Immaculate Conception and Oriental Catholics

[Little_Boy_Lost]

In my casual reading of several oriental calendars I noticed the terms “Holy Day of Obligation” was use to denote high and great feasts of the church and the inclusion of the Feast of the Immaculate Conception in the liturgical calendar.

Which Oriental Churches celebrate the Immaculate conception feast, how is it understood by them, and what were the factors in choosing to elevate and celebrate it liturgically?

Also, how prevalent is the term “Holy Day of Obligation” in the East? I know some byzantine jurisdictions don’t use it or prefer not to, and others do. Do all or most of the oriental catholics use this term?

Thanks!

 

[Formosus]

In the UGCC, the Conception of St. Ann is on December 9th is not a “holy day of obligation”. We do not call it the feast of the Immaculate conception, but rather go with the traditional Byzantine name for the feast.

 

[ConstantineTG]

In the UGCC, the Conception of St. Ann is on December 9th is not a “holy day of obligation”. We do not call it the feast of the Immaculate conception, but rather go with the traditional Byzantine name for the feast.

In North America, we (UGCC) are permitted to celebrate it on December 8 as a sign of unity with our Roman Catholic brethren who is the majority of Catholics in North America. I remember I attended Divine Liturgy on the 8th of December and the feast was celebrated by the Bishop (he normally celebrates only on feast days).

 

[Formosus]

In the archeparchy of Philadelphia and its sufragen eparchies, it is celebrated on the 9th.

 

[Little_Boy_Lost]

Thanks, but I was hoping to hear how it is treated by the Oriental Catholics (Copts, Syriacs, Armenians, Malankara) and the Chaldeans & Malabars.

 

[ciero]

In North America, we (UGCC) are permitted to celebrate it on December 8 as a sign of unity with our Roman Catholic brethren who is the majority of Catholics in North America. I remember I attended Divine Liturgy on the 8th of December and the feast was celebrated by the Bishop (he normally celebrates only on feast days).

NICE! More Latinizations! Isnt that just wonderful? As far as the Orientals in communion with Rome I believe that ALL celebrate this feast on the 8th as a holy day of “obligation”. Isn’t it just wonderful how we have all been so Latinized?

 

[Little_Boy_Lost]

NICE! More Latinizations! Isnt that just wonderful? As far as the Orientals in communion with Rome I believe that ALL celebrate this feast on the 8th as a holy day of “obligation”. Isn’t it just wonderful how we have all been so Latinized?

That may be true, but i wonder how much of this latinization is self-depreciation and wanted to be accepted and how much is forced or coerced upon them both in history and currently by the Latin Hierarchy?

Which byzantine churches celebrate it?

 

[Harpazo]

My former Maronite priest (when I was EC) wrote his Master’s thesis on why the IC is not compatible with Syriac Theology. Ironically, he made his presentation in front of the Oblates of the Immaculate Conception at the Dominican House in D.C. They were impressed with his work and recommended him to study in Rome, which he did for 3 years. Apparently views to the contrary of the Latins are tolerated, perhaps even encouraged.

In Christ,
Andrew

 

[ciero]

That may be true, but i wonder how much of this latinization is self-depreciation and wanted to be accepted and how much is forced or coerced upon them both in history and currently by the Latin Hierarchy?

Which byzantine churches celebrate it?

The Feast of the Conception by St Anna is celebrated by all the Byzantine churches.

 

[Little_Boy_Lost]

Ah yes. I think it should be the conception of Mary no? Wasn’t she the one conceived? And not St. Anne?

I was referring to the Feast in the Roman Catholic sense.

 

[Formosus]

It’s the conception of st. Ann because she was the one conceiving Mary.

 

[ciero]

It’s the conception of st. Ann because she was the one conceiving Mary.

The Feast is the Conception BY St Anna.

Traditionally this feast was celebrated on the 9th of December in ALL Rites…for some reason the Latins changed it to the 8th and then most Eastern Catholic churches changed it as well to be more like the Latins.

 

[Formosus]

I could have sworn I have seen it titled “of” before. I think I remember seeing the feast called that at a Greek orthodox church no less.

 

[ClamDigger]

The Feast is the Conception BY St Anna.

Traditionally this feast was celebrated on the 9th of December in ALL Rites…for some reason the Latins changed it to the 8th and then most Eastern Catholic churches changed it as well to be more like the Latins.

I think it is called both?
From the Catholic Encyclopedia:

The older feast of the Conception of Mary (Conception of St. Anne), which originated in the monasteries of Palestine at least as early as the seventh century, and the modern feast of the Immaculate Conception are not identical in their object.

 

[Little_Boy_Lost]

My former Maronite priest (when I was EC) wrote his Master’s thesis on why the IC is not compatible with Syriac Theology. Ironically, he made his presentation in front of the Oblates of the Immaculate Conception at the Dominican House in D.C. They were impressed with his work and recommended him to study in Rome, which he did for 3 years. Apparently views to the contrary of the Latins are tolerated, perhaps even encouraged.

In Christ,
Andrew

Is there anyway to acquire this paper?