I'm tired of the "Gay Priests Are Evil" stuff

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Werner:
Maybe it escaped your attention, but RomanRyan never ever acted sinful (refered to homosexuality) and intents to live chaste as the church wants him to.
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No it DIDNT escape my notice. What I did notice was his tortured soul due to the conflict. I suggested counselling as a way to help him understand his internal conflict and help deal with it.
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Werner:
Why for God’s sake should he try to “change” something that cannot be changed when he doesn’t live to it anyway?.
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Werner that is your OPINION. THere are many other testimonials that SSA can be overcome. Regardless of whether RomanRyan ever acts on his impulses, counselling may help him overcome his desires or learn specific techniques to deal with them.

For example a drug addict will need counselling even after he gives up the drug. He will STILL have temptations even if he does not act on them. Addicts need techniques to overcome future temptations as much as those facing them now.
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Werner:
What the last few posts here show is what he wanted to say with his initial post as far as i understand, for the sheer fact that he is not attracted to women he is judged as someone bad.
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No with few exceptions the posts have focused on those who acted on their desires not their ‘badness.’ We’re all sinners and we acknowedge these sins and our inability to overcome them without God’s help. You as many homosexual apologists are completely unapologetic about homosexual activity and demand that we accept it as normal. No dice. As puzzleannie stated, there is a difference between someone with SSA and someone who is a self described “gay” which brings with it the demands that the rest of the world accept what many of us believe is deviant behavior.
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Werner:
And another possible good vocation goes down the sink.

But we all keep on praying for more vocations, don’t we?

Werner
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Again your opinion. A priest must be not only mentally healthy and strong but not conflicted as he serves Jesus Christ. Fighting strong desires and fighting sin would be a challenge for anyone. I believe that RomanRyan needs to get counselling so that he is able to decide if he is truly called to the priesthood and not simply trying to escape his conflicted desires. Just wanting something isn’t enough.

Lisa N
 
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I AM SICK BY SOME PEOPLE IN HERE! MY DESIRE TO BE CATHOLIC ARE QUICKLY GOING AWAY. I SUFFER WITH SSA, AND I HAVE HEARD THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS THE WORK OF THE DEVIL, WE ARE GOING TO HELL, AND MANY OFFENCIVE THINGS. DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG I HAVE WANTED TO BE A PRIEST? SINCE THE 4TH GRADE, BEFORE I EVEN KNEW WHAT HOMOSEXUALLITY WAS!!! NOW I CANNOT SERVE MY LORD BECAUSE I MIGHT MOLEST “LITTLE BOYS”. COMMON PEOPLE, THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE DAUGHTERS THAT ARE AROUND THE AGE 14-16 , ASK HER HOW MANY OF HER FRIENDS (OR EVEN HER) GO OUT WITH MEN IN THE MID-20’S, EARLY 30’S. “OH BUT IT’S NOT CHILD ABUSE, IT’S TOTALLY SOMETHING DIFFRENT”, I SAY BULLS MONKEYS! WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ME TO DO, I HAVE NEVER HAD A B/F, OR EVEN DESIRED TO HAVE ONE!!! AHHHHHHHH!!! IT’S LIKE IF YOU HAVE SSA, YOU HAVING GAY SEX, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. COMMON PEOPLE GET A GRIP, I WOULDN’T WANNA TOUCH ON LITTLE BOYS, THAT IMO IS SOOOOOOO WRONG. Now that I got that out, what go you want me to do? You know I have wanted to be a priest since the 4th grade? What am I to do? What am I to do?
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Are you putting us on? :ehh:

The over-dramatism suggests that at least.

However, if you are serious, follow the advice of the posters before me. They seem charitable in their assistance.
 
