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my church is a little older fashioned. you know, vaulted ceiling, pillars, statues, the works. but i heard that the vatican passed something that basiccaly stated: “if a church of that type should be burnt down and needed to be rebuilt, it has to be modern architecture.”

is this true? and if so, why?

thanks.
 
coleraine said:
my church is a little older fashioned. you know, vaulted ceiling, pillars, statues, the works. but i heard that the vatican passed something that basiccaly stated: “if a church of that type should be burnt down and needed to be rebuilt, it has to be modern architecture.”

is this true? and if so, why?

thanks.
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Never heard of that…:confused:

Doesn’t sound right to me…

But I would guess it is to conserve the huge amounts of money and labor that would be needed for the restoration of some of these old churches.
 
coleraine said:
my church is a little older fashioned. you know, vaulted ceiling, pillars, statues, the works. but i heard that the vatican passed something that basiccaly stated: “if a church of that type should be burnt down and needed to be rebuilt, it has to be modern architecture.”

is this true? and if so, why?

thanks.
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I’m just curious where you heard this?? And I would have to agree, being in construction myself, that to replicate what you describe would require quite a large collection basket…teachccd 🙂
 
coleraine said:
my church is a little older fashioned. you know, vaulted ceiling, pillars, statues, the works. but i heard that the vatican passed something that basiccaly stated: “if a church of that type should be burnt down and needed to be rebuilt, it has to be modern architecture.”

is this true? and if so, why?

thanks.
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do you have a source for this remarkable statement? “I heard” is not an authorotative source. do you have some particular reason for considering this a moral issue and posting in this forum?
 
puzzleannie said:
do you have a source for this remarkable statement? “I heard” is not an authorotative source. do you have some particular reason for considering this a moral issue and posting in this forum?
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im not sure why its in morals. i didnt mean to put it here. if you guys know a mod, i guess tell them to move it. anyway, my mom told me. she just said that she heard it. so its probably not true. i just need to know because for some reason, i about puke thinking about having mass in a modern style church.
 
coleraine said:
im not sure why its in morals. i didnt mean to put it here. if you guys know a mod, i guess tell them to move it. anyway, my mom told me. she just said that she heard it. so its probably not true. i just need to know because for some reason, i about puke thinking about having mass in a modern style church.
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ya i would too,lol.
Some modern churches look…protestant. Some like who knows what!!! But no…only a liberal Bishop would say that, not the Vatican.
 
coleraine said:
“if a church of that type should be burnt down and needed to be rebuilt, it has to be modern architecture.”
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The Catholic Church has no definition (or requirement) for “modern architecture.” However, it** is true** that all new church construction must be in accord with *current *Canon Law.

If a particular church building is destroyed, it looses its dedication or blessing:
Sacred places lose their dedication or blessing if they have been destroyed in large part (Code of Canon Law, #1212)
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So any “rebuilding” constitutes new construction, and must adhere to *current *Canon Law (and Canon Law may, and does, and should change from time to time, as opposed to doctrine, which may never change).

So if your “traditional” church were to be destroyed, it must be rebuilt according to *current *Canon Law. However, there is nothing in Canon Law which forbids “vaulted ceiling, pillars, or statues.” In fact, Canon Law says:
Only those things which serve the exercise or promotion of worship, piety, or religion are permitted in a sacred place; anything not consonant with the holiness of the place is forbidden (Canon #1210)
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I see nothing in this (or any other) Canon which forbids the architectural motifs you describe. Of course, all church construction is (rightly, for better or for worse) subject to the approval of the Bishop, who may have his own preferences.

You may find the complete Code of Canon Law at the Vatican’s website here: vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM
coleraine said:
i about puke thinking about having mass in a modern style church.
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While some liturgical settings are more preferable to me than others, I am humbly overjoyed to receive the Body and Blood of My Lord Jesus Christ in ANY sort of building, without any feelings of sickness whatsoever.
 
coleraine said:
my church is a little older fashioned. you know, vaulted ceiling, pillars, statues, the works. but i heard that the vatican passed something that basiccaly stated: “if a church of that type should be burnt down and needed to be rebuilt, it has to be modern architecture.”

is this true? and if so, why?

thanks.
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The USCCB has a document that outlines current church architecture. Any new church would need to comply with this document. It’s called Art and Architecture or something like that.I’ve looked at the document but never studied it, I’m sure it does not specificly prohibit what you discribe but may not encourage it either.
 
Br.Rich_SFO said:
The USCCB has a document that outlines current church architecture. Any new church would need to comply with this document. It’s called Art and Architecture
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or something like that.I’ve looked at the document but never studied it, I’m sure it does not specifically prohibit what you describe but may not encourage it either.So, as is generally the case, within those guidelines a parish can pretty well go with what they like and can afford, right?

BTW, I can’t find that document.
 
Church_Militant said:
So, as is generally the case, within those guidelines a parish can pretty well go with what they like and can afford, right?

BTW, I can’t find that document.
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That may not be the specific name. As I have said before I use paper mostly and I’m not in a position where I can get to the document at this time. I’m not sure how you would find it on the internet.
 
coleraine said:
just need to know because for some reason, i about puke thinking about having mass in a modern style church.
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if we are governed by such emotions we need immediate and intensive catechesis on the nature of Mass and the Eucharist, because we have clearly missed the whole point. Hope you never have occasion to celebrate in an open field, as Polish workers did with Bp. Wotyla because civil authorities refused to allow them to build a church, or on a battlefield, or standing in an onion field with migrant workers as the priest uses the tailgate of a truck for an altar.

If the idea of receiving the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord and Savior sickens you, the underlying problem is not church architecture, but much deeper.
 
puzzleannie said:
if we are governed by such emotions we need immediate and intensive catechesis on the nature of Mass and the Eucharist, because we have clearly missed the whole point. Hope you never have occasion to celebrate in an open field, as Polish workers did with Bp. Wotyla because civil authorities refused to allow them to build a church, or on a battlefield, or standing in an onion field with migrant workers as the priest uses the tailgate of a truck for an altar.

If the idea of receiving the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord and Savior sickens you, the underlying problem is not church architecture, but much deeper.
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God certainly thought that art and architecture in His house was very important in the Old Testament. I don’t see why we should consider it less important. The point is honoring and glorifying God as much as we are able.
 
coleraine said:
my church is a little older fashioned. you know, vaulted ceiling, pillars, statues, the works. but i heard that the vatican passed something that basiccaly stated: “if a church of that type should be burnt down and needed to be rebuilt, it has to be modern architecture.”

is this true? and if so, why?

thanks.
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Quit the opposite. I think most of us are fed up with modernism in all areas.
 
i would like to apologize if i was disrespectfull about new churches. i just meant that i would feel so uncomfortable in a modern church…i wouldnt know what to do. i didnt mean to bash new style churchs, im sorry.

-coleraine
 
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