I'm tired of the "Gay Priests Are Evil" stuff

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I AM SICK BY SOME PEOPLE IN HERE! MY DESIRE TO BE CATHOLIC ARE QUICKLY GOING AWAY. I SUFFER WITH SSA, AND I HAVE HEARD THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS THE WORK OF THE DEVIL, WE ARE GOING TO HELL, AND MANY OFFENCIVE THINGS. DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG I HAVE WANTED TO BE A PRIEST? SINCE THE 4TH GRADE, BEFORE I EVEN KNEW WHAT HOMOSEXUALLITY WAS!!! NOW I CANNOT SERVE MY LORD BECAUSE I MIGHT MOLEST “LITTLE BOYS”. COMMON PEOPLE, THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE DAUGHTERS THAT ARE AROUND THE AGE 14-16 , ASK HER HOW MANY OF HER FRIENDS (OR EVEN HER) GO OUT WITH MEN IN THE MID-20’S, EARLY 30’S. “OH BUT IT’S NOT CHILD ABUSE, IT’S TOTALLY SOMETHING DIFFRENT”, I SAY BULLS MONKEYS! WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ME TO DO, I HAVE NEVER HAD A B/F, OR EVEN DESIRED TO HAVE ONE!!! AHHHHHHHH!!! IT’S LIKE IF YOU HAVE SSA, YOU HAVING GAY SEX, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. COMMON PEOPLE GET A GRIP, I WOULDN’T WANNA TOUCH ON LITTLE BOYS, THAT IMO IS SOOOOOOO WRONG. Now that I got that out, what go you want me to do? You know I have wanted to be a priest since the 4th grade? What am I to do? What am I to do?
 
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RomanRyan1088:
I AM SICK BY SOME PEOPLE IN HERE! MY DESIRE TO BE CATHOLIC ARE QUICKLY GOING AWAY. I SUFFER WITH SSA, AND I HAVE HEARD THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS THE WORK OF THE DEVIL, WE ARE GOING TO HELL, AND MANY OFFENCIVE THINGS. DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG I HAVE WANTED TO BE A PRIEST? SINCE THE 4TH GRADE, BEFORE I EVEN KNEW WHAT HOMOSEXUALLITY WAS!!! NOW I CANNOT SERVE MY LORD BECAUSE I MIGHT MOLEST “LITTLE BOYS”. COMMON PEOPLE, THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE DAUGHTERS THAT ARE AROUND THE AGE 14-16 , ASK HER HOW MANY OF HER FRIENDS (OR EVEN HER) GO OUT WITH MEN IN THE MID-20’S, EARLY 30’S. “OH BUT IT’S NOT CHILD ABUSE, IT’S TOTALLY SOMETHING DIFFRENT”, I SAY BULLS MONKEYS! WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ME TO DO, I HAVE NEVER HAD A B/F, OR EVEN DESIRED TO HAVE ONE!!! AHHHHHHHH!!! IT’S LIKE IF YOU HAVE SSA, YOU HAVING GAY SEX, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. COMMON PEOPLE GET A GRIP, I WOULDN’T WANNA TOUCH ON LITTLE BOYS, THAT IMO IS SOOOOOOO WRONG. Now that I got that out, what go you want me to do? You know I have wanted to be a priest since the 4th grade? What am I to do? What am I to do?
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🙂 Hello!It will be okay.From what you just said you have not acted on anything.Please, do not be hurt I do not think anyone means it the way you’ve taken it or perhaps it was a loaded question that was being answered,I do not know.I do know that we have certain weaknesses and tendencies towards sin that we should fight(all of us).If God is calling you,He makes a way.God Bless You
 
Don’t despair. When God calls, God has something in mind for you… and it will be the absolute fullfillment of your heart’s desire. Maybe you will become a priest, yet. Maybe you won’t. But if only you cooperate, God will accomplish what God intends, and no one will stop Him. Trust in that.
 
