Immigrants in Europe

[SuperLuigi]

Here is a Catholic from India in the past was ruled and exploited by British/French/Dutch and Portuguese.

Don’t forget about Alexander the Great as well as the internal fights you’ve had over the millennia.

 

[SuperLuigi]

In the Netherlands where I live 95% of the locals stopped believing in Jesus a long time ago, ‘muslim invasion’ or not. If anyone destroyed our faith we, the dutch, have done it ourselves.

“A civilization cannot be conquered from without, until it has been conquered from within”.

In the city where i live 75% of the children born today is muslim. For the Netherlands as a whole its pushing 50%. Yes islam is going to be the biggest religion in europe, but i would not like to go back to the times of the crusades. Everyone who is on the run for war is welcome to come here imo and we should help each other instead of making war.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Church attendance, especially in the US hit a peak in the 1950s and 60s. The WWII generation loved to join things and churches were one of them, even cultural christians who were there to connect with their friends and community. Clubs: Kiwanis, Lions, Rotary, veterans clubs, etc. are declining. The club aspect of churches is also disappearing. This is not the first times church attendance has dropped off, it’s about the same percentages now as around the Revolution. There was a reason there have been multiple “Great Awakenings” in the US. Wars like the Civil War, WWI and WWI also have caused upticks in attendance.

It’s called post-modernism and it is a concerted effort to destroy Christianity.

With their low birth rate Europe is the one slowly killing itself, they need immigration period. The history of this has been covered plenty in previous posts

What they need is to get their birth rate back up and legal immigrants who can contribute to their society–not a bunch of 21 year old men of fighting age who have cell phones and throw bread on the ground demanding Euros by day and sexually harassing girls in refugee camps and the locals by night.

 

[striker_eureka9]

What they need is to get their birth rate back up and legal immigrants who can contribute to their society–not a bunch of 21 year old men of fighting age who have cell phones and throw bread on the ground demanding Euros by day and sexually harassing girls in refugee camps and the locals by night.

What they truly need is God’s guidance.
I can guarantee that accepting Africans and Arabians will do more harm than good. Europe doesn’t need them to reproduce. And I haven’t heard of locals harassing girls in refugee camps, but I have heard many times that plenty of these immigrants are harassing locals. Europe’s crime rate insanely increased when the “refugees” are accepted. If some people from other continent who are willing to help increase Europe’s birth rate, i think it’s okay but who can say ?

With their low birth rate Europe is the one slowly killing itself, they need immigration period. The history of this has been covered plenty in previous posts

I believe that they do not need immigration period. They need The Holy Spirit’s gift of Understanding and/or Wisdom, and they can get all that if they follow God faithfully. Again, accepting “refugees” will do more harm than good.

 

[Ontheway]

Why did Europe discontinue practicing practicing Christianity? After all God did for them. I barely see youths in the churches there. They became lost in the pleasures of evil. I’m not saying that other continents practice more but Europe should be the one practicing the most because of their history.

Judge me and call me racist but I believe that these immigrants are destroying Europe slowly. I think that the muslims acting as “refugees” are in a process of conquering them.

This is rather obvious. Just go to East London.

 

[michaelArc]

As someone that lives in The Netherlands, I would like to offer my (name removed by moderator)ut.

Firstly, I highly doubt that muslim immigrants, even a tiny minority have any intentions to make Europe into Eurabia. They are simply looking to support their families and provide opportunity for their children. People are people and many don’t look beyond the week, let alone having such ambitions into converting a continent.

I firmly believe that borders do matter, that national autonomy like individual autonomy matters. It’s an essential part of our existence and I consider it to be sacred. But the current secularist view that has infiltrated every facet of our society will quash this discussion and conveniently dismiss it as being islamophobic.

At the risk of being labelled a conspiracy theorist, IMO this is all a part of a hidden agenda. The elite want to sterilize europe, blur national borders and dissolve ethnic culture. The (forced) refugee crisis is designed for this purpose. In order to usher in a new economic world order, national borders must be eradicated. It’s a known fact that people like David Rockefeller was an open partisan to a one world order, and he and his elitist ilk will stop at nothing in order for this to become reality.