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felra:
My thought and common sense tells me that if a man is living a chaste lifestyle, but admits to possessing a predominately homosexual orientation (i.e., innate characteristic and quality)that functions as the central organizing principle of one’s sexual identity (not expression), then how can this man ever "espouse " the bride of the Church in the fullness of his person? The complementary “fit” would seem to be markedly amiss to the frustration, limitation of the seminarian candidate/orained priest. How is this different from a chaste man possessing an innate homosexual orientation (psychosexual identity) from having the adequate capacity, ability to fully enter into and give one self over to the sacrament of marriage?
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Have you considered that a most basic distinction is that as a priest, unlike a spouse, your relationship with your faith, vocation and parish are not physically expressed in an intimate manner, but are relational and spiritual. Put another way, a priest as part of his relating to his “spouse” is not expected to engage in a physically intimate act that might otherwise repulse him due to his orientation.

I am disturbed by your suggestion that even chaste homosexuals are by definition incapable of loving other individuals or their God with the fullness of those not experiencing SSA. I think it is a slippery slope to suggest that by virtue of SSA they have somehow been deprived by God of such spiritual grace. Moreover it does not seem reflective of the Church’s position on the spiritual value or capacity of such individuals or of the charity which we as members of the church are called to demonstrate AND believe.
 
Island Oak said:
Have you considered that a most basic distinction is that as a priest, unlike a spouse, your relationship with your faith, vocation and parish** are not physically expressed** in an intimate manner, but are relational and spiritual. Put another way, a priest as part of his relating to his “spouse” is not expected to engage in a physically intimate act that might otherwise repulse him due to his orientation.

I am disturbed by your suggestion that even chaste homosexuals are by definition incapable of loving other individuals or their God with the fullness of those not experiencing SSA. I think it is a slippery slope to suggest that by virtue of SSA they have somehow been deprived by God of such spiritual grace. Moreover it does not seem reflective of the Church’s position on the spiritual value or capacity of such individuals or of the charity which we as members of the church are called to demonstrate AND believe.
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I have considered distinctions in vocational callings. Rather than be disturbed, here is something from the Catechism of the Catholic Church for your consideration:

**2332 ***Sexuality *affects all aspects of the human person in the unity of his body and soul. It especially concerns affectivity, the capacity to love and to procreate, and in a more general way the aptitude for forming bonds of communion with others.
 
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RomanRyan1088:
I AM SICK BY SOME PEOPLE IN HERE! MY DESIRE TO BE CATHOLIC ARE QUICKLY GOING AWAY. I SUFFER WITH SSA, AND I HAVE HEARD THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS THE WORK OF THE DEVIL, WE ARE GOING TO HELL, AND MANY OFFENCIVE THINGS. DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG I HAVE WANTED TO BE A PRIEST? SINCE THE 4TH GRADE, BEFORE I EVEN KNEW WHAT HOMOSEXUALLITY WAS!!! NOW I CANNOT SERVE MY LORD BECAUSE I MIGHT MOLEST “LITTLE BOYS”. COMMON PEOPLE, THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE DAUGHTERS THAT ARE AROUND THE AGE 14-16 , ASK HER HOW MANY OF HER FRIENDS (OR EVEN HER) GO OUT WITH MEN IN THE MID-20’S, EARLY 30’S. “OH BUT IT’S NOT CHILD ABUSE, IT’S TOTALLY SOMETHING DIFFRENT”, I SAY BULLS MONKEYS! WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ME TO DO, I HAVE NEVER HAD A B/F, OR EVEN DESIRED TO HAVE ONE!!! AHHHHHHHH!!! IT’S LIKE IF YOU HAVE SSA, YOU HAVING GAY SEX, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. COMMON PEOPLE GET A GRIP, I WOULDN’T WANNA TOUCH ON LITTLE BOYS, THAT IMO IS SOOOOOOO WRONG. Now that I got that out, what go you want me to do? You know I have wanted to be a priest since the 4th grade? What am I to do? What am I to do?
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You better develop some thicker skin. As a priest you’re going to be called a pedophile, get hit while walking down the street, accused of doing certain things by bad bishops and priests, etc… There was a priest that was shot and killed in NY simply because he was a priest. If you want to be a priest, be a priest and stop whining when people say something derogatory. You’re going get it much worse when, God willing, you’re ordained.
 
