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Or they will simply say “Moving right along to the next page…”
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sennincatholic
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The catholic doctrine doesnt give room to have varying opinions on what is/isn’t sin because it is clear and thorough on the subject.If individual catholics have varying opinions on what sin is thats bcoz they are not well informed on their doctrine.
However…protestant doctrines on sin differ and are at times not clear or well expantiated.that justifies their attitude of relativism towards sin.
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Miriam1947
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The Catholic Church has the same teaching in every parish and among all her rites and that has nothing to do with the incorrect beliefs of some Catholics in the pew. This is the usual nonsensical argument ad-nauseam.
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So when Catholics claim “All Catholics beleive the same thing”…that’s really not the case…they really don’t believe the same thing, it’s just that the books used to explain Catholic belief tend to?
All Catholic priests and bishops don’t believe the same thing yet…the square dance can go round and round.
All Methodists believe the same thing too…not all the Methodists in the pews…but all her rites and teachings from headquarters state the same things as their official doctrinal beliefs.
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sennincatholic
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I hope i’m not going out of topic here but its important to know that The Catholic Church cannot be put at the level of a denomination like the Methodists or Anabaptists…etc. The Catholic Church is the true Church Christ founded.All other christian denominations came about through splitting from the church 1st through the great schism and then through the protestant reformation.
The Church still maintains the very doctrines that it had 2000 years ago whilst after the reformation…protestant believes have not seized to be differing and their doctines distorted with time…(fortunately the Eastern Orthodox Church has been spared from such doctrinal anarchy and is in almost full communion with the Roman Catholic Church).
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It is not books that explain Catholic belief. It is the Magisterium, which is the teaching authority of the CC. Just because some are not following or believing does not negate the teaching authority.
Methodists and Quakers are denominations. We are not. All of you came from us. Jesus founded His Church and we have been His Church for 2000 years.
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LegoGE1947
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Our teachings are from HEADQUARTERS!!!
As Father Mitch Pacwa once said “We’re just in SALES.”
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Miriam1947
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Our teachings are from HEADQUARTERS!!!
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sennincatholic
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:yup:Our teachings are from HEADQUARTERS!!!
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Isaiah45_9
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Friend, at Mass all over the World we as Catholics confess with our mouthsour belief as the Universal Church. Perhaps you meant to say understanding. It is innevitable for an individual to have its own understanding, however is is possible for the individual to obey a higher authority. This is what we as Catholics stand for. When I am corrected by my Church because my understanding is not consistent with Her Authority, I am called to be humble and be teachable. Our Magisterium has guarded, protected and taught The Faith since the Apostles and our Higher Teacher - Christ. They, by the power of the Holy Spirit, draw the boundaries for us to remain faithful to The Way, The Life and The Resurrection of Christ our Lord, amen.
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Anyone ever heard a teaching that in the Greek there were two words translated “Word”. One is “Logos” which just means the words on the Bible pages and “Rhema” which is when a passage of Scripture seems to “speak” directly to you as an individual. This morning a TV preacher from our local Assembly of God spoke on this and I was wondering if Catholics had any kind of teaching like this? Or is it one of those man-made ideas that came along fairly recently?
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I have not, from what I understand “rhema” is an utterance, definitely not the same as “Logos”.Anyone ever heard a teaching that in the Greek there were two words translated “Word”. One is “Logos” which just means the words on the Bible pages and “Rhema” which is when a passage of Scripture seems to “speak” directly to you as an individual. This morning a TV preacher from our local Assembly of God spoke on this and I was wondering if Catholics had any kind of teaching like this? Or is it one of those man-made ideas that came along fairly recently?
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LegoGE1947
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What this guy was saying was that sometimes something you read or hear or even experience seems to speak to you in such a way that it seems just for you and is life-changing. This is a “Rhema” word or experience.
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cheezey
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I hope this is the case, for it has been happening to me A LOT lately…
my recent readings of the Bible and the homilies of late…
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allhers
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Speaking of Fr. Mitch, I just saw this today…He has a new book coming out May 1st.Our teachings are from HEADQUARTERS!!!
The title is “Winning the Battle against sin.”
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4487 ῥῆμα [rhema /hray·mah/] n n. From 4483; TDNT 4:69; TDNTA 505; GK 4839; 70 occurrences; AV translates as “word” 56 times, “saying” nine times, “thing” three times, “no thing + 3756” once, and not translated once. 1 that which is or has been uttered by the living voice, thing spoken, word. 1A any sound produced by the voice and having definite meaning. 1B speech, discourse. 1B1 what one has said. 1C a series of words joined together into a sentence (a declaration of one’s mind made in words). 1C1 an utterance. 1C2 a saying of any sort as a message, a narrative. 1C2A concerning some occurrence. 2 subject matter of speech, thing spoken of. 2A so far forth as it is a matter of narration. 2B so far as it is a matter of command. 2C a matter of dispute, case at law.
Strong, J. (2001). Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon. Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software.
4839 ῥῆμα (rhēma), ατος (atos), τό (to): n.neu.; ≡ DBLHebr 609, 1821; Str 4487; TDNT 4.69—1. LN 33.9 word, a single unit used in discourse (Mt 27:14), for another interp, see next; 2. LN 33.98 statement (Mt 4:4); 3. LN 13.115 event, matter, thing (Mt 18:16)
Swanson, J. (1997). Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains: Greek (New Testament) (electronic ed.). Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
- ῥῆμα rhēma, hray´-mah; from 4483; an utterance (individ., collect. or spec.); by impl. a matter or topic (espec. of narration, command or dispute); with a neg. naught whatever:—+ evil, + nothing, saying, word.
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ῥῆμα rhēma; from a modified form of 2046; a word, by impl. a matter:—charge(1), discourse(1), fact(2), matters(1), message(2), nothing*(1), remark(1), say(1), say say(1), saying(1), sayings(3), statement(6), thing(2), things(4), word(18), words(22).
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LegoGE1947
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Thank you
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Friend, I honor your belief…I simply do not accept it…your church has no more authority than a Friends Yearly Meeting in my view.
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I understand brother. What I was trying to accomplish was to clear up the difference of belief and understanding for Catholics. You were expressing something that is not what we as Catholics believe. Just like you would not like me represent a misinformed Quaker as all Quakers, I don’t like for Catholics to be represented by misinformed Catholics, thus I presented what we as Catholics truly believe as it is expressed at Mass around the world.Friend, I honor your belief…I simply do not accept it…your church has no more authority than a Friends Yearly Meeting in my view.
For example we sang this today:
Glory to God in the highest,
and on earth peace to people of good will.
We praise you,
we bless you,
we adore you,
we glorify you,
we give you thanks for your great glory,
Lord God, heavenly King,
O God, almighty Father.
Lord Jesus Christ, Only Begotten Son,
Lord God, Lamb of God, Son of the Father,
you take away the sins of the world,
have mercy on us;
you take away the sins of the world,
receive our prayer;
you are seated at the right hand of the Father,
have mercy on us.
For you alone are the Holy One,
you alone are the Lord,
you alone are the Most High,
Jesus Christ,
with the Holy Spirit,
in the glory of God the Father.
Amen.
And we confessed this today as well:
I **believe **in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I **believe **in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I **believe **in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I **believe **in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
This, Friend, is what Catholics believe.
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:tiphat: You are welcome brother.Thank you
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