I'm wondering about Genesis

[AlNg]

“Every being on earth”. The word translated to earth can mean: district, region.

If so, then there would have been a lot of sea creatures and land animals that would have survived.

 

[Vico]

Vico:

“Every being on earth”. The word translated to earth can mean: district, region.

If so, then there would have been a lot of sea creatures and land animals that would have survived.

Yes, on Earth, but not on earth.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

Biblically the passage is Genesis 7.15 to 7.24. It states all the mountains were submerged and every living thing died.

So if we are to be fundamentalist about reading it, we read everything was submerged. There is no room if we read from a literal view, partial earth flooded.

 

[Vico]

Biblically the passage is Genesis 7.15 to 7.24. It states all the mountains were submerged and every living thing died.

So if we are to be fundamentalist about reading it, we read everything was submerged. There is no room if we read from a literal view, partial earth flooded.

Fish and sea creatures were not mentioned, just land and air creatures. See Genesis 7:20-23.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

Genesis goes on to say

7.19 The waters rose higher and higher above the ground until all the highest mountains under the whole of heaven were submerged.
7:20 The waters reached their peak fifteen cubits above the submerged mountains.
7:21 And all living things that stirred on earth perished; birds, cattle, wild animals, all the creatures swarming over the earth, and all human beings.
7:22 Everything with the least breath of life in its nostrils, everything on dry land, died.
7:23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out, people, animals, creeping things and birds; they were wiped off the earth and only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

So if we are going to be fundamentalist about reading the Old Testament, these passages also tell us everything under the heavens were submerged and every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out.

It depends how a person reads the Old Testament. And, crucially, on how a Catholic should read the Old Testament.

With this passage

7.20 The waters reached their peak fifteen cubits above the submerged mountains. That’s 22 feet approx above Mt Everest which would have been one of, if not the highest mountain. Nothing would have remained un flooded. The sea waters would have turned fresh, with all the waters flowing into them. No sea creatures would have survived.

Now if God wanted any sea creatures to survive, He would have created a safe, salt water haven for them. Somewhere.

 

[Vico]

Genesis goes on to say

7.19 The waters rose higher and higher above the ground until all the highest mountains under the whole of heaven were submerged.
7:20 The waters reached their peak fifteen cubits above the submerged mountains.
7:21 And all living things that stirred on earth perished; birds, cattle, wild animals, all the creatures swarming over the earth, and all human beings.
7:22 Everything with the least breath of life in its nostrils, everything on dry land, died.
7:23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out, people, animals, creeping things and birds; they were wiped off the earth and only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

So if we are going to be fundamentalist about reading the Old Testament, these passages also tell us everything under the heavens were submerged and every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out.

It depends how a person reads the Old Testament. And, crucially, on how a Catholic should read the Old Testament.

With this passage

7.20 The waters reached their peak fifteen cubits above the submerged mountains. That’s 22 feet approx above Mt Everest which would have been one of, if not the highest mountain. Nothing would have remained un flooded. The sea waters would have turned fresh, with all the waters flowing into them. No sea creatures would have survived.

Now if God wanted any sea creatures to survive, He would have created a safe, salt water haven for them. Somewhere.

It does not show that all mountains of Earth were included.

 

[Wesrock]

Vico’s point, I think, being it could be limited even on a fundamentalist level to all the mountains and hills in the region, not across the whole planet.

 

[thistle]

Dinosaurs pre-dated humans and they were finally wiped out by a meteorite hitting the earth about 65 million years ago.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

‘All the highest mountains under the whole of heaven’ covers it.

Because if all your highest mountains are under 12 ft of water, anything shorter is going to be under water too.

Ever done the ’ how much water is left in my rain tank test?

Unless one thinks earth is bigger the Heaven. Then you have an argument. I , personally think heaven is at least as big as earth. If we want to be fundamentally literal and refer to when God separated Heaven and earth in Genesis

Here

God said, ‘Let there be a vault through the middle of the waters to divide the waters in two.’ And so it was.
1:7 God made the vault, and it divided the waters under the vault from the waters above the vault.
1:8 God called the vault ‘heaven’. Evening came and morning came: the second day.
1:9 God said, ‘Let the waters under heaven come together into a single mass, and let dry land appear.’ And so it was

 

[Vico]

‘All the highest mountains under the whole of heaven’ covers it.

Because if all your highest mountains are under 12 ft of water, anything shorter is going to be under water too.

Ever done the ’ how much water is left in my rain tank test?

Unless one thinks earth is bigger the Heaven. Then you have an argument. I , personally think heaven is at least as big as earth. If we want to be fundamentally literal and refer to when God separated Heaven and earth in Genesis

Here

God said, ‘Let there be a vault through the middle of the waters to divide the waters in two.’ And so it was.
1:7 God made the vault, and it divided the waters under the vault from the waters above the vault.
1:8 God called the vault ‘heaven’. Evening came and morning came: the second day.
1:9 God said, ‘Let the waters under heaven come together into a single mass, and let dry land appear.’ And so it was

From Catholic Encylopedia

Science, therefore, may demand an early date for the Deluge, but it does not necessitate a limitation of the Flood to certain parts of the human race. The question, whether all men perished in the Deluge, must be decided by the teaching of the Bible, and of its authoritative interpreter. As to the teachings of the Bible, the passage which deals ex professo with the Flood (Genesis 6-9), if taken by itself, may be interpreted of a partial destruction of man; it insists on the fact that all inhabitants of the “land”, not of the “earth”, died in the waters of the Deluge, and it does not explicitly tell us whether all men lived in the “land”. It may also be granted, that of the passages which refer incidentally to the flood (Wisdom 10:4; 14:6; Sirach 44:17 sqq., and Matthew 24:37 sqq., may be explained, more or less satisfactorily, of a partial destruction of the human race by the inundation of the Deluge; but no one can deny that the prima facie meaning of 1 Peter 3:20 sq., 2 Peter 2:4-9, and 2 Peter 3:5 sqq., refers to the death of all men not contained in the ark. The explanations of these passages, offered by the opponents of the anthropological universality of the Deluge, are hardly sufficient to remove all reasonable doubt. We turn, therefore, to authority in order to arrive at a final settlement of the question. Here we are confronted, in brief, with the following facts: Up to the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries the belief in the anthropological universality of the Deluge was general. Moreover, the Fathers regarded the ark and the Flood as types of baptism and of the Church; this view they entertained not as a private opinion, but as a development of the doctrine contained in 1 Peter 3:20 sq. Hence, the typical character of both ark and Flood belongs to the “matters of faith and morals” in which the Tridentine and the Vatican Councils oblige all Catholics to follow the interpretation of the Church.
Maas, A. (1908). Deluge. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company.
Ecclesiastical approbation. Nihil Obstat. Remy Lafort, Censor. Imprimatur. +John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04702a.htm

 

[Roseeurekacross]

Is that Catechism from the Vatican or has someone written an encyclopaedia

Because we are free to believe literally, or not, the pre Abraham Genesis.

Depends how fundamental we want to get.

So you can think, partial coverage, partial destruction, I can think total. It’s all good.

The most important point is through Noah , the first Covenant between God and His people was made

But we must remember, the Old Testament are God’s words in human language , for what God considers He wants us to know for our salvation

 

[Roseeurekacross]

We must also remember that in the Old Testament, God was preparing us for the coming of the Messiah, of Jesus.