working, and I don’t feel that it’s enough at this point.
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Hello,

I think that you should be cautious dealing with your friend; Pray for him all the time and speak to a holy priest about this situation; it should not be taken lightly. pray the st. Michael prayer for your protection. Also, you could ask the same question in the spiritual warefare forum:

saint-mike.org/qa/sw/default.asp

in Christ,
 
vulneris—
i’m so sorry that you’re going through this with a friend that you obviously care about deeply. i have many friends who are struggling in their own ways, and i definitely know the feeling of desperation that you must be experiencing. please know that i will definitely be praying for both you and for “nathan.” i don’t know much about the occult, but i have to agree with many others who have posted on this thread that what he’s doing is incredibly dangerous, leads to darkness of the soul and sounds like it’s from Satan. please stay strong and please don’t give up hope or prayer, though—i hope and pray that through the responses on this thread, even through mine, God will encourage you and show you that there is always hope, even for the ones lost in the deepest darkness. i can relate to this in my own life—although i never dabbled in the occult, i have known much darkness in my life, yet God blessed and healed and restored me completely. He worked so many miracles in my life, and He can definitely do the same for “nathan.” no matter what he is dealing with, God can heal any darkness in his soul completely, and restore him completely to Himself. please know that there is always hope, so please don’t give it up or stop praying. i definitely advise praying a Rosary for him, as the power of the Rosary is absolutely incredible. i’m afraid that i’m too inexperienced in this subject to be able to give you much advice, but i am able to pray for you:

Heavenly Father, i just lift up vulneris to You now, and i pray that You would bless her, heal her of any pain she is going through at the moment because of her friend’s struggles and pour out Your Love upon her. i pray for her friend, “nathan,” that You would destroy any demonic influences in his life and bind all powers of darkness that are influencing him. i pray that all darkness in his life would be replaced with light and hope, that he would be healed of any darkness that may have infiltrated his soul and that Satan’s hold on his life would be replaced with Your Love. i pray for complete healing, hope and restoration for both vulneris and “nathan,” that they would grow close to You in every way. i pray that nathan, after complete restoration, would be protected from all future demonic influence, and that vulneris would be completely protected as well. You know that even after the deepest darkness, there is light, hope and restoration, Lord, and so i pray all this for nathan. i pray that You would soften and open his heart completely to the Truth, and allow vulneris to share the glory of the Gospel with him. i pray that he would become all that You want, need and call him to be, and that vulneris would as well. keep vulneris strong and encouraged, Lord, i pray, and don’t let her give up hope, for there is endless hope forever and completely in You alone, as i have learned because of Your Love in my own life. i pray all this, Lord, in the mighty Name of Jesus and through the intercession of our Blessed Mother, Mary, Amen. thank you so much, Lord. i love You with all that i am, now and forever. Amen.
God bless you, vulneris. please stay strong, please stay safe and please take care of yourself. please know that i will continue to pray this prayer every night, so please be sure to update us on how “nathan” is doing, alright? please take care, and know that if you ever need anything at all, i am always here and will always care, so please don’t ever hesitate to contact me.

love,
in the peace and love of Christ,
alison xx
 
Thank you, xalisonx. It’s truly touching to see such kind individuals who take time to pray for even those they have never met. I’ll try and keep you updated. (even showed him his thread) He scoffed, but I’ll keep working on him.
 
Vulneris said:
He scoffed, but I’ll keep working on him.
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The more you work on him, the farther he will become. I know, I’ve tried.

If you really care deeply for him, you will let him be. Just love him for all he is worth and deal with the fact that he has these abilities. I really think the more this upsets you, the more he will use it just to mess with your head–not out of spite, I don’t think, but for fun… I’d totally do that. 😉

But seriously, investing this much time in helping someone who doesn’t need–or desire–it is illogical.
 
Prayer always helps 🙂 even though it might take time to see the effects.
 
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