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felra:
I have considered distinctions in vocational callings. Rather than be disturbed, here is something from the Catechism of the Catholic Church for your consideration:

**2332 ***Sexuality *affects all aspects of the human person in the unity of his body and soul. It especially concerns affectivity, the capacity to love and to procreate, and in a more general way the aptitude for forming bonds of communion with others.
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Thank you for that citation–it is enlightening. It indicates that perhaps as with other things we are not all equally gifted or called to certain vocations.

Does it also possibly suggest a belief in a distinct, inherent limitation on the spiritual relationship one may experience with one’s creator? Setting aside the issue of qualification for serving in the priesthood, does it follow from this quote that if homosexuality is inherent in the person–a defect of the physical, moral and spiritual character of the person as created and not a learned or adopted behavior–does this mean that God “programs” some to be in lesser communion with Him than others? Or is like any other outgrowth of original sin–which along with the operation of the will always to some extent impedes our ability to relate to and understand the divine?
 
Island Oak:
Thank you for that citation–it is enlightening. It indicates that perhaps as with other things we are not all equally gifted or called to certain vocations.

Does it also possibly suggest a belief in a distinct, inherent limitation on the spiritual relationship one may experience with one’s creator? Setting aside the issue of qualification for serving in the priesthood, does it follow from this quote that if homosexuality is inherent in the person–a defect of the physical, moral and spiritual character of the person as created and not a learned or adopted behavior–does this mean that God “programs” some to be in lesser communion with Him than others? Or is like any other outgrowth of original sin–which along with the operation of the will always to some extent impedes our ability to relate to and understand the divine?
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It would seem to be the latter. I also understand that each person has a unique capacity to be filled by God’s love; and that our choices to love or not love according to God’s will in this world determines the extent that our capacity is to be filled with His love in the world to come is actualized/realized. I do not believe that God “programs” some to be in “lesser communion” with Him. (Excuse my lack of theological terminology). This is question better answered by the AAA forum.
 
“I AM SICK BY SOME PEOPLE IN HERE!”

I learned never to let people here get to me that much. It is unhealthy. No matter the discussion don’t let it vex you to an unhealthy point.

“MY DESIRE TO BE CATHOLIC ARE QUICKLY GOING AWAY.”

I presume you feel this way. However, I would hope that if your desire to become Catholic were deep you will let this emotionalism not get the better of you. If I let every Catholic I know who I do not agree with bother me to the point of not being a Catholic I never would have reverted and would have been happier being a lapsed Catholic. Never let an outside source steer you away from God and His Church.

" I SUFFER WITH SSA, AND I HAVE HEARD THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS THE WORK OF THE DEVIL, WE ARE GOING TO HELL, AND MANY OFFENCIVE THINGS."
  1. I am sorry you suffer with SSA. This must be a terrible affliction to have to deal with. I will pray for your peace and the removal of such suffering.
  2. Homosexuality is a grave evil, as is any other mortal sin. I suffer with much mortal sin myself, though not homosexuality. The key is to remember that while we are required to hate the sin, we are also required to love the sinner. Start with doing this for yourself. I have done so at the direction of a spiritual director and I am very thankful for it, for it enables me to see that I am better than my sins and can master them ever more so every day with His Grace.
  3. I will not say you are going to hell. I apologize for any Catholic who has said so, for I am unaware of anyone so gifted with the charism of such a vision from the Holy Ghost here… to my knowledge St. Padre Pio is not an e-member here. However, if someone is simply telling you that a lifestyle of sin is going to send you to hell they may be trying to do so out of charity and it is coming out all wrong… I don’t know, as I don’t know the specifics of that accusation.
“DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG I HAVE WANTED TO BE A PRIEST? SINCE THE 4TH GRADE, BEFORE I EVEN KNEW WHAT HOMOSEXUALLITY WAS!!!”

