I'm Scared of Idolatory in the Church, After Seeing This?

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Catholics, in their regard for Mary as intercessor for Jesus, can sometimes become exubertant in their prayers and petitions, as you saw in this case. I don’t believe this woman believed the statue of Mary was the real deal but her posture of hugging and holding the statue certainly points to a fervent belief that Mary has the power to answer prayers.

And therein lies the problem. While Mary is much loved and respected within the Catholic church, many Catholics devotees to Mary fail to look upon Jesus the same way. While they may receive Him within the Holy Eucharist, they cannot seem to recognize Him outside of this sacrament. Mary, on the other hand, is readily available for these souls, for why not since the church allows her statues and devotions (Fatima, Lourdes, etc.) to be perpetuated? I cannot fault Catholics for their allegiance to Mary, however in the bible, Jesus repeatedly said, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” So, no matter how strong a person’s devotion to Mary, they have to eventually go to Jesus (not through Mary) in order to find salvation.

Man is spirit as well as body and soul and it is within your spirit that you felt the chills run down your back. Because you were confused when you witnessed this fervent display of prayer, your spirit was revealing the truth of the matter. Most people can be deceived as there are many out there wanting to lead the sheep astray, but when you begin listen to the inner voice of the spirit, (I mean the Holy Spirit guiding your spirit) you will be led to the truth.

God Bless
Mary, by her very nature, can do nothing save lead us to her Divine Son, Jesus. I have never met these mythical Catholics who turn to Mary but not to Our Lord. In my experience, anyone who has a strong devotion to Our Lady, has a most profound and deep personal relationship with Jesus Christ. In my experience, it is only Protestants who claim otherwise.
 
Quote:Sounds very sweet. Besides, how do you know that Mary isn’t using that image to commune with the woman?

Rather I would think Mary was using the incident much as Jesus used the distraught woman washing his feet. To open the eyes of the spectator and see if he could find the same love & warmth toward her as this dear simple-minded woman showed.

Why not try doing the same and see how you feel? Drop your preconceptions and insecurities. Mary can accept all-comers. In cases like this, always turn the mirror on yourself and ask what have I learned?
 
Mary, by her very nature, can do nothing save lead us to her Divine Son, Jesus. I have never met these mythical Catholics who turn to Mary but not to Our Lord.
I have. Not in person, but on message boards, I’ve read several posts in the past, especially on the old AOL forums, from Catholics, almost always woman and older ones, who just talk to Mary. They find her more personal and less intimidating. Some people don’t seem to be able to develop this kind of personal rapport with Jesus, His majesty is too intimidating.

It’s like the only time they pray to Jesus is when they pray the Rosary and say “O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy.”
 
I might kiss the picture of my mother, or even sigh and hold it to my chest- am I mistaking the photo for my mom?
 
Seriously? Haven’t you ever talked to a picture of a loved one? People talk “to” tombstones all the time when visiting cemetaries. Humans are multi-sensory beings. We use visual representations all the time to stand in for or symbolize other things. Unless you know for a fact that this woman believed the statue to be a god, nothing you described even sounds** close **to idolatry.
My thoughts exactly.
 
As a newer Catholic and convert from protestantism, I sometimes worry about this myself, i.e., over-devotion to Mary as opposed to Jesus. I get confused because I read where it says we don’t pray TO Mary and the saints but rather we ask them to pray FOR us, which makes sense, but then I read so many Catholic books and prayer guides that speak of praying TO Mary, etc. Do we or do we not pray TO Mary?

Also–I can see where people WOULD be tempted to run to Mary–who seems so gentle and understanding, and has a female viewpoint–while perhaps feeling a bit intimidated by God or Jesus’s majesty and might, and righteous anger, etc. SO they spend more time in devotion to Mary. But then…that hardly seems right. It’s very confusing to me.
 
As a newer Catholic and convert from protestantism, I sometimes worry about this myself, i.e., over-devotion to Mary as opposed to Jesus. I get confused because I read where it says we don’t pray TO Mary and the saints but rather we ask them to pray FOR us, which makes sense, but then I read so many Catholic books and prayer guides that speak of praying TO Mary, etc. Do we or do we not pray TO Mary?

