I'm so sneaky

[johntkd]

I think all the wives are breathing a big sigh of relief that our hubbys are not you!!!:tsktsk: :banghead:

trust me I have been highly enlightened on this particular post and am also glad I am not married to someone that would deliberatly do something to me without my consent,

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…oh and "no means no" really does not apply in this situation…come on relly…geesh

why because Its a woman doing something to a man?

LilyM:

Tell me what you’d do if you had a child (or a university student wife for that matter) who said she didn’t want to fail school but was unreasonably refusing to do the studying she needed to pass? If you truly had her good at heart, you’d not just sit around and say ‘oh well, she said she didn’t want to do her study and no means no’ - you’d darn well MAKE her do it!

tell her to do it yes, you cant really make anyone do anything, BUT I WOULDNT do her homework for her, using this sample you used that is what the OP did,

sorry I know this isnt hard drugs or anything like that BUT he said No, thats good enough what she did is as she calls it sneaky, but also extremely deceitful, would she be upset if he went and bought a car cause thiers was “getting old” and causing some problems and she had said no and he did it anyways?
you can dress this up anyways you want to make yourselves look like you really care, if you truely cared you wouldnt be so sneaky and deceitful you would care about how the other person feels.and actually HONOR thier request…

P.S. This isnt a child we are talking about anyways the OP just calls him a child says he is acting like a child etc simply because he dont feel as she does about things and that is where the issue comes in anyways its about a power trip for OP she wants him to take the supplement and by golly he better do as she says, the insults towards him prove that as well, she just needs to remember she is NOT his mother NOt his keeper anymore than he is Hers.

everyone keeps mentioning “trust issues” to me yes I have them even more so now, and whats not to trust about a situation such as this, the man said no he had his reasons no matter how lame or bad they may seem he had his reasons,NO IS NO

 

[Ray_Scheel]

johntkd: I very highly doubt that either of the ingredients of unflavored Metamucil - sucrose (table sugar) or psyllium husk (a soluble fiber commonly lumped with whole oats or barley as a soluble fiber source) - will be found to be cancerous anytime soon, and a quick survey indicates that both can be found either in particular recipes for smoothies or on lists of things to add to enhance the result one way or another. Any reasonable person accepting a smoothie will expect that some sort of health food has been foisted upon them, including a health supplement in a smoothie is not at all uncommon, judging by the signs I see at the smoothie retailers doing so is common, even expected, in the industry.

 

[Polaris]

I do have to say that the woman that support another woman for being sneaky does scare me, that and the comparing of husbands to the same thing as a child. I am so glad my wife saw me as an equal and respected me and my thoughts. I wish more people here had that concept.

 

[tomch]

I know when i went to have a simple knee surgery done I wewnt thru a hornedous amount of surgeons to find one thet didnt want to add morphine to the spinal…

Okay… maybe they didn’t add morphine, but did you check to make sure that they didn’t add any Metamucil to the spinal?

This thread reminds me of a parody commercial that I saw on Saturday Night Live - for “Super Colon Blow” breakfast cereal. What a classic!

BTW… my wife puts interesting things in my food all the time. It’s because she REFUSES to wear glasses, but is practically blind without them. Yum, Yum!!

 

[mariam1976]

Okay… maybe they didn’t add morphine, but did you check to make sure that they didn’t add any Metamucil to the spinal?

This thread reminds me of a parody commercial that I saw on Saturday Night Live - for “Super Colon Blow” breakfast cereal. What a classic!

BTW… my wife puts interesting things in my food all the time. It’s because she REFUSES to wear glasses, but is practically blind without them. Yum, Yum!!

that was the funniest post!!! glad to know you enjoy her recipes so much!!!

 

[johntkd]

johntkd: I very highly doubt that either of the ingredients of unflavored Metamucil - sucrose (table sugar) or psyllium husk (a soluble fiber commonly lumped with whole oats or barley as a soluble fiber source) - will be found to be cancerous anytime soon, and a quick survey indicates that both can be found either in particular recipes for smoothies or on lists of things to add to enhance the result one way or another. Any reasonable person accepting a smoothie will expect that some sort of health food has been foisted upon them, including a health supplement in a smoothie is not at all uncommon, judging by the signs I see at the smoothie retailers doing so is common, even expected, in the industry.

hey Ill be honest here i have no clue what a smoothie even is.
I am just against someone doing somehting to another human being that they already said NO to, and no matter how they dress this issue up to make themselves look good the end does not justify the means.
In all fairness this is actually lieing to a person, he accepted the smoothie under the assumtion it was normal and not spiked with something he had already refused,if this were me i would prolly be going to confession before taking communion again…

 

[johntkd]

Okay… maybe they didn’t add morphine, but did you check to make sure that they didn’t add any Metamucil to the spinal?