As a man who will become a priest of God – by the Grace of God – I can tell you that what you want is irrelevant to a calling. It is what God wants and what God wants are determined by His Church. You will have heard this, or ought to have, from a seminary or vocations director. Usually an early date of recognition to become a priest is considered a sign of a calling, however it is not automatic that it is.

“NOW I CANNOT SERVE MY LORD BECAUSE I MIGHT MOLEST “LITTLE BOYS”.”

Actually, speaking canonically, no homosexual can become a priest. It is a matter of canon law and while it has been overlooked intentionally by many seminaries and sees, its canonical mandate is coming full circle to recognition again in light of the abuse scandal. So, it is not because you might molest “little boys,” rather because of the homosexual impediment in canon law.

“COMMON PEOPLE, THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE DAUGHTERS THAT ARE AROUND THE AGE 14-16 , ASK HER HOW MANY OF HER FRIENDS (OR EVEN HER) GO OUT WITH MEN IN THE MID-20’S, EARLY 30’S.”

This is also a grave sin on the part of the male and female. What does it prove in the matter of homosexuality and the harsh and/or unfair treatment of SSA persons? All it tells us is that there are cases of pedophilia proper (which is adult male on minor female) out there.

““OH BUT IT’S NOT CHILD ABUSE, IT’S TOTALLY SOMETHING DIFFRENT”,…”

Um, legally, spiritually and morally it is abuse. It is a different type of abuse, but abuse none the less… and one which ought to be railed against by any honest person of any, or no, faith.

“WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ME TO DO, I HAVE NEVER HAD A B/F, OR EVEN DESIRED TO HAVE ONE!!!”

Please forgive me, but does B/F mean boyfriend? If so, good man! You are a very successful man at conquering your affliction. In truth you are a model of how any SSA person can and must fight the temptation. That is to be commended and even celebrated!!! I applaud you for it and pray that you stay chaste. Good man… good man.

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People have to do whatever will help them grow in holiness- most people understand that, but not everyone seems to understand that the priesthood and religious life are included here. The opportunities for very deep same-sex friendship (without girlfriends, or kids, or wives to compete with for time and friendship) are very strong in the priesthood and religious life- as well is the opportunity for holiness. It is very easy to go cruising, or to a gay bar/bathhouse, or whatever when you’re living in the world, trying to make it in the world as a perpetually-single, adult man. It isn’t so easy when you know you’ve taken vows to God and to a religious order. It isn’t so easy when you have a chapel you can go to pray in whenever you want, confession and Mass every day if you want, the Liturgy of the Hours every day, and spiritual reading and private prayer daily, and a chance to grow with your fellow community members, or at least interact with someone from the parish- every single day.

No…those struggling with SSA should not be banned from the priesthood or religious life (although I tend to encourage the religious life- ordained or not- more, because of the guaranteed community, which those struggling with SSA so desperately need), rather, they should be encouraged to persue a vocation in the Church.

Michael
 
“AHHHHHHHH!!! IT’S LIKE IF YOU HAVE SSA, YOU HAVING GAY SEX, NO QUESTIONS ASKED.”

Admittedly this is the presumption of many. You have a valid, just “beef” with others on this issue.

“COMMON PEOPLE GET A GRIP, I WOULDN’T WANNA TOUCH ON LITTLE BOYS, THAT IMO IS SOOOOOOO WRONG.”

Again that is great news. I wouldn’t want anyone to harm a minor in any case. You should be commended on it. However, statistically most adult male abusers are of a SSA nature. Even outside of the current abuse scandal this bears out. Most abuses of minors occur with adult male on minor male, followed by adult male on minor female, then adult female on minor male, and finally of adult female on minor female. I know that many her have argued that given the very real, credible statistical probabilities of adult male on minor male abuse the Church ought to act on its own canonical ban on the admittance of homosexual priests. I think you may be reading into others concerns and worries about this; I would hope no one accused you personally.

“Now that I got that out, what go you want me to do? You know I have wanted to be a priest since the 4th grade? What am I to do? What am I to do?”

