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Happy Feast of the Immaculate Conception!!
Yes, let me second this.Happy Feast of the Immaculate Conception!!
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The Wonders of Science
12/7/2004 9:02:00 PM - Steve Kellmeyer
The Wonders of Science
A few weeks ago, I attended a philosophical debate on the merits of abortion. Shortly after the discussion began, I pointed out that this act destroyed a human person.
“Do you have proof of that?” asked several members of the panel simultaneously.
“Of course,” I replied, “proof that cannot be controverted.”
“What proof would that be?”
“The declaration of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception,” I replied.
“That’s not proof!” they shouted.
“Oh, but it is,” said I, and proceeded to demonstrate how.
Back to the Beginning
This brings us back to the problem of the human person and the human embryo. It is important to remember that the word “person” is a religious term. It was taken over from the Greek word for the mask worn by a stage actor during the Greek plays. Tertullian used it first in a religious sense in the late 2nd century in order to describe how God exists in himself. Boethius defined it in the sixth century and Aquinas explained the ramifications of the definition in the twelfth century.
If modern society is serious about separating church from state, then the state must surrender its use of the word “person.” It has no more or less a place in the secular vocabulary than does the God whom it is meant to describe. But all of this does not answer the first question. How do we know a person exists at conception?
Simple. We know that human persons begin at the moment of conception because Mary has always been understood to have been immaculately conceived. Now, the Immaculate Conception means only that she had no stain of original sin upon her at the moment she came into existence. Only persons can sin. Chairs, stones, trees, dogs none of these can sin because none of them are persons. So, if we say Mary was free from sin at the moment of conception, we are simultaneously saying Mary was a person at the moment of conception. Since she is only a human person and no different from the rest of us (apart from this lack of original sin), whatever we can say about her we can say about us.
If she is a person at the moment of conception, so is each one of us. Contrary to popular Massachusetts opinion, we know for a fact that the human person begins at conception because the science of theology tells us so, and we have two millenia of witnesses to back it up.
Isn’t science wonderful?
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I’ll take the Blessed Mother.I’ll remember John Lennon on this day instead…
**Dover Beach **I’ll remember John Lennon on this day instead…
Let it Be is a great song, great lyrics. Not their best though. Here’s a GREAT lyric written by John for his solo album in 1971:When I find myself in times of trouble
Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
And in my hour of darkness
She is standing right in front of me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
Let it be, let it be.
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.
And when the broken hearted people
Living in the world agree,
There will be an answer, let it be.
For though they may be parted there is
Still a chance that they will see
There will be an answer, let it be.
Let it be, let it be. Yeah
There will be an answer, let it be. And when the night is cloudy,
There is still a light that shines on me,
Shine on until tomorrow, let it be.
I wake up to the sound of music
Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
Let it be, let it be.
There will be an answer, let it be.
Let it be, let it be,
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
Why?I’ll remember John Lennon on this day instead…
Again–I’n not the only one and I’m sure all devout Catholics "hope someday you’ll join us!"Let it Be is a great song, great lyrics. Not their best though. Here’s a GREAT lyric written by John for his solo album in 1971:
Imagine there’s no heaven
It’s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today…
Yeah…it IS easy–that’s the point–having faith is hard–that’s why it’s a grace given by God. And people DO live for today too often. John Lennon KNOWS what “tomorrow” holds!
Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace…
Yeah… to have peace without God–I would have to be imagining!
You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will be as one
I too hope someday you will join us as we live as One with God and the communion of saints when Christ comes again in Glory!
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world…
I don’t have to imagine this–THIS is how God Created the world to begin with. This is how he intended the world to exist, but our foolishness, selfishness, and pride brought on the fall.
You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will live as one
Led Zeppelin75 said:"
It’ s called poetry, Lennon uses little words like “it’s easy”. Lennon is dead, he knows nothing anymore. He knows that with religion there is no tomorrow!
I’m sure you understood my point. I hope John is alive and well in the presence of God.
Do religious wars strike a memory?
The sins of men have nothing to do with the what God intends for us–Satan is the one who twists the goodness given us by God and leads men to do evil–even those who may claim to be doing it for good.
I don’t want to be with any hypocritacl religion anymore. It’s nonsense. Lennon knows this.
Again, evil can be done by men–we are weak, and we are also free. But God has given us all we need to know Him.
Then why doesn’t he make it happen? He IS god afterall.
He could have come down from the cross too, but he didn’t because he chose to love us by giving his life. God knows what he’s doing–maybe he’s waiting for you to come to know him. Wanna test out that theory?
I’m quite fine on my own thank you. I want to live my one and onlt life the best I can. And religion is not that way.
You have that choice. I choose to pray for you.
Peace and Love!