Imam Mahdi, Promised Messiah, SecondComing: symbolic names of the same person

[paarsurrey]

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I believe Jesus was never a god who became man

Originally Posted by **kellie: **
What is the difference between a messiah and a imam mahdi ??

And do you need both ??

Originally Posted by **paarsurrey: **

Hi

The universal reformer who was to come as a successor of Muhammad in the end times among his followers, as prophesized by Muhammad, was to be guided by God Allah YHWH, directly by a Word of Revelation; in that sense he is named Al-Imam-ul-Mahdi or the DivineGuided.

When the DivineGuided was to come, at that as a sign it was mentioned by Muhammad, Anti-Christ was also to come which was mentioned in spritual terms as Dajjal or GreatDeceiver (hiding behind and in the name Christ) of as a Power in the material World from the nations of Gog Megog.

To break the Charismatic power of this Materialistic GreatDeceiver or Anti-Christ, the DivineGuided was given another name Messiah or Christ, spiritually or symbolically.

So, Al-Imam-ul-Mahdi and the Promised Messiah or Second Coming are the symbolic name of the same person who lived here from 1835-1908.

Please don’t mind; no intention is made to hurt anybody’s feelings; we are just discussing things to find the truth. One may stick to one’s own beliefs steadfasty with sound reasons, please.

I love Jesus

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

I think with the advent of Second Coming 1835-1908, the Armageddon has already started; not in the shape of any physical war between different religions, but in the shape of Jihad with pen.

Jihad with pen means; to prove with rational reasons and logical arguments the truthfulness and supremacy of one’s own religions over other faiths/religions or non-religions; which could mean providing claims/straightforward text and reasons from one’s own revealed religious book and not from outside.

Second Coming 1835-1908 proved this in an inter-religious conference held in the year 1896 in Lahore, then in British India. One may like to read this **intellectual discourse **by accessing:
alislam.org/library/books/Philosophy-of-Teachings-of-Islam.pdf

I love Jesus and Mary

Thanks

 

[Agabriel]

And you guys certainly hurry it along with all the violence in the name of allah!

Ahmadinejad certainly doesn’t even care how many muslims die - he is speedily hurrying along trying to get the nukes built to blow everyone apart. And then Al Qaeda and their asinine attempts at germ warfare that backfired just recently.

and the so called peaceful ones rioting whenever someone looks crosseyed at them, or strikes back at their violent ones.

Between the nukes, the bombs and the germs - the muslims are hellbent on destroying this earth for their idiotology. all for allah, right?!

 

[paarsurrey]

Imam Mahdi, Promised Messiah, SecondComing: symbolic names of the same person

Hi

Second Coming 1835-1908 has falsified the erroneous beliefs of the Traditional Muslims and Traditional Christians in this connection :

Let it be known that most Muslims and Christians believe that Jesus (on whom be peace) went alive to the heavens; both these people have believed for a long time that Jesus (on whom be peace) is still alive in the heavens, and will sometime in the latter days come down to the earth.

The difference in their views, i.e. the view of the followers of Islam and that of the Christians, is only this, that the Christians believe that Jesus (on whom be peace) died on the Cross, was resurrected, and went to the heavens in his earthly body, seated himself on the right hand of his Father, and will come to the earth in the latter days for judgment;

they also say that the Creator and the Master of the world is this Jesus the Messiah and no one else; he it is who, in the latter days of the world, will descend to the earth with a glorious descent to award punishment and reward; then, all who will not believe in him or his mother as God, will be hauled up and thrown into hell, where weeping and wailing will be their lot.

But the aforesaid sects of Muslims say that Jesus (on whom be peace) was not crucified, nor did he die on the Cross; on the other hand, when the Jews arrested him in order to crucify him an angel of God took him away to the heavens in his earthly body, and he is still alive in the heavens - which, they say, is the second heaven where is also the prophet Yahya, i.e. John.

Muslims, moreover, also say that Jesus (on whom be peace) is an eminent prophet of God, but not God, nor the son of God, and, they believe that he will in the latter days descend to the earth, near the Minaret of Damascus or near some other place, supported on the shoulders of two angels, and that he and Imam Muhammad, the Mahdi, who will be already in the world, and who will be a Fatimite, will kill all the non-Muslims, not leaving anyone alive except those who will forthwith and without any delay become Muslims.

In short, the real object of the descent of Jesus (on whom be peace) to the earth, as stated by Muslim sects known as Ahl-i-Sunnat or Ahl-i-Hadith called Wahabis by the common people - is that, like the Mahadev of the Hindus, he should destroy the whole world; that he should first threaten the people to become Muslims and then, if they persist in disbelief, massacre them all with the sword; they moreover say that he is alive in the heavens in his earthly body, so that, when Muslim powers become weak, he will come down and kill the non-Muslims or coerce them on pain of death to become Muslims.

