Immigration Rallies Planned Nationwide

[Verisimilitude]

Let us be clear who initiated her or the US government?

Actually it is a mixed relationship, so both initiate. The US will list the need or desire for certain immigrants, those that qualify, apply.
messersmithlaw.com/work-visa/h1c-visa.html

The H1C visa is for nurses who wishes to work in health professional shortage areas. Only 500 H1C visas are granted annually. The visa is valid for three years and cannot be extended. In order to qualify for the H1C visa, the nurse must be licensed or have obtained a nursing degree in the US and pass the NCLEX-RN exam.

Look, 500 invitations by the US government for nurses!

Other invitees:

The H2A visa is designated for individuals who will be employed as seasonal farm workers temporarily. The H2A visa may be issued for a period up to one year and may be extended for a three year total duration. There is no numerical limit to the number of H2A visas issued. A single petition may be used to sponsor a large number of H2A visas if:…

No limit…wow.

The H2B visa is designated for individuals who will be employed in a nonagricultural positions which are seasonal, intermittent or a one time occurrence… For whom is a H2B Visa appropriate?
US. companies hiring foreign nationals to perform temporary work for which no US workers are available.

Invited with conditions seems fair, doesn’t it?

The O1 visa is designated for aliens of extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts, education, business or athletics. The O1 visa is very helpful for artists, athletes, entertainers, high-end chefs, and business people lacking professional degrees. There is no prevailing wage requirement, the O1 visa may be extended indefinitely and there is no numerical limit to the number of O1 visas issued.

Seems like the US government is putting out the invitations as much as people asking to be invited. Now that we have established who does the inviting; what was your point, or would you like to move on to your next issue?

 

[Ituyu]

Actually it is a mixed relationship, so both initiate. The US will list the need or desire for certain immigrants, those that qualify, apply.

messersmithlaw.com/work-visa/h1c-visa.html

 

[Verisimilitude]

Are these conditions or “needs”? It seems that the government has done a swell job of identifying a number of skilled positions in short supply. But, what of the unskilled? Seems that the government has not done such a good job of identifying the “need” for their labor. Are the invitations in the mail?

 

[seekerz]

I’d like to see the figures either way: is there a net gain or loss to the economy?

 

[Texas_Roofer]

I’d like to see the figures either way: is there a net gain or loss to the economy?

This is not figures however you may want to read it anyway

independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1727#1

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Actually it is a mixed relationship, so both initiate. The US will list the need or desire for certain immigrants, those that qualify, apply.
messersmithlaw.com/work-visa/h1c-visa.html

Look, 500 invitations by the US government for nurses!

Other invitees:

No limit…wow.

Invited with conditions seems fair, doesn’t it?

Seems like the US government is putting out the invitations as much as people asking to be invited. Now that we have established who does the inviting; what was your point, or would you like to move on to your next issue?

???
Is Messersmith a branch of the government I do not know of? Where is the word invitation used by the US Government? Who got invited? ( I do not see a single name)

Are you trying to say any non US citizen wishing to move in to the US should apply to the US government for permission to do so?

 

[Verisimilitude]

???
Is Messersmith a branch of the government I do not know of? Where is the word invitation used by the US Government? Who got invited? ( I do not see a single name)

You’re being too simplistic, and possibly obtuse on purpose.

Are you trying to say any non US citizen wishing to move in to the US should apply to the US government for permission to do so?

Yes. (You like people