I am not familiar with SSA. Could you please explain it to me so that maybe i can give some advise in this matter? I wanna help and it seems like you are upset or even despairing,
 
Ryan, I’m sorry that you have been so hurt by the comments made by some here.

I would guess that most are not familiar with faithful Catholics that struggle with same sex attraction. I’m sure not many are public about it.

The opinion of many is probably influenced by secular homosexuals many of which live very immoral life styles.And by the fact that unfortuantly some of the abuse scandal has been cause by priests that have molested older teenage boys which in those cases would lead one to believe same sex attraction was involved. That does not mean all or the majority of gay priests are molesters.

If you are chaste and seeking to serve God whether one is attracted to women or men should not prevent a vocation to the priesthood if God is calling you. A person should not be defined by their sexual attractions but by their willingness seek God will and lead a holy virtuous life.

Do not let the comments of some destroy your vocation. If you do not have a spirtual director please seek one out as soon as possible.

(For SeanM SSA = Same Sex Attraction)
 
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rayne89:
If you are chaste and seeking to serve God whether one is attracted to women or men should not prevent a vocation to the priesthood if God is calling you. **A person should not be defined by their sexual attractions **but by their willingness seek God will and lead a holy virtuous life.
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“A person should not be defined by their sexual attractions”, however, if a person is *predominantly/substantially *defined in their psychosexual identity by same sex orientation/attraction, then I believe that person lacks the prerequiste capacity, ability to have the priesthood of Jesus Christ to fully exist in and through that person. This is simply because Jesus was fully human, fully divine in His identity, which integral to this was His heterosexual orientation.

How can a male live out the Bridegroom/bride, Beloved/lover relationship of Christ with the Church, of which the priest assumes in his ordination vows, if their predominate, pervasive psychosexual identity is homosexual? I believe that this would posse a serious barrier, limitation to assuming the priesthood of Jesus Christ. Maybe after some time with God’s grace and reparative therapy (formal and informal) a man with predominat same sex attraction may some day be a viable candidate for the priesthood as God is truly calling him.

We do live in a fallen world, and we each have our crosses to bear, and unfortunately some desires will necessarily go wanting this side of the grave, if one is to choose holiness of life and the fullness of their vocational calling.
 
Ryan,

What I would like to know is how does anyone but you know about this SSA? If you are chaste then there should be no outward signs. Any man, straight, gay, or whatever, is expected to curb his outward appearances and not go drooling after whomever appeals to his eye.

Similarly, if a heterosexual man wants to become a priest, I don’t think it would serve him well to make comments like “hubba hubba” whenever a female that catches his eye walks by.

What about a desire to engage in other behavior that the church would not approve of? For example, what if you secretly wish to bomb an abortion clinic?

I just don’t get it. I don’t get how your inner thoughts and feelings can be measured and judged by the church. If there are outward signs based on your behavior, then you need to learn to put on a better mask like the rest of us.

Truth be told, sometimes when I drop my kids at school I notice that some of the other kids’ mothers are physically attractive – especially noticeable in warm weather. Whether those thoughts are lustful or just obsevations, I have learned to keep them to myself, and there is no social problem. Why would it be any different if I thought some of the men had cute buns but kept that information to myself?

Alan
 
Gay priests are evil, to the extent that they have embraced evil. Gay is a political term self-selected by those who have chosen to act out their homosexual inclinations in a particularly public and defiant way, and such acting out is always sinful because it perverts the natural order of human dignity and sexuality. For a priest, who is vowed to chastity (and in the Latin Rite also vowed to celibacy, i.e. unmarried) it is a prortionately greater offense because it denies and perverts the very love between Christ and His Church that he is supposed to exemplify. This relationship is described theologically in terms of a marriage covenant, which is why for a priest, or for anyone in the Church, to attack marriage and the marital reason and usage of sexuality, is such a grave sacrilege.

Homosexual persons, or persons with same-sex attraction, whether priests or not, are struggling with a disorder that was not of their own choosing and which has causes that are not completely understood. They are not evil, although, like all of us, are capable of evil thoughts and deeds. Like all of us, they are struggling throughout life with the effects of original sin, often heroically, and because of the proportionate difficulty capable of great virtue because of that struggle.