Regarding the Christians especially, the divines of the aforesaid sects state that when Jesus (on whom be peace) comes down from the heavens he will break all the Crosses in the world, do many a cruel deed with the sword, and inundate the world with blood.

And, just as I have stated, these people, i.e. the Ahl-i-Hadith etc. from among the Muslims, are enthusiastic about their belief that a short time before the coming down of the Messiah there will appear an Imam from the Bani Fatima whose name will be Muhammad, the Mahdi.

He it is who will be Khalifa and King of the time, and as he will belong to the Koraish, his real object will be to kill all non-Muslims except those who readily recite the Kalima. Jesus (on whom be peace) will come down in order to help him in his work; and although Jesus himself (on whom be peace) will be a Mahdi - nay, a greater Mahdi - yet, because it is essential that the Khalifa of the time should be a Koraish, Jesus (on whom be peace) will not be the Khalifa of the time; the Khalifa of the time will be that same Muhammad, the Mahdi.

Muslims say that these two together will fill the earth with the blood of man, and they will shed more blood than has ever been shed before in the history of the world. No sooner will they appear than they will start this bloody campaign; they will neither preach nor plead, nor show any sign.

And they also say that although Jesus (on whom be peace) will be like an adviser or a lieutenant of Imam Muhammad, the Mahdi, and although the reins of power will be in the hands of the Mahdi only, Jesus (on whom be peace) will instigate Hazrat Imam Muhammad, the Mahdi, to massacre the whole world and will advise him to adopt extreme measures, i.e. he will make amends for the humane teaching which he had given to the world before, namely, ‘not to resist evil,’ and, being struck on one cheek, ‘to turn the other cheek also.’

alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/intro.html

Thanks

 

[kellie]

Is there a point to this thread or are you just spamming our forum with more of your cutting and pasting paarsurrey?

 

[paarsurrey]

In short, the real object of the descent of Jesus (on whom be peace) to the earth, as stated by Muslim sects known as Ahl-i-Sunnat or Ahl-i-Hadith called Wahabis by the common people - is that, like the Mahadev of the Hindus, he should destroy the whole world; that he should first threaten the people to become Muslims and then, if they persist in disbelief, massacre them all with the sword; they moreover say that he is alive in the heavens in his earthly body, so that, when Muslim powers become weak, he will come down and kill the non-Muslims or coerce them on pain of death to become Muslims

Is there a point to this thread or are you just spamming our forum with more of your cutting and pasting paarsurrey?

Hi

It has relevance not only with the present extremist tendencies of traditional Muslims in the world but with the peace of the world at large.

The Second Coming warned the world timely (1835-1908) about these tendencies; he also gave the solution.

He clarified that “Imam Mahdi, Promised Messiah, SecondComing: symbolic names of the same person” who is very peaceful and the world needs such a reformer very much.

I think you won’t deny importance of the peace. Do you?

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

 

[kellie]

Hi

It has relevance not only with the present extremist tendencies of traditional Muslims in the world but with the peace of the world at large.

The Second Coming warned the world timely (1835-1908) about these tendencies; he also gave the solution.

He clarified that “Imam Mahdi, Promised Messiah, SecondComing: symbolic names of the same person” who is very peaceful and the world needs such a reformer very much.

I think you won’t deny importance of the peace. Do you?

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

So Imam Mahdi is the “peaceful reformer” ??

Because we need someone like that in 2009 ??

But he died in 1908

How does he help us now?

 

[kellie]

Hi

It has relevance not only with the present extremist tendencies of traditional Muslims in the world but with the peace of the world at large.

The Second Coming warned the world timely (1835-1908) about these tendencies; he also gave the solution.

He clarified that “Imam Mahdi, Promised Messiah, SecondComing: symbolic names of the same person” who is very peaceful and the world needs such a reformer very much.

I think you won’t deny importance of the peace. Do you?

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

So Imam Mahdi is the “peaceful reformer” ??

Because we need someone like that in 2009 ??

But he died in 1908

How does he help us now?

 

[kellie]

Hi

It has relevance not only with the present extremist tendencies of traditional Muslims in the world but with the peace of the world at large.

The Second Coming warned the world timely (1835-1908) about these tendencies; he also gave the solution.

He clarified that “Imam Mahdi, Promised Messiah, SecondComing: symbolic names of the same person” who is very peaceful and the world needs such a reformer very much.

I think you won’t deny importance of the peace. Do you?

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

So Imam Mahdi is the “peaceful reformer” ??

Because we need someone like that in 2009 ??

But he died in 1908

How does he help us now?

 

[swariffin]

Hi

Second Coming 1835-1908 has falsified the erroneous beliefs of the Traditional Muslims and Traditional Christians in this connection :

Let it be known that most Muslims and Christians believe that Jesus (on whom be peace) went alive to the heavens; both these people have believed for a long time that Jesus (on whom be peace) is still alive in the heavens, and will sometime in the latter days come down to the earth.