This thread reminds me of a parody commercial that I saw on Saturday Night Live - for “Super Colon Blow” breakfast cereal. What a classic!

BTW… my wife puts interesting things in my food all the time. It’s because she REFUSES to wear glasses, but is practically blind without them. Yum, Yum!!

well wait till she sleeping and have an eye doctor come in and fix her eyes, ( joke by the way)
and actually after I had the surgery which was 130 miles from where i lived I stopped on way home and had a drug test done
so yes I was paranoid lol

 

[tomch]

well wait till she sleeping and have an eye doctor come in and fix her eyes, ( joke by the way)

I LOVE it!! I never would have thought of this myself. Heh, heh…

 

[Syele]

hey Ill be honest here i have no clue what a smoothie even is.
I am just against someone doing somehting to another human being that they already said NO to, and no matter how they dress this issue up to make themselves look good the end does not justify the means.
In all fairness this is actually lieing to a person, he accepted the smoothie under the assumtion it was normal and not spiked with something he had already refused,if this were me i would prolly be going to confession before taking communion again…

LOL This thread has given me a new perspective. to think I took break from ther apologetics stuff for a week or so because people were being hostile. I see it’s not just apologetics. LOL

johntkd, you should research things before you freak out. Smoothies ARE health foods. If I presented you with a “Spinach Casserole” and it happened to have cheese in it… am I lying cause it had something other than Spinach? No, cheese is a common ingredient in Spinach Casserole. Fiber, Wheat germ, fruit, and even some really weird organic stuff are all common ingredients in smoothies. It’s even common to have a smoothie with weight loss drugs in them! (I used to buy Smoothies for the purpose of weight loss.) Do you always ask for lists of ingredients in all your food before eating it?

I could see it as lying if he asked her “Did you spike my smoothie with old peoples fiber?” and she said no. Otherwise… Why should she have told him?

 

[johntkd]

LOL This thread has given me a new perspective. to think I took break from ther apologetics stuff for a week or so because people were being hostile. I see it’s not just apologetics. LOL

johntkd, you should research things before you freak out. Smoothies ARE health foods. If I presented you with a “Spinach Casserole” and it happened to have cheese in it… am I lying cause it had something other than Spinach? No, cheese is a common ingredient in Spinach Casserole. Fiber, Wheat germ, fruit, and even some really weird organic stuff are all common ingredients in smoothies. It’s even common to have a smoothie with weight loss drugs in them! (I used to buy Smoothies for the purpose of weight loss.) Do you always ask for lists of ingredients in all your food before eating it?

I could see it as lying if he asked her “Did you spike my smoothie with old peoples fiber?” and she said no. Otherwise… Why should she have told him?

thats the whole point he had already said a positive NO to the fiber supplement he didnt say well we will see and he didnt dsay maybe he said NO and I stand on NO Means NO in all situations in all cases there are no exceptions EVER, I teach that to my karate students, to my self defense students, to youths when i do seminars for schools, girl scouts etc,
the word NEVER ever means anything else.

I just hope he dont blow a gasket like i would when he finds out.
I hope i am the extreme person but I know i am not the only person in this world that dont want to be deceived, be lied to and have my dignity trampled on by a spouse, the person you marry is supposed to respect you, honor you and cherish you, as you are supposed to do to them.

 

[wifenmommy]

…it is FIBER FIBER FIBER!!! IT IS AN INGREDIENT!!! …chill out, I hate to see how you respond to REAL issues!

 

[system]

thats the whole point he had already said a positive NO to the fiber supplement he didnt say well we will see and he didnt dsay maybe he said NO and I stand on NO Means NO in all situations in all cases there are no exceptions EVER, I teach that to my karate students, to my self defense students, to youths when i do seminars for schools, girl scouts etc,
the word NEVER ever means anything else.