All homosexuals, whether or not they have embraced the gay lifestyle, philosophy and rhetoric, are human beings with inherent dignity worthy of our love and concern because they enjoy the continual love and concern of Jesus. Whether or not they have the aptitude and ability to meet the demands of the priesthood, or of the married vocation, or of any particular career are a valid matter for discussion, discernment and judgement.
 
Gay = actively homosexual.

SSA = tempted, but not acted upon (we hope).

I am tempted to commit adultery, often. But I don’t, because I love the Lord more than I love my wife. We are not condemned for our temptations, but rather for acting on them.
 
I really don’t know what to say, but I also suffer from SSA, and I also have an inclination to priesthood. But because of such people, it had deterred me from actually following through with it. There will be a LIVE-IN fotr those interested in priesthood, and since it’s coming so soon, I do not know what to do.

But I do support you, that God may always be with you. Jesus will always be more passionate for those whose hearts are burning for him. 1 John 2:17: And the world passeth away and the concupiscence thereof: but he that doth the will of God abideth for ever.

For me, I wish not to lust, nor do I. It may struggle at times, but the Lord is stronger. He never gives us too much that we can’t handle!

People really shouldn’t judge… only God can be that just judge…
 
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“A person should not be defined by their sexual attractions”, however, if a person is *predominantly/substantially *defined in their psychosexual identity by same sex orientation/attraction, then I believe that person lacks the prerequiste capacity, ability to have the priesthood of Jesus Christ to fully exist in and through that person. This is simply because Jesus was fully human, fully divine in His identity, which integral to this was His heterosexual orientation.

How can a male live out the Bridegroom/bride, Beloved/lover relationship of Christ with the Church, of which the priest assumes in his ordination vows, if their predominate, pervasive psychosexual identity is homosexual? I believe that this would posse a serious barrier, limitation to assuming the priesthood of Jesus Christ. Maybe after some time with God’s grace and reparative therapy (formal and informal) a man with predominat same sex attraction may some day be a viable candidate for the priesthood as God is truly calling him.

We do live in a fallen world, and we each have our crosses to bear, and unfortunately some desires will necessarily go wanting this side of the grave, if one is to choose holiness of life and the fullness of their vocational calling.
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You make an interesting argument but I am not convinced. Yes obviously Jesus was hetrosexual. But he also remained a virgin, there are many men accepted into the priesthood that are not virgins. He never married, but many widows are accepted. He never lusted but I’m sure there are priests that struggle with this. He was not an alcoholic but we have priests that are recovered alcoholics. Never struggled with gambling, or prescription or illegal drug addiction. Never struggle against pornography addiction or masturbation.
see link below
guesthouse.org/01-01.php

Ryan pointed out he has not acted on his attraction. If he is chaste I still believe he should not be impeded from becoming a priest if God has truly placed that vocation on his heart.

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2258 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2259 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
 
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rayne89:
You make an interesting argument but I am not convinced. Yes obviously Jesus was hetrosexual. But he also remained a virgin, there are many men accepted into the priesthood that are not virgins. He never married, but many widows are accepted. He never lusted but I’m sure there are priests that struggle with this. He was not an alcoholic but we have priests that are recovered alcoholics. Never struggled with gambling, or prescription or illegal drug addiction. Never struggle against pornography addiction or masturbation.
see link below
guesthouse.org/01-01.php

Ryan pointed out he has not acted on his attraction. If he is chaste I still believe he should not be impeded from becoming a priest if God has truly placed that vocation on his heart.