The European Commission is too incompetent to deal with the migration crisis while I wouldn’t doubt that there are some sinister intentions in government. This can be assumed by the fact that they dismiss democratic processes while they threaten and blackmail European nations with austerity measures and sanctions if they don’t fall in line.

I have little hope that government can represent our rights and protect our national sovereignty. But I do have hope when I read about muslim conversions in Europe. My parish is used by Syriac Orthodox community and the Roman Catholic of Opus Dei. I know they do a great deal in helping migrants. As Christians, we need to do our part being compassionate and charitable to those in need and that certainly includes refugees whether they are muslim or not.

 

[michaelArc]

As someone that lives in The Netherlands, I would like to offer my (name removed by moderator)ut.

Firstly, I highly doubt that muslim immigrants, even a tiny minority have any intentions to make Europe into Eurabia. They are simply looking to support their families and provide opportunity for their children. People are people and many refugees don’t look beyond the week, let alone having such ambitions into converting a continent.

I firmly believe that borders do matter, that national autonomy like individual autonomy matters. It’s an essential part of our existence and I consider it to be sacred. But the current secularist view that has infiltrated every facet of our society will quash this discussion and conveniently dismiss it as being islamophobic.

At the risk of being labelled a conspiracy theorist, IMO this is all a part of a hidden agenda. The elite want to sterilize europe, blur national borders and dissolve ethnic culture. The (forced) refugee crisis is designed for this purpose. In order to usher in a new economic world order, national borders must be eradicated. It’s a known fact that people like David Rockefeller was an open partisan to a one world order, and he and his elitist ilk will stop at nothing in order for this to become reality.

The European Commission is too incompetent to deal with the migration crisis while I wouldn’t doubt that there are some sinister intentions in government. This can be assumed by the fact that they dismiss democratic processes while they threaten and blackmail European nations with austerity measures and sanctions if they don’t fall in line.

I have little hope that government can represent our rights and protect our national sovereignty. But I do have hope when I read about muslim conversions in Europe. My parish is used by Syriac Orthodox community and the Roman Catholic of Opus Dei. I know they do a great deal in helping migrants. As Christians, we need to do our part being compassionate and charitable to those in need and that certainly includes refugees whether they are muslim or not.

 

[striker_eureka9]

Firstly, I highly doubt that muslim immigrants, even a tiny minority have any intentions to make Europe into Eurabia. They are simply looking to support their families and provide opportunity for their children. People are people and many don’t look beyond the week, let alone having such ambitions into converting a continent.

You are blessed that you live in a country and a continent so beautiful. I have been living in a muslim country in Middle East for nearly 8 years and I can assure you that they have intentions. I guarantee. They want to spread their religion, and that I am 100% sure.

There are lots and insane news here that is not going there. We keep our mouths shut since they may… you know… do something very horrible.

I can’t make you believe me but they say numerous lies. Where I live is hell for devout Christians. They look at devout Christians as dogs and infidels.

For how many centuries they have tried to conquer the west. This may be one of their plans. To go there as refugees and make Europeans pity them.
I tell you, these people are more dangerous than you think

As Christians, we need to do our part being compassionate and charitable to those in need and that certainly includes refugees whether they are muslim or not.

I agree on that. As Christians, we must love others and forgive them as Christ did. But our Lord is wise, we should be too.
We should be cautious about these people. We should love but we must be wise.

They use your “equality” against you. They use your virtues against you.

I pray for all of you

God bless us all…

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I put myself in danger by writing this

 

[Ontheway]

You are blessed that you live in a country and a continent so beautiful. I have been living in a muslim country in Middle East for nearly 8 years and I can assure you that they have intentions. I guarantee. They want to spread their religion, and that I am 100% sure.

There are lots and insane news here that is not going there. We keep our mouths shut since they may… you know… do something very horrible.

I can’t make you believe me but they say numerous lies. Where I live is hell for devout Christians. They look at devout Christians as dogs and infidels.

For how many centuries they have tried to conquer the west. This may be one of their plans. To go there as refugees and make Europeans pity them.
I tell you, these people are more dangerous than you think

I agree on that. As Christians, we must love others and forgive them as Christ did. But our Lord is wise, we should be too.
We should be cautious about these people. We should love but we must be wise.

They use your “equality” against you. They use your virtues against you.