Pray, fast, seek holy, honest spiritual direction from a competent, holy priest. Remember that a calling to the priesthood is not a right of anyone’s – be he or she SSA or heterosexual. As the Church is the body of Christ, she has the ability, from Grace, to determine who is called to holy orders. There are many who “feel” they are called but are not for a variety of reasons; some of which are the individual’s health, state of mind, age, et cetera. If and when the Church rejects your bid to become a seminarian remember that it is Her right to do so, as she is Christ’s body on earth and governed by the Holy Spirit.

For the record, I am pursuing a canonical switch to the Maronite Catholic Church from the Roman and am seeking admittance to the seminary there. It may come down that while I can switch the rites, I may not be a priest. If that is the price of my switch of rites I will have to make a hard decision, for I need to determine whether God is calling me to the Maronite Catholic Church, or, to the priesthood in the Roman Church. But, I do not have a right to either, or both.

The surest sign of holiness and of a credible sign of a vocation is humility; the humility it takes resign ourselves to God’s Will, which we can not understand in our imperfect intellect. So my recommendation to you is to pray, fast, and seek out good spiritual direction from a holy priest. Do all of it with humility and resignation to God’s Holy Will. And by all means keep up your good fight against sin and your own SSA! That after all, my brother, may be your life’s calling. Perhaps you are called to be a witness for those who suffer with you on how to suffer in faith, humility, and holiness. I would think the Holy Father’s sufferings would be a great meditative source for you… I know it is for me.
 
One more thing…

I am guilty, as is my ex-fiancée, of the grave, mortal, evil sin of abortion - though I have obtained reconciliation through my priest and archbishop. In order for me to become a priest in either the Maronite Church or the Roman Church I have to submit to a higher authority (Maronite: the Patriarch; Roman: The Holy See). Now while the Church gives these routinely, she reserves the right to say no. In such a case I could not become a priest any more than a homosexual could. Both the office of the Holy Father (and the Patriarch) and the status of canon law would prohibit it.

Were such a circumstance to come down I would not leave the Church, nor decry her as judgmental, or other such nonsense that we often hear. I will simply unite my sorrow to the sufferings of Christ for the spiritual perfection of myself, the poor souls of Purgatory, the work of the priesthood itself, and for those who have left, or feel alienated from, the Church.

I bring this up because I want to stress the fact that no one has a right to holy orders… not even a heterosexual… and we are all subject to God’s Holy Will… even when that WIll hurts us…
 
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RomanRyan1088:
I AM SICK BY SOME PEOPLE IN HERE! MY DESIRE TO BE CATHOLIC ARE QUICKLY GOING AWAY. I SUFFER WITH SSA, AND I HAVE HEARD THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS THE WORK OF THE DEVIL, WE ARE GOING TO HELL, AND MANY OFFENCIVE THINGS. DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG I HAVE WANTED TO BE A PRIEST? SINCE THE 4TH GRADE, BEFORE I EVEN KNEW WHAT HOMOSEXUALLITY WAS!!! NOW I CANNOT SERVE MY LORD BECAUSE I MIGHT MOLEST “LITTLE BOYS”. COMMON PEOPLE, THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE DAUGHTERS THAT ARE AROUND THE AGE 14-16 , ASK HER HOW MANY OF HER FRIENDS (OR EVEN HER) GO OUT WITH MEN IN THE MID-20’S, EARLY 30’S. “OH BUT IT’S NOT CHILD ABUSE, IT’S TOTALLY SOMETHING DIFFRENT”, I SAY BULLS MONKEYS! WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ME TO DO, I HAVE NEVER HAD A B/F, OR EVEN DESIRED TO HAVE ONE!!! AHHHHHHHH!!! IT’S LIKE IF YOU HAVE SSA, YOU HAVING GAY SEX, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. COMMON PEOPLE GET A GRIP, I WOULDN’T WANNA TOUCH ON LITTLE BOYS, THAT IMO IS SOOOOOOO WRONG. Now that I got that out, what go you want me to do? You know I have wanted to be a priest since the 4th grade? What am I to do? What am I to do?
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You are mischaracterizing folks on these fora. Also, a grown man having “gay” sex with a teen male is not pedophilia. It may be child abuse by legal standards, but it is pedophilia. The difference is important. The media wants to make the scanadal out to be about pedophiles when it is about homosexual abuse.
 