CCC
2258 The number of men and women who have **deep-seated homosexual tendencies **is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2259 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
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My thought and common sense tells me that if a man is living a chaste lifestyle, but admits to possessing a predominately homosexual orientation (i.e., innate characteristic and quality)that functions as the central organizing principle of one’s sexual identity (not expression), then how can this man ever "espouse " the bride of the Church in the fullness of his person? The complementary “fit” would seem to be markedly amiss to the frustration, limitation of the seminarian candidate/orained priest. How is this different from a chaste man possessing an innate homosexual orientation (psychosexual identity) from having the adequate capacity, ability to fully enter into and give one self over to the sacrament of marriage?
 
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felra:
My thought and common sense tells me that if a man is living a chaste lifestyle, but admits to possessing a predominately homosexual orientation (i.e., innate characteristic and quality)that functions as the central organizing principle of one’s sexual identity (not expression), then how can this man ever "espouse " the bride of the Church in the fullness of his person? The complementary “fit” would seem to be markedly amiss to the frustration, limitation of the seminarian candidate/orained priest. How is this different from a chaste man possessing an innate homosexual orientation (psychosexual identity) from having the adequate capacity, ability to fully enter into and give one self over to the sacrament of marriage?
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I think that’s a good point. I would honestly suggest RomanRyan that you seek counselling to determine if your self described SSA is something that can be overcome. I understand that SSA can be treated just like other behavior patterns and with approximately the same percentage of success. None of the homosexuals that I know ever even TRIED counselling or therapy but simply succumbed to their temptations, claiming this was “who they were.” But I disagree. We are not defined solely by one element of our lives.

I also think that what has been said on several of these homosexual subject threads bears repeating. When a heterosexual man gives up the opportunity to marry and have children to become a priest, he is sacrificing a good. When a homosexual gives up acting on his desires to become a priest, he is giving up a sin. IOW it is a completely different focus of sacrifice. Certainly both are laudable. Giving up sin is laudable as is sacrifice for the Church. OTOH the two are not equivalent.

Lisa N
 
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felra:
How is this different from a chaste man possessing an innate homosexual orientation (psychosexual identity) from having the adequate capacity, ability to fully enter into and give one self over to the sacrament of marriage?
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From the Courage apsotalate website (testimonies)
couragerc.net/TestimoniesPeter.html

Am I still tempted. Yes at times but not so frequently anymore. Since now I have a stronger prayer life, the regular presence of Christ in the Eucharist, Confession and people I can turn to when I’m in need. I am also a presence to others who are in need. Supporting all this are several good friends who I can feel like one of the guys with. Some I met at a young adults group.

I am also dating women. What an awesome experience now to do it without feeling so much stress and the need to talk endlessly to keep that safe distance.

Do I engage in sexual activity with women now? No. In fact, I feel very strongly now about developing a friendship first and waiting until marriage before engaging in sex. I am finding through this a maturity and satisfaction that I never had in the gay life. I am also experiencing the desire to be closer to women that is more in line with natural male tendencies.

Many devout Catholic men that struggle with same sex attraction do enter in a sacramental marriage and are great husbands and fathers. You don’t know them because they don’t walk up to you and say “By the way I struggle with same sex attraction.”

When a priests becomes espoused to the church it is a spiritual union not a sexual one (as I’m sure your fully aware of). It is not a sexual attraction as in a sacramental marriage, it is a spiritual one.
 
Lisa N:
When a heterosexual man gives up the opportunity to marry and have children to become a priest, he is sacrificing a good. When a homosexual gives up acting on his desires to become a priest, he is giving up a sin. IOW it is a completely different focus of sacrifice. Certainly both are laudable. Giving up sin is laudable as is sacrifice for the Church. OTOH the two are not equivalent.

Lisa N
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There are herteosexual men that do not feel called and have no inclination to married and family life. Does that also impede them from the priesthood since it would not be a sacrifice for them?
 
Lisa N:
I think that’s a good point. I would honestly suggest RomanRyan that you seek counselling to determine if your self described SSA is something that can be overcome. I understand that SSA can be treated just like other behavior patterns and with approximately the same percentage of success. None of the homosexuals that I know ever even TRIED counselling or therapy but simply succumbed to their temptations, claiming this was “who they were.” But I disagree. We are not defined solely by one element of our lives.

