I'm surprised Mormons don't pray for the dead

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The Mormons believe that after a person dies, they will still have the opportunity to receive their gospel in the next life. I’m surprised Mormons don’t pray for their dead relatives and the rest of humanity to accept their gospel. I know they attend the temple for them, but it would seem they would also be asking the Spirit to enlighten their dead so they would receive their gospel.
 
we have missionaries in the spirit world who do all the teaching and explaining. Most people are already happy there anyways. They don’t have to worry about food, hunger, sickness or any worldly thing like that.
 
I think its the other way around. I’m sure people in the spirit world are praying for family members and people down here in this crazy world. Praying that we don’t mess up and praying we’ll be protected from danger or what not.
 
falisrm said:
I think its the other way around. I’m sure people in the spirit world are praying for family members and people down here in this crazy world. Praying that we don’t mess up and praying we’ll be protected from danger or what not.
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Agreed, as that as what we do when we ask Saints to intercede for us…pray for us.

And we pray for them.

So the question remains, why would you not pray for your dead? Even if you believe there are ethereal spirits doing missionary work…don’t you pray for your missionaries here and those they are teaching?
 
falisrm said:
I think its the other way around. I’m sure people in the spirit world are praying for family members and people down here in this crazy world. Praying that we don’t mess up and praying we’ll be protected from danger or what not.
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Do you realize how incredibly Catholic that belief is?
 
No, we don’t pray to other people like saints. We pray to god. So if a spirit person prays to god for us, like asks that god will protect us if we’re traveling or something (i have no idea) or ask god to knock some sense into us if we are going to do something horrible, i would completely understand that. I do that for my own family.

I just think the spirit world is peaceful, even if your not baptised yet. This baptism for the dead is largely related to spiritual things so its a different discussion.
 
Well, i’m just saying your literally creating your own moderator with god and ignoring Christ. If i pray to Mary, what do you think Mary is thinking? First, she has no athority to moderate with god in your behalf. If your asking to be forgiven for a sin, What is Mary going to do? I think she would be trying to tell you to pray in Christ’s name, not hers.

Regardless of the difference in doctrine, baptism for the dead makes perfect sense. Its a requirement to be baptised in Christs name to enter into heaven. Remember, we don’t go directly to heaven after we die. its called paradise or spirit world. Its another stage before we enter heaven. We will still need to be resurrected and so forth.
 
falisrm said:
I think thats a major error in Catholism. Christ literally said, not to pray to other people and the Christ is the only moderator between you and god. Christ is the only one authorized to speak for your behalf.

To actually pray to people, regardless of how worthy or righteous they were, in your behalf is literally rejecting Christ as your moderator. Its a bizarre tradition that makes no sense.
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Seriously, you’re baptizing dead spirits by proxy and calling prayer “bizarre”?

Yes, Christ is our only moderator. This in no way means you cannot ask others to pray on your behalf.
 
For one, its a literal commandment to only pray to god because Christ is the ONLY moderater.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the away, the btruth, and the life: no man ccometh unto the Father, but by me.

Heb. 8: 6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the amediator of a better bcovenant, which was established upon better cpromises.

Heb. 9: 15
And for this cause he is the amediator of the bnew ctestament, that by means of ddeath, for the redemption of the etransgressions that were under the first ftestament, they which are called might receive the gpromise of eternal hinheritance.

Heb 12:24
24 And to Jesus the amediator of the bnew ccovenant, and to the dblood of sprinkling, that speaketh ebetter things than that of Abel.

Here are some of the scriptures that teach Christ is the only moderator. I’ll look for the commandment.
 
falisrm said:
For one, its a literal commandment to only pray to god because Christ is the ONLY moderater.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
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For one? You have more?

Where is it commanded to only pray to God?
 
So a commandment isn’t enough, do you need more? one question i have though is if you do spend your time praying to saints, do you ever have time to actually pray to god? Just wondering.
 
falisrm said:
For one, its a literal commandment to only pray to god because Christ is the ONLY moderater.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

I’m still looking for the scripture, hold on
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There is one mediator between God and man… the God/Man Jesus Christ. By His position, this is so. But this does not say that we cannot enlist the support of our brothers and sisters who are in Christ to intercede with their own prayers and supplications. And this is so, even if some of these brothers and sisters in Christ have moved on to the beatific vision. They are still alive in Christ and so, they are connected with us, who are also in Christ. Our prayers for each other is what builds up the Body of Christ that is His Church, and gives glory to God.

Peace,
-Robert
 
falisrm said:
Ha, so a commandment isn’t enough, do you need more? one question i have though is if you do spend your time praying to saints, do you ever have time to actually pray to god? Just wondering.
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We all pray to God, together.
 
Perhaps you are confusing the word pray with the word worship?

Pray means “to ask”. So, when we pray to a Saint, we are asking them to pray for us. And all of us pray to God.

If you object to this, then you must object to asking others to pray for you entirely. Do you? Do you object if I ask you to pray for me?
 
Robert_in_SD said:
There is one mediator between God and man… the God/Man Jesus Christ. By His position, this is so. But this does not say that we cannot enlist the support of our brothers and sisters who are in Christ to intercede with their own prayers and supplications. And this is so, even if some of these brothers and sisters in Christ have moved on to the beatific vision. They are still alive in Christ and so, they are connected with us, who are also in Christ. Our prayers for each other is what builds up the Body of Christ that is His Church, and gives glory to God.
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Let’s get back to the topic. Why don’t Mormons pray for the dead? Don’t they have faith their prayers might help those who are dead accept the gospel in the next life? If it doesn’t help to pray for the dead is there any point in praying for the living?
 
oh, i understand now. So your asking Mary or a saint to pray to god for you. So your just asking them to pray for you and your not asking them to tell god to forgive you. Isn’t that still being a moderator and doesn’t that still distract from the trinity and Christ? Isn’t that Christ’s job?
 
Oh, we do pray for the dead. Like i would say a pray that i hope they accepted Christ and his gospel in the spirit world and that they were able to repent. It always depends on the actual person being baptised and if you knew them or not. In the temple, you mostly listen to see if they accepted it or not. I heard my grandfather’s voice when he was baptised. Thats personal though and its not really doctrine, just a natural.

So it’s not like standard prayers or reciting prayers for the dead. I’m only 26 years old so i’m like, “I hope he didn’t screw up big time here on earth and i hope he understand’s Christ’s gospel now.” Those are my prayers.

In the case of my grandfather, he wasn’t religious growing up but he definitely lived an honorable life. So he didn’t sin a whole lot. I hoped he would be converted after this life but i never thought i would hear him say “Thank you”

I guess life there is really different. I think its pretty apparent there is a god since everyone is walking around as spirits and they knew the life they lived before here on earth.
 
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