I'm so sneaky

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ahh but you see this is where this whole things takes a turn, because the man said NO to it originally it becomes “spiked”
because she knew he didnt want it yet plotted the whole thing out to the point she scrambbled when he left the room to add it,
if it was so harmless the way she did it and with so much love why not add it in front of him,

because SHE SPIKED it
Rubbish. Whether or not he knew about it makes her sneaky, sure, possibly wrong, but it doesn’t make what she added a legal or illegal drug, it remains a food product. If the additive is not a drug, what happened cannot be said to be spiking. Learn the proper meaning of words if you’re going to use them.
 
I understand that and to me its wrong to serve you something you didnt want, if they had told you before you ate it then no problem
I wouldn’t have tried it if she had told me it was made with elk. The thing is I did want it, I just didn’t know that I did. Plus, what was the worst that would have happened? If I tried it and didn’t like it, it’s not like my aunt would have forced me to eat it. She succeeded though in making it appealing to me.

Vluvski went to the effort of making something that was both healthy and enjoyable for her husband. Bravo for her.
 
Rubbish. Whether or not he knew about it makes her sneaky, sure, possibly wrong, but it doesn’t make what she added a legal or illegal drug, it remains a food product. If the additive is not a drug, what happened cannot be said to be spiking. Learn the proper meaning of words if you’re going to use them.
actually in all 50 states what she did is a felony if he was to press charges because he said no to it, and proper legal terminology is spiked you need to learn proper meaning if you going to tell someone they are wrong.
I happened to ask a lawyer friend of mine yesterday about this,
he actually said it gets seen in the courts several times a year as a matter of fact…
 
actually in all 50 states what she did is a felony if he was to press charges because he said no to it, and proper legal terminology is spiked you need to learn proper meaning if you going to tell someone they are wrong.
I happened to ask a lawyer friend of mine yesterday about this,
he actually said it gets seen in the courts several times a year as a matter of fact…
To add fibre supplements to food is a felony? Then, to quote Charles Dickens, “the law is an a*s”
 
i WILL PUT THIS IN BOLD BEING AS i HAVE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION YOU JUST CHOOSE TO NOT READ THE ENTIRE POST… i CANT IMAGINE WHY YOU ARE SO STUCK ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT UNDERSTAND THIS IF YOU CAN
I have read your posts, and responded to many of them in detail, only for you to totally abandon one claim or “extreme example” after another just to pick up an new, equally unreasonable claim when your prior one was questioned. “Yelling” the exact same thing you have been saying does not clarify what you’ve been saying at all, especially when you are carefully avoiding giving a straight answer to a fairly simple yes or no question (that is, you still haven’t answered the question posed):

Yes or no: Is your position is that a person saying “no” to one particular preparation of not uncommon food ingredients should be taken to mean they should never again be presented that ingredient in any other preparation without warning, even if they had previously eaten those same ingredients in different presentations without complaint or comment?

To me, saying no to (for instance) drinking a suspension of wheat bran in sugar water does not even come close to meaning I need the additional presence of wheat bran in banana bread declared in advance if its known that I tolerate creative cooking on a regular basis and am not extraordinarily sensitive to that substance. That kind of restrictive need for exhaustive clarification once you have expressed any doubt about something may be a need you have made clear to your associates to which they have accommodated, but that accommodation to you in no way obliges the rest of the world to do so even where it is not necessary to either of the parties involved.
Now can you give me a good reason why you didnt read any of my entire posts??? and then chose to try and run me down without doing just that reading…msg #92 on page 7 answered your question and now i have answered it yet again
Actually, you TOTALLY IGNORED my response to your post #92. Completely. Didn’t address a single one of the glaring logical or factual I (or anyone else) pointed out that was in that post. It is in fact a perfect example of the wild claims you’ve been repeatedly making and walking away from when they didn’t work just to try again without stopping to think through what people have been saying to you about those examples through this entire thread.

Plus, you didn’t actually answer the question there either since we already know that when dealing with you that anything that might remotely impact you needs to be declared and cleared with you in advance without exception. Though what you require is a good example of the accommodations that might have to me made in that regard, it not necessarily a guide to what the general rule should be, especially contrasted to the universal obligation one spouse has to seek to preserve the health of the other.
the word “spiked” comes from the fact she herself admits to being sneaky about it, she dont normally add that to a smoothie, this was the first time for her so its "spiked"
In the context of offering a smoothie to someone who did not require any new ingredients to be declared in advance and was known to tolerate creative cooking (that is, most people other than you), if she’d added grapes for the first time would you call it “spiked” as well"? mango? plums? pears? whole oat flour? wheat bran? Just to clarify your previous connotations, are of these food substances in the same category as drugs or poison to you in general use?

But speaking of reading prior posts, through this entire thread you’ve been pointedly ignoring that the OP mentioned in post #8 that her DH knew she frequently doctored his recipes and that he took it in stride. Even after you had been reminded of that, you keep on insisting that it is morally wrong for people to have a different level of tolerance in creative food preparation than you do. You are effectively trying to control everyone else by insisting they follow the same protocols with each other that you have created for people dealing with you - that is not the way boundaries work. It is unfortunate that you psychologically require that level of control of your surroundings, and although I am glad you have reached a balance point in your life that works for you in your relationships, that isn’t going to be a balance point that works for most people. Simply insisting everyone should do it your way without exception just because you said so is quite presumptuous and is going to alienate many people unnecessarily. You simply can’t demand that everyone be like you.
 