Hi, RomanRyan.

There is some evidence that male homosexuals tend strongly to be inherently promiscuous. You may not have fully bloomed, yet.

The presumably-non-prejudiced Gay Studies Department at the University of Chicago found that the per capita rate of promiscuity among sexually-active homosexuals is rather astonishing. (The study defined “NON-promiscuous” as “15 partners or less”!) The average (modal average) study participant confessed to several dozen more connections than 15.

Pedophiles tend to be 9 to 1 heterosexual in their target choices.

The wayward priests were 9 to 1 homosexual.

These seems to affirm that heterosexual wayward priests were many times more able to deal with celibacy, so that the wayward priest problem was a homosexual problem, and that, indeed, homosexuals, whether they admit to it or not, are simply less able to keep their pants on.
 
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Hi, RomanRyan.

There is some evidence that male homosexuals tend strongly to be inherently promiscuous. You may not have fully bloomed, yet.

The presumably-non-prejudiced Gay Studies Department at the University of Chicago found that the per capita rate of promiscuity among sexually-active homosexuals is rather astonishing. (The study defined “NON-promiscuous” as “15 partners or less”!) The average (modal average) study participant confessed to several dozen more connections than 15.

Pedophiles tend to be 9 to 1 heterosexual in their target choices.

The wayward priests were 9 to 1 homosexual.

These seems to affirm that heterosexual wayward priests were many times more able to deal with celibacy, so that the wayward priest problem was a homosexual problem, and that, indeed, homosexuals, whether they admit to it or not, are simply less able to keep their pants on.
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Translation: It is not PC to say that homosexuals have large numbers of “contact” with males below age 18, but it is PC to say heterosexuals have large numbers of “contacts” below age 18.

Even science is politicized.
 
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BibleReader:
There is some evidence that male homosexuals tend strongly to be inherently promiscuous. You may not have fully bloomed, yet.
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There are mountains of evidence that adult males in general battle with stronger temptations toward promiscuity than women do–their tendency to engage temporarily in homosexual behaviors in situations where women are not available (as in prison) are one example. (The same temporary change in “orientation” is rare in women’s prisons.) Although it does come along with the “bloom” of adolescence, the idea that being afflicted with this temptation is in some sense “blooming” is a particularly awful euphemism.

Is it so surprising that men find it easier to find multiple partners when those partners are… other men? I would hope not!

So why would pedophiles attracted to boys be so much more likely to enter the priesthood? It was historically a “target rich environment”; the poor targets being the altar boys. The best immediate solution, then, is not to give anyone the chance to use their position of trust, especially within the Church, to have unfettered access to children. Let the Church be a place that pedophiles, even those who gain a position of trust or authority, are not going to find an attractive “hunting grounds.”
 
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RomanRyan1088:
I AM SICK BY SOME PEOPLE IN HERE! MY DESIRE TO BE CATHOLIC ARE QUICKLY GOING AWAY. I SUFFER WITH SSA, AND I HAVE HEARD THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS THE WORK OF THE DEVIL, WE ARE GOING TO HELL, AND MANY OFFENCIVE THINGS. DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG I HAVE WANTED TO BE A PRIEST? SINCE THE 4TH GRADE, BEFORE I EVEN KNEW WHAT HOMOSEXUALLITY WAS!!! NOW I CANNOT SERVE MY LORD BECAUSE I MIGHT MOLEST “LITTLE BOYS”. COMMON PEOPLE, THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE DAUGHTERS THAT ARE AROUND THE AGE 14-16 , ASK HER HOW MANY OF HER FRIENDS (OR EVEN HER) GO OUT WITH MEN IN THE MID-20’S, EARLY 30’S. “OH BUT IT’S NOT CHILD ABUSE, IT’S TOTALLY SOMETHING DIFFRENT”, I SAY BULLS MONKEYS! WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ME TO DO, I HAVE NEVER HAD A B/F, OR EVEN DESIRED TO HAVE ONE!!! AHHHHHHHH!!! IT’S LIKE IF YOU HAVE SSA, YOU HAVING GAY SEX, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. COMMON PEOPLE GET A GRIP, I WOULDN’T WANNA TOUCH ON LITTLE BOYS, THAT IMO IS SOOOOOOO WRONG. Now that I got that out, what go you want me to do? You know I have wanted to be a priest since the 4th grade? What am I to do? What am I to do?
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The first thing I would point out is that your caps lock is stuck, then I would suggest that you talk to a Priest and not take to heart everything you read in a forum. Not everybody believes people who are gay are evil (neither does the Catholic Church), but believe that when any of us goes willingly against God’s law, we are in sin and must seek forgiveness and sin no more for the love of Christ.
 