I just hope he dont blow a gasket like i would when he finds out.
I hope i am the extreme person but I know i am not the only person in this world that dont want to be deceived, be lied to and have my dignity trampled on by a spouse, the person you marry is supposed to respect you, honor you and cherish you, as you are supposed to do to them.

John - you’re alright. You’ve got standards. We’re talking about a thread entitled “I’m so sneaky”. When a woman is proud of that - the conversation is not going to go very well. Other people also voiced their opinions about treating each other as equal adults…it’s just not everyone is getting it.

 

[LilyM]

hey Ill be honest here i have no clue what a smoothie even is.
I am just against someone doing somehting to another human being that they already said NO to, and no matter how they dress this issue up to make themselves look good the end does not justify the means.
In all fairness this is actually lieing to a person, he accepted the smoothie under the assumtion it was normal and not spiked with something he had already refused,if this were me i would prolly be going to confession before taking communion again…

It’s simple. I am going to make sure that those I love are physically healthy, full stop. It’s my job and obligation as a spouse, daughter, mother. If they’re stupid enough not to want themselves to be in good health, and refuse to follow doctor’s instructions to maintain their health, tough. I’d rather they be healthy and alive longer and not necessarily like me than coddle their egos and let them compromise their health.

You know sometimes people who, for example, have a mental illness and are neglecting to take the necessary medication or other treatment can be forcibly put in hospital and made to do so? What’s good for you is a priority over what you want, pure and simple.

And be fair to v - she’s made every effort to get her husband to do the right thing for himself. He refuses, irrationally, which means SHE suffers because of his poor choices as well.

 

[Ray_Scheel]

thats the whole point he had already said a positive NO to the fiber supplement he didnt say well we will see and he didnt dsay maybe he said NO and I stand on NO Means NO in all situations in all cases there are no exceptions EVER, I teach that to my karate students, to my self defense students, to youths when i do seminars for schools, girl scouts etc,
the word NEVER ever means anything else.

Are you seriously saying his no should be extended to ever again offering him any combination of soluble fiber and sugar in a manner that might help resolve his gastric issues (issues that are disrupting his entire household by his refusal to treat directly), even in forms entirely dissimilar to the mixing instructions for Metamucil (that is, the form in which he did say no to that combination)?

 

[system]

And be fair to v - she’s made every effort to get her husband to do the right thing for himself. He refuses, irrationally, which means SHE suffers because of his poor choices as well.

Which is where “for better or for worse” should be the motto. Countless spouses suffer from the poor choices of their spouse, why does that make deceit something to aspire to and be proud of?

What’s good for you is a priority over what you want, pure and simple.

That’s seems appropriate, until adulthood.

God’s greatest gift to humans is free will - to do good, bad, or whatever. I’m amazed at the amount of fellow humans who want to take that away from the person they married.

 

[johntkd]

What’s good for you is a priority over what you want, pure and simple.
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Ok do we tell that to people whom are told by a Dr to abort thier unborn child because it could kill them. after all a DR told them they need to do this so they should go against a Drs orders now shoudl they and its already been told its good for them…

on that note where do we as a whole draw the line…

 

[LilyM]

Which is where “for better or for worse” should be the motto. Countless spouses suffer from the poor choices of their spouse, why does that make deceit something to aspire to and be proud of?

For better or worse means flood, earthquake, stockmarket crash or being run over by a truck. Doesn’t mean you’re obliged to sit there and watch your loved one neglect themselves. For mine the obligation of a spouse is to take all legal and non-sinful measures to improve their spouse’s lot, will they or nill they!

Certainly ‘better or worse’ doesn’t mean a spouse is obliged to put up with whatever their loved one does. That’s why the church acknowledges the regrettable necessity of civil separation or divorce for some couples.

No, I don’t think being sneaky is something to aspire to or be proud of. And I don’t think v is in that sense. Certainly she gave honest and open means a fair try and her husband is inflicting suffering on her by his unreasonableness.

I do think as a last resort it can sometimes be legitimate.

That’s seems appropriate, until adulthood.

You stop loving and caring someone and doing what you can to make their life better the second they turn eighteen?