I also think that what has been said on several of these homosexual subject threads bears repeating. When a heterosexual man gives up the opportunity to marry and have children to become a priest, he is sacrificing a good. When a homosexual gives up acting on his desires to become a priest, he is giving up a sin. IOW it is a completely different focus of sacrifice. Certainly both are laudable. Giving up sin is laudable as is sacrifice for the Church. OTOH the two are not equivalent.

Lisa N
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Maybe it escaped your attention, but RomanRyan never ever acted sinful (refered to homosexuality) and intents to live chaste as the church wants him to.

Why for God’s sake should he try to “change” something that cannot be changed when he doesn’t live to it anyway?

What the last few posts here show is what he wanted to say with his initial post as far as i understand, for the sheer fact that he is not attracted to women he is judged as someone bad.

And another possible good vocation goes down the sink.

But we all keep on praying for more vocations, don’t we?

Werner
 
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rayne89:
From the Courage apsotalate website (testimonies)
couragerc.net/TestimoniesPeter.html

Am I still tempted. Yes at times but not so frequently anymore. Since now I have a stronger prayer life, the regular presence of Christ in the Eucharist, Confession and people I can turn to when I’m in need. I am also a presence to others who are in need. Supporting all this are several good friends who I can feel like one of the guys with. Some I met at a young adults group.

I am also dating women. What an awesome experience now to do it without feeling so much stress and the need to talk endlessly to keep that safe distance.

Do I engage in sexual activity with women now? No. In fact, I feel very strongly now about developing a friendship first and waiting until marriage before engaging in sex. I am finding through this a maturity and satisfaction that I never had in the gay life. I am also experiencing the desire to be closer to women that is more in line with natural male tendencies.

Many devout Catholic men that struggle with same sex attraction do enter in a sacramental marriage and are great husbands and fathers. You don’t know them because they don’t walk up to you and say “By the way I struggle with same sex attraction.”

When a priests becomes espoused to the church it is a spiritual union not a sexual one (as I’m sure your fully aware of). It is not a sexual attraction as in a sacramental marriage, it is a spiritual one.
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“When a priests becomes espoused to the church it is a spiritual union not a sexual one” which is why I would think that it would be even more challenging and essential (i.e., dealing with the essence of the man/priestly identity) for a seminarian candidate who is not moving along the spectrum to resolving (“repairing”) a [disordered] homosexual orientation (condition) to that of heterosexual orientation, needs to be carefully screened, brutally honest and fully self-disclosing as part of his discernment process. Let common sense dictate prudent decision making.
 
Ryan, a couple of months ago you were interested in a girl in your class . . . Now it’s SSA? Clarity for yourself is what you need, not a rant about homosexuality and priesthood.
 
Lisa N:
I also think that what has been said on several of these homosexual subject threads bears repeating. When a heterosexual man gives up the opportunity to marry and have children to become a priest, he is sacrificing a good. When a homosexual gives up acting on his desires to become a priest, he is giving up a sin. IOW it is a completely different focus of sacrifice. Certainly both are laudable. Giving up sin is laudable as is sacrifice for the Church. OTOH the two are not equivalent.

Lisa N
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Likewise, the heterosexual man called to the priesthood is giving up one family to embrace another family (spiritual) in the fullness of his person and desires. This is not conversely true for the man of a predominately unresolved homosexual orientation–this disordered desire lacks the
complete composite of pro-creation (not just the unitive aspect). A heterosexual orientation married man and heterosexual orientation priest share the same function–to create new life (human and spiritual), while the homosexual orientation male differs significantly in the core expression of his homosexual orientation (remember that God created humans as sexual beings–male and female).
 
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rayne89:
There are herteosexual men that do not feel called and have no inclination to married and family life. Does that also impede them from the priesthood since it would not be a sacrifice for them?
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The Church recognizes that some people are called to the vocation of single life. I thank God for the single people who have blessed my life in their self-sacrifice, self-giving.
 
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