Also–I can see where people WOULD be tempted to run to Mary–who seems so gentle and understanding, and has a female viewpoint–while perhaps feeling a bit intimidated by God or Jesus’s majesty and might, and righteous anger, etc. SO they spend more time in devotion to Mary. But then…that hardly seems right. It’s very confusing to me.
Think about it this way: prayer is really just talking (in relation to the saints). In the case of God, our prayer can also have adoration and worship attached, but in it’s simplest form, it’s simply just talking. Therefore, you’re free to pray both to Mary, and ask her to pray for you. 🙂
 
Catholics, in their regard for Mary as intercessor for Jesus, can sometimes become exubertant in their prayers and petitions, as you saw in this case. I don’t believe this woman believed the statue of Mary was the real deal but her posture of hugging and holding the statue certainly points to a fervent belief that Mary has the power to answer prayers.

And therein lies the problem. While Mary is much loved and respected within the Catholic church, many Catholics devotees to Mary fail to look upon Jesus the same way. While they may receive Him within the Holy Eucharist, they cannot seem to recognize Him outside of this sacrament.
I don’t think I’ve ever met a Catholic like this… the Saints were VERY devoted to Jesus and they were also VERY devoted to Mary 🙂 Mary leads us to Jesus. The way people can go wrong is to have some erroneous idea about Mary as if she is god or something, which would be against Catholic teaching. If someone turns to the real Mary, the way the Church teaches about her, all that would happen is she would lead them closer to Christ 🙂
Mary, on the other hand, is readily available for these souls, for why not since the church allows her statues and devotions (Fatima, Lourdes, etc.) to be perpetuated? I cannot fault Catholics for their allegiance to Mary, however in the bible, Jesus repeatedly said, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” So, no matter how strong a person’s devotion to Mary, they have to eventually go to Jesus (not through Mary) in order to find salvation.
We go to Jesus through Mary. It can’t be another way… because of the Incarnation. She is His Mother, He came to us through her. Also many sinners are converted because of her prayers.

Also, the Catholics I’ve met with the strongest devotion to Mary, they also have a very strong devotion to Jesus. And there are many devotions to Jesus like Eucharistic Adoration, Sacred Heart, Divine Mercy, Golden Arrow prayer, and other devotions like Lectio Divina, Liturgy of the Hours, etc. It’s not Jesus or Mary: we don’t have to choose between them: they are together… if we come to Mary, we would find Jesus near her, if we come to Jesus, well His Mother is with Him in Heaven.
As a newer Catholic and convert from protestantism, I sometimes worry about this myself, i.e., over-devotion to Mary as opposed to Jesus. I get confused because I read where it says we don’t pray TO Mary and the saints but rather we ask them to pray FOR us, which makes sense, but then I read so many Catholic books and prayer guides that speak of praying TO Mary, etc. Do we or do we not pray TO Mary?
There are prayers TO Mary but it’s understood that when we pray to her, she helps us by praying for us to God. She doesn’t help us on her own without God. Everything is done with His power and the Holy Spirit. Mary has a very close union to the Holy Spirit after all.
Also–I can see where people WOULD be tempted to run to Mary–who seems so gentle and understanding, and has a female viewpoint–while perhaps feeling a bit intimidated by God or Jesus’s majesty and might, and righteous anger, etc. SO they spend more time in devotion to Mary. But then…that hardly seems right. It’s very confusing to me.
I understand what you’re trying to say because I’m also a convert from Protestantism - but there really is no competition between Jesus and Mary 🙂 they are together. There’s an accepted private revelation to a lady named Myrna Nazzour (she’s Eastern Catholic) and much of it is about unity in the Church and Christianity - but at one point, Jesus told her: “My daughter, She is My Mother from whom I was born. He who honours Her, honours Me. He who denies Her, denies Me. And he who asks something from Her, obtains because She is My Mother.” soufanieh.com/menuenglish.htm

We can go to Mary simply because she’s our Mother, in any case Mary can help us come closer to Him 🙂 maybe it could help to read about the Saints.

God bless!
 