What happened to ‘love your neighbour (let alone your husband) as yourself’? Doesn’t that involve caring about them enough to do what’s best for them, even if they don’t like it? I would hope people care enough about me to do so!

 

[Syele]

thats the whole point he had already said a positive NO to the fiber supplement he didnt say well we will see and he didnt dsay maybe he said NO and I stand on NO Means NO in all situations in all cases there are no exceptions EVER, I teach that to my karate students, to my self defense students, to youths when i do seminars for schools, girl scouts etc,
the word NEVER ever means anything else.

I just hope he dont blow a gasket like i would when he finds out.
I hope i am the extreme person but I know i am not the only person in this world that dont want to be deceived, be lied to and have my dignity trampled on by a spouse, the person you marry is supposed to respect you, honor you and cherish you, as you are supposed to do to them.

Interesting. As a rape victim myself I quite understand people should have the power to say no to something… However you seem to be skipping some of the facts here:

1. He said NO to Metamucil because it’s “an old peoples drug” not to all fiber.
2. He DID want to get rid of his Constipation
3. She gave him a smoothie with one ingredient that was fiber - Just like most other smoothies.

How far should a NO to Metamucil go? Metamucil is a form of fiber so no fiber ever? No vegetables? Are vegetables an old peoples drug? Where do you stop?

You have to consider the circumstances. I hate Cottage Cheese, If someone offered me some, I’d say no! However I have no objection to cottage cheese when cooked in a Lasagna. Should a person who knows I like Lasagna but hate Cottage cheese refuse to let me have Lasagna forever now… cause I said no to proffered cottage Cheese?

 

[LilyM]

Ok do we tell that to people whom are told by a Dr to abort thier unborn child because it could kill them. after all a DR told them they need to do this so they should go against a Drs orders now shoudl they and its already been told its good for them…

on that note where do we as a whole draw the line…

We get a second opinion in the matter of something as serious as an abortion first of all. And we realise there’s an additional party involved too - the unborn child - who has status as an actual or potential human being and who needs to be considered.

In this case all parties have expressed their opinion, which is fine. A manifestly unreasonable attitude that effects both of them has less weight, I’m sorry. I fail to see why it should be given equal weight.

And we recognise that slipping a harmless fibre supplement into someone’s food or drink is nowhere near any line except in your own warped mind.

We all, on many occasions, eat food prepared by others than ourselves. It’s always a risk to do so. You assume that risk when you take the offered food.

After all, you never ever know what the baker might put into your bread or the Mickey D’s into your burger (how many of us honestly take the time to ask or to read the labels thoroughly?) and what effect it may end up having on you.

 

[rayne89]

I don’t agree with treating a spouse like a child. I do believe in doing what is in the best interest of my spouse even if he doesn’t like it (and I would hope my husband would do the same.) I guess because I’ve been married to my hubby for so long, I know when a “no” is the kind of no that would make him feel betrayed and when it’s not.

I remember a fight we did get into probably within the first couple years of marriage. Some how we got on the discussion of organ transplant. He told me he would never want one. I asked him why and he couldn’t give me any rational explanation. His father felt that way about transplant and I think he just passed it on to his son. I told him I’m sorry if you were in an incompassitated state and it were left up to me I would have them do the transplant. He was quite annoyed with me. I was like I’m sorry I’m not going to let you die because of some silly irrational notion you have about transplant. If it was against his religion or he had some logical reason I could honor that but not some vague feeling of not liking the idea. Just like this “Metamucil is for old people” ridiculousness. My hubby has since changed his mind on the whole transplant thing. The ironic thing is I will be the one needing a transplant in the near future.

My husband worked with a guy whose wife had diabetes -she was doing very poorly. He told my husband she wouldn’t give herself her insulin shots. My husband got very irratated with this guy he said “If my wife needed shots and she wouldn’t do it I’d sit on her and do it myself if I had to.” (Thank God!) He hates needles by the way. Unfortunately this guy’s wife died less than a year later because he wouldn’t make his wife take her medication.

I have the feeling John has had some serious betrayal in the past and the idea that someone would do anything without his consent is very scary. My hubby knows I love him more than anything. I’d never want to hurt him. He trusts me. If there was a serious objection because he felt it was immoral or against his religion (not going to happen anymore since we’re both Catholic now), something like that ofcourse I would honor that.