I wouldn’t have tried it if she had told me it was made with elk. The thing is I did want it, I just didn’t know that I did. Plus, what was the worst that would have happened? If I tried it and didn’t like it, it’s not like my aunt would have forced me to eat it. She succeeded though in making it appealing to me.

Vluvski went to the effort of making something that was both healthy and enjoyable for her husband. Bravo for her.
you know after reading all the posts giving this woman a high five for being sneaky and not honoring the word NO I can see why so many rapists also get off, people just dont get what the word NO really means… Unless they are the ones saying it.
 
I happened to ask a lawyer friend of mine yesterday about this, he actually said it gets seen in the courts several times a year as a matter of fact.
This is a gross abuse of the legal system. What a waste of resources!
 
you know after reading all the posts giving this woman a high five for being sneaky and not honoring the word NO I can see why so many rapists also get off, people just dont get what the word NO really means… Unless they are the ones saying it.
How did I know that you would say that? That is why I added the bit about not being forced to eat it.

If a wife says she is not in the mood, but her husband makes a nice candlelight dinner, gives her a back rub…and she finds herself in the mood, is that rape? No, that is putting in some effort to get to a yes.
 
you know after reading all the posts giving this woman a high five for being sneaky and not honoring the word NO I can see why so many rapists also get off, people just dont get what the word NO really means… Unless they are the ones saying it.
Another example of irrelevant comparison of fiber supplements to behavior that is morally wrong and legally wrong.🤷

Catholics acknowledge that certain conditions can limit culpability when a person commits a grave sin. The CCC specifically mentions habit, immaturity, and mental illness, which would include anxiety. In the same way, certain conditions (in my husband’s case, anxiety and immaturity) can limit a person’s ability to assess a yes or no situation on a sound mental level. He was irrationally opposed to ingesting fiber supplements, yet he acknowledged the need to increase his fiber consumption.

In these cases, a NO does not mean no, but Help me get over my irrational disposition toward X. I happen to know my husband well enough to be able to recognize the difference in his preferences.
 
I have read your posts, and responded to many of them in detail, only for you to totally abandon one claim or “extreme example” after another just to pick up an new, equally unreasonable claim when your prior one was questioned. “Yelling” the exact same thing you have been saying does not clarify what you’ve been saying at all, especially when you are carefully avoiding giving a straight answer to a fairly simple yes or no question (that is, you still haven’t answered the question posed):

Yes or no: Is your position is that a person saying “no” to one particular preparation of not uncommon food ingredients should be taken to mean they should never again be presented that ingredient in any other preparation without warning, even if they had previously eaten those same ingredients in different presentations without complaint or comment?

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I will address the first part of this post as i didnt read the rest because you still didnt get it, gee honey the dr says you need more fiber ere have some metamucile! husband NO I wont Take metamucile its for old people and i am not old.

so metamucile should never again be tried to be given is that the answer you are looking for?

heres an example also

Ok honey the Dr says you need more fiber here I bought some high fiber organic bread and made some oatmeal cookies that are naturlaly high in fiber BUT I did not add anything extra from a bottle…

husband thank you dear mmmmmm delicious!

I still stand on what I have been saying all along he said NO that means NO it means he shouldnt have to worry about being duped into eating what he didnt want by a certified sneak, Because she takes it upon herself to be the dictator of the marriage.marriage is 50/50
and If i was in same shoes I wouldnt be able to ever trust her again and would leave. no question…

this time its fiber what is it next time?

I didnt want the fiber but was given it in a very sneaky way next time i say i dont want something i have to go eat and drink elsewhere cause i just know it will be in anything she makes maybe even just put into the milk or meat or whatever else is in the fridge its not even safe to use anything at home anymore if its been in the house

thats my point

nothing you can ever say or do will ever make me see that the word NO means anything else…

will address the rest of your response after this one
 
How did I know that you would say that? That is why I added the bit about not being forced to eat it.

If a wife says she is not in the mood, but her husband makes a nice candlelight dinner, gives her a back rub…and she finds herself in the mood, is that rape? No, that is putting in some effort to get to a yes.
I agree with you 100% on that, now lets change it just a smidgeon he waits till she is asleep then proceeds thats not effort is it? he already knew she said no yet he did it anyways when she was “vulnerable”

Just as wrong to me as Doctoring food
 
This is a gross abuse of the legal system. What a waste of resources!
I agree with that as well I never said I agrred with it being pursued in the legal system there are bogus court cases all the time, I am sure these are mostly being tried out during a divorce
probably for leverage or child custody…

I want to add something to this post right now cause it seems to be getting heated up by a lot of us…

** had he never said no to the supplement its no big deal. just as everyone says an added spice, kick etc, the problem comes in strictly because he said NO.**
His freedom of “choice” was taken away from him on this, God himself gives us Freedom of "choice"
if we choose wrong we have to pay for that, But he never forces us or tricks us. we get wake up calls but we still have our choice. that is what this is about.
 
I agree with you 100% on that, now lets change it just a smidgeon he waits till she is asleep then proceeds thats not effort is it? he already knew she said no yet he did it anyways when she was “vulnerable”

Just as wrong to me as Doctoring food
She didn’t pour the smoothie down his throat while he was sleeping. She offerred it to him.
 
The charity level has declined in this thread. It is now closed. Some of you may need to review the charity expectations for CAF here.
 
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