=kieron123;9751505]Hello Everyone,
Yesterday at church, a while before the evening mass started, I saw an older woman walking up to the Statue of Mary, which was at the side of the altar> She began hugging the statue while also holding one of its extended hands, and began talking to it.
I guess she was praying. But why hug and hold the hands of a statue? And furthermore talk to the statue? I know of the the rosary, prayers, and intercessions that saints can do for us. But a statue is just a statue, not the actual thing.
A chill went down my back after seeing this, it’s like all those Idolatory claims that protestants use against the catholic church just showed up in my face, (At least it appeared to be that way to me).
Is this something normal or am I just overeacting? (I could be paranoid sometimes, but I do not think what I saw was right). Correct me if im wrong.
Please advise,
Thanks.
My friend, there are more than One BILLION catholics in the World.

Devotion to MAry or this or that Saint is normal and to bexpected.

IMO; it’s not that Catholics hold Mary in “too high” of a position; e=rather that others
seem to ignore that she is “The One” [of billions of choices] God choose to be the Mother of the Inccrnate Son of God."

Then Jesus knowing well the human nature HE CREATED choose to make possible a closer realtionship with HIM; through HIS Mother; who He choose to share with all humanity.

John 19:25-27 “So the soldiers did this. But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Mag’dalene.
When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, "Woman, behold, your son!" Then he said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home”

John represents all of humaity The term “women” rather than “mother” indicates Christ WIll that she become and be accorded all the respect of “our mother.”

For many; 'God is a lofty and difficult; even scary" concept. Christ knowing this makes Mary available [not as a equal] but as the most perfect intercessor for those of us that
hold mothers in a special place in our hearts.🙂

God Bless,
Pat.
 
To the OP, please read the Catechism on the Relation of The Blessed Virgin to the Church. To those who seem to have “problems” with Marian Devotion, i might suggest that part of the problems we have, and continue to, expirience in the Church today can be blamed on the LOSS of devotion to Our Holy Mother.
 
The priest or deacon kisses the book of the Gospels after reading from it.

The certainly are not worshipping the Bible.

-Tim-
 
There are many strong opinions on this forum that are implying that what was witnessed was nothing more than a poor soul’s beseeching to Mary. My question then is this–are there any concrete examples where such devotion led to a relationship with Jesus? (if it is said that Mary leads the faithful to Jesus)

In other words at what point does devotion to Mary turn into devotion to Jesus? I am looking for an outward sign outside of communion where Catholics pray to Jesus the way they do to Mary.
 
I understand what you’re trying to say because I’m also a convert from Protestantism - but there really is no competition between Jesus and Mary 🙂 they are together. There’s an accepted private revelation to a lady named Myrna Nazzour (she’s Eastern Catholic) and much of it is about unity in the Church and Christianity - but at one point, Jesus told her: “My daughter, She is My Mother from whom I was born. He who honours Her, honours Me. He who denies Her, denies Me. And he who asks something from Her, obtains because She is My Mother.” soufanieh.com/menuenglish.htm

We can go to Mary simply because she’s our Mother, in any case Mary can help us come closer to Him 🙂 maybe it could help to read about the Saints.

God bless!
Thank you!
 
There are many strong opinions on this forum that are implying that what was witnessed was nothing more than a poor soul’s beseeching to Mary. My question then is this–are there any concrete examples where such devotion led to a relationship with Jesus? (if it is said that Mary leads the faithful to Jesus)

In other words at what point does devotion to Mary turn into devotion to Jesus? I am looking for an outward sign outside of communion where Catholics pray to Jesus the way they do to Mary.
For most Catholics, devotion to Mary doesn’t “turn into” devotion to Jesus but is at the same time. You make it sound like devotion to Mary is some kind of “training wheels” prayer. Each prayer to Mary helps us to model our love of Jesus on hers.
 
Probably true amongst the Hispanics and Poles as well. Perhaps it’s the accusation of “worshipping” Mary that makes the Anglophones especially sensitive about any attachment they might extend towards the Mother of God. But that might be a result of translating “colere” as “worship” instead of “honor” or “venerate” on one of the Church’s translated documents.
 