I pray for all of you

God bless us all…

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I put myself in danger by writing this

Having liver there as well, I agree. Even the most liberal muslims take it for granted that they will conquer the world and convert everyone. MOst will not say it openly, but many do.

 

[Exennial]

How strange that the Vatican implores us to accept immigrants, and criticizes Trump about the wall, but the Vatican is the most walled nation on earth.

 

[SuperLuigi]

How strange that the Vatican implores us to accept immigrants, and criticizes Trump about the wall, but the Vatican is the most walled nation on earth.

This point is getting pounded until the cows come home, and rightfully so.

If the Vatican is going to wade into political matters, it had better do its homework and anticipate these responses.

The fact is walls are built in the modern era because they work to regulate the flow of persons for good and for ill.

And the Vatican has benefited because Italy has actually been more proactive than Germany and France about deporting and keeping out terrorists. Other trafficking has sadly been a different story which involves African human traffickers, the mafia and even do-gooder NGOs.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Having liver there as well, I agree. Even the most liberal muslims take it for granted that they will conquer the world and convert everyone. MOst will not say it openly, but many do.

The problem with this is that even most well-meaning Muslims will not stick their necks out under sharia law to protect minority groups or groups without representation in power. It’s not unique to Islam and is just a historical constant that really won’t change.

 

[Exennial]

This point is getting pounded until the cows come home, and rightfully so.

If the Vatican is going to wade into political matters, it had better do its homework and anticipate these responses.

The fact is walls are built in the modern era because they work to regulate the flow of persons for good and for ill.

And the Vatican has benefited because Italy has actually been more proactive than Germany and France about deporting and keeping out terrorists. Other trafficking has sadly been a different story which involves African human traffickers, the mafia and even do-gooder NGOs.

Amen, and people forget that CCC 2241 is two paragraphs, and not one sentence:

2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants’ duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.

When will Catholics realize that it’s not such a sin to place reasonable limits on immigration? When will Catholics realize the Trojan Horse, and the ulterior motives of Islam?

Also, personally, I think the Catholic Church in the USA is soft on immigration because so many Catholic Americans are Hispanic, and bishops get government money.

 

[Theo520]

With their low birth rate Europe is the one slowly killing itself, they need immigration period. The history of this has been covered plenty in previous posts

I find people repeatedly stating this outcome as fact ingenuousness. Saying something repeatedly doesn’t make it truthful.

A stable to slight reduction in population is not evil, it doesn’t even mean their standard of living will decline. Isn’t a stable population better in terms of our limited global resources?

With increased levels of automation, their GDP will likely continue to rise in spite of reduced numbers.

 

[Ontheway]

The problem with this is that even most well-meaning Muslims will not stick their necks out under sharia law to protect minority groups or groups without representation in power. It’s not unique to Islam and is just a historical constant that really won’t change.

This type of “sticking up for minority groups” is possible only in the West. In most Islamic countries, even the most “liberal” ones, the concept of competing ideologies or different schools of philosophy does not exist. There is one ideology which governs religion, law, social custom, etc. There is no room for interpretation.

On the individual, personal level, a Muslim is likely to help their Christian neighbor in need. That is a given. But there are no mechanisms or traditions for such action on a societal level. In this sense they are like any other dictatorship we know. (Soviet Union, nazi Germany, etc.)

 

[SuperLuigi]

I find people repeatedly stating this outcome as fact ingenuousness. Saying something repeatedly doesn’t make it truthful.

A stable to slight reduction in population is not evil, it doesn’t even mean their standard of living will decline. Isn’t a stable population better in terms of our limited global resources?

With increased levels of automation, their GDP will likely continue to rise in spite of reduced numbers.

The “limited global resources” is a myth pushed by progressives with a population control agenda that melts like butter if places with the highest birthrates frown on it or call it culturally insensitive.

Population decline in the First World with all of the cradle-to-grave big government mentality will mean an eventual economic collapse.

 

[Theo520]

The “limited global resources” is a myth pushed by progressives with a population control agenda that melts like butter if places with the highest birthrates frown on it or call it culturally insensitive.

Population decline in the First World with all of the cradle-to-grave big government mentality will mean an eventual economic collapse.

Hey, I was just trying to use their own talking points against them,
maybe help them recognize the futility of their logic.

Arguing for both depopulation and mass immigration is hypocritical.