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“COMMON PEOPLE, THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE DAUGHTERS THAT ARE AROUND THE AGE 14-16 , ASK HER HOW MANY OF HER FRIENDS (OR EVEN HER) GO OUT WITH MEN IN THE MID-20’S, EARLY 30’S.”

This is also a grave sin on the part of the male and female. What does it prove in the matter of homosexuality and the harsh and/or unfair treatment of SSA persons? All it tells us is that there are cases of pedophilia proper (which is adult male on minor female) out there.

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Your post is fantastic, but I still feel inclined to nitpick a little bit. “Pedophilia proper” is sex with a pre-pubescent boy or girl. While adult male/minor female relations are a sin (outside of marriage) and illegal, the distinction is important. The reason SSA is an issue with a potential priest is the recent scandals. As has been noted in other threads, ~80% of the victims were male teenagers. This is not pedophilia (there is another term, but I don’t recall what it is). True pedophiles have a very serious problem and their acts are definitely evil.

From this, I come to a few possible conclusions:
  1. The priests were predatory and lied about their proclivities to take advantage of the priest/flock relationship - this would be equally abhorrant if it were priest/teenage girl relationships. In this case, these individuals were evil, and it shouldn’t reflect on a potential SSA priest with an earnest desire to live a celibate life.
  2. Dealing with SSA is far more difficult than dealing with OSA. The acts are still serious sin, but I believe intent is important. In this case, the Church is right to worry about a potential priest with SSA, since the likelihood of scandal is higher.
  3. Some of the heirarchy, the seminaries, etc. accept and possibly encourage the “gay” lifestyle. I’ve heard this mentioned, but I don’t know the veracity of these statements. If it’s true, than we have major problems, and the Church needs to do some housecleaning.
Whichever of these is true, a potential priest with SSA or OSA, needs to determine how strong their sexual feelings are. I don’t want my sons or daughters to be victims.

God Bless,

Robert.
 
You can’t help how you feel. Sure as hell can help how you act though. I don’t personally know any gay priests, but honestly, a priest shouldn’t consider himself “gay” or “straight” because a priest lives a life of celibacy anyway. It would be just as wrong for him to say “I’m attracted to women and I like it” as “I’m attracted to men and I like it.” As long as one is not actively gay and open about it then it’s okay.

Just don’t take what people say too harshly. Most don’t do it to hurt anyone even though that’s what happens. A gay person has no less of a chance of getting to heaven than anyone else, and they know that, so relax.
 
Whether you are homosexual or heterosexual, I think you should become a priest if that is your desire and you feel that you have a true calling.

I believe that most homosexuals are born that way ( or at least the few I know). It is wrong to say that being gay is a sin. It isn’t a sin UNLESS you act on it. Just like being heterosexual isn’t a sin UNLESS you have sex before marriage or practice adultery.

I also think it is wrong to think that just because a priest is gay that makes him a pediphile. That is the same as saying just because someone is heterosexual that makes them a rapist.

Best of luck to you. You are in my prayers.

Karen
 
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