The difference in their views, i.e. the view of the followers of Islam and that of the Christians, is only this, that the Christians believe that Jesus (on whom be peace) died on the Cross, was resurrected, and went to the heavens in his earthly body, seated himself on the right hand of his Father, and will come to the earth in the latter days for judgment;

they also say that the Creator and the Master of the world is this Jesus the Messiah and no one else; he it is who, in the latter days of the world, will descend to the earth with a glorious descent to award punishment and reward; then, all who will not believe in him or his mother as God, will be hauled up and thrown into hell, where weeping and wailing will be their lot.

But the aforesaid sects of Muslims say that Jesus (on whom be peace) was not crucified, nor did he die on the Cross; on the other hand, when the Jews arrested him in order to crucify him an angel of God took him away to the heavens in his earthly body, and he is still alive in the heavens - which, they say, is the second heaven where is also the prophet Yahya, i.e. John.

Muslims, moreover, also say that Jesus (on whom be peace) is an eminent prophet of God, but not God, nor the son of God, and, they believe that he will in the latter days descend to the earth, near the Minaret of Damascus or near some other place, supported on the shoulders of two angels, and that he and Imam Muhammad, the Mahdi, who will be already in the world, and who will be a Fatimite, will kill all the non-Muslims, not leaving anyone alive except those who will forthwith and without any delay become Muslims.

In short, the real object of the descent of Jesus (on whom be peace) to the earth, as stated by Muslim sects known as Ahl-i-Sunnat or Ahl-i-Hadith called Wahabis by the common people - is that, like the Mahadev of the Hindus, he should destroy the whole world; that he should first threaten the people to become Muslims and then, if they persist in disbelief, massacre them all with the sword; they moreover say that he is alive in the heavens in his earthly body, so that, when Muslim powers become weak, he will come down and kill the non-Muslims or coerce them on pain of death to become Muslims.

Regarding the Christians especially, the divines of the aforesaid sects state that when Jesus (on whom be peace) comes down from the heavens he will break all the Crosses in the world, do many a cruel deed with the sword, and inundate the world with blood.

And, just as I have stated, these people, i.e. the Ahl-i-Hadith etc. from among the Muslims, are enthusiastic about their belief that a short time before the coming down of the Messiah there will appear an Imam from the Bani Fatima whose name will be Muhammad, the Mahdi.

He it is who will be Khalifa and King of the time, and as he will belong to the Koraish, his real object will be to kill all non-Muslims except those who readily recite the Kalima. Jesus (on whom be peace) will come down in order to help him in his work; and although Jesus himself (on whom be peace) will be a Mahdi - nay, a greater Mahdi - yet, because it is essential that the Khalifa of the time should be a Koraish, Jesus (on whom be peace) will not be the Khalifa of the time; the Khalifa of the time will be that same Muhammad, the Mahdi.

Muslims say that these two together will fill the earth with the blood of man, and they will shed more blood than has ever been shed before in the history of the world. No sooner will they appear than they will start this bloody campaign; they will neither preach nor plead, nor show any sign.

And they also say that although Jesus (on whom be peace) will be like an adviser or a lieutenant of Imam Muhammad, the Mahdi, and although the reins of power will be in the hands of the Mahdi only, Jesus (on whom be peace) will instigate Hazrat Imam Muhammad, the Mahdi, to massacre the whole world and will advise him to adopt extreme measures, i.e. he will make amends for the humane teaching which he had given to the world before, namely, ‘not to resist evil,’ and, being struck on one cheek, ‘to turn the other cheek also.’

alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/intro.html

Thanks

Interesting, I do need some times to ponder about that. But, coming back to your famous word “no compulsion”, why do you say that you are having your Jihad with pen (with keyboard if I may corrected you)?

 

[paarsurrey]

Interesting, I do need some times to ponder about that. But, coming back to your famous word “no compulsion”, why do you say that you are having your Jihad with pen (with keyboard if I may corrected you)?

Hi

I think,pen is here symbolic; now we write with the keyboard, it means peacefully without compulsion.

i love Jesus , Mary and Second Coming 1835-1908

Thanks

 

[R_not]

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4791518&postcount=163
I believe Jesus was never a god who became man

Why bother with a 2nd coming in islam? You guys have predestination - you are already destined for heaven or hell.

Why do you guys offer your kids up to kill/die for allah? You are predestined already?

Why do you guys worship rocks that have consciousness to speak for you on Judgement Day? You are predestined already?

Why do you guys do anything? You are predestined already?

 

[chrisse]

I’m sure paarsurrey is on here only to proselytise. This goes for our other muslim contributors, but paarsurrey is way over the bounds.

 

[Cluny]

What paarsurrey believes bears no resemblance to either truth or reality.

Read this site for evidence that Madhi is just another name for Antichrist.

al-mahdi.atspace.com/index.html