There are many strong opinions on this forum that are implying that what was witnessed was nothing more than a poor soul’s beseeching to Mary. My question then is this–are there any concrete examples where such devotion led to a relationship with Jesus? (if it is said that Mary leads the faithful to Jesus)
As already mentioned it usually does not occur that one comes to Mary first and then to Jesus. Of course I can only speak for my area, culture and background…
Most often I think Mary, as well as the other saints, are found to be useful by people who are overwhelmed by the Majesty of our Father and of Jesus our King. They seek another…someone more “approachable”…Mary - by virtue of her unique relationship to our King and her exemplary life is chief among these figures. So - we go to Mary as an example of how to live and how to love and this leads us into a closer relationship with our Lord.
In other words at what point does devotion to Mary turn into devotion to Jesus? I am looking for an outward sign outside of communion where Catholics pray to Jesus the way they do to Mary.
Not sure what you are asking here…Could you clarify?

Peace
James
 
In other words at what point does devotion to Mary turn into devotion to Jesus? I am looking for an outward sign outside of communion where Catholics pray to Jesus the way they do to Mary.
It doesn’t “turn into devotion to Jesus.” You make it sound like cabinet assembly instructions – first Step 1, then Step 2. I’m curious as to where you got that mistaken idea.
 
There are many strong opinions on this forum that are implying that what was witnessed was nothing more than a poor soul’s beseeching to Mary. My question then is this–are there any concrete examples where such devotion led to a relationship with Jesus? (if it is said that Mary leads the faithful to Jesus)
Yes… many. Such as the Saints. and I’m sure many people here. I’ve noticed that since I’ve been praying to Mary, she’s helped me in many ways with my relationship with Jesus, especially when I’m going wrong somehow and she helps me come back to right path, have more contrition, etc.
In other words at what point does devotion to Mary turn into devotion to Jesus? I am looking for an outward sign outside of communion where Catholics pray to Jesus the way they do to Mary.
Well like others have said, it’s not like first people ONLY pray to Mary and then they finally come to Jesus and they ONLY pray to Jesus then. People pray to both Jesus and Mary. They are together, again not in competition 🙂

I have known people who first prayed to Mary, being non Christians, and later entered the Church and got to know Jesus. But mostly, with people who are already Catholic, they pray to Jesus and Mary. And devotion to Mary helps to love Jesus more than they did previously: even if they already loved Him very sincerely. The Saints benefited by her prayers greatly, to become Saints.

As for an outward sign outside of Communion, well there is Adoration, because we believe it really is Jesus. Also you might find people venerating images of Jesus much like they venerate images of Mary. Have you ever heard of the Divine Mercy devotion? ewtn.com/devotionals/mercy/index.htm I’ve been to Divine Mercy celebrations on the Feast of Mercy and people venerated the Divine Mercy image (venerated, not worshipped). Eastern Catholics and Orthodox also venerate icons, and images have been used since the early Church. Also you might be interested in the Sacred Heart devotion. sacredheartdevotion.com/ ewtn.com/devotionals/heart/meditation.htm

God bless!
 
Hello Everyone,

Yesterday at church, a while before the evening mass started, I saw an older woman walking up to the Statue of Mary, which was at the side of the altar> She began hugging the statue while also holding one of its extended hands, and began talking to it.

I guess she was praying. But why hug and hold the hands of a statue? And furthermore talk to the statue? I know of the the rosary, prayers, and intercessions that saints can do for us. But a statue is just a statue, not the actual thing.

A chill went down my back after seeing this, it’s like all those Idolatory claims that protestants use against the catholic church just showed up in my face, (At least it appeared to be that way to me).

Is this something normal or am I just overeacting? (I could be paranoid sometimes, but I do not think what I saw was right). Correct me if im wrong.

Please advise,
Thanks.
Well, I’ve known non-Catholics to kiss Bibles, hug them close, almost caress them…do you think they they are engaged in idolatry? I seriously doubt the woman thought the statue was God, a god or Mary…But maybe she needed some sort of physical contact…
 
Something I heard in a homily yesterday.
Just as ‘at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow’, so at the name of Mary, the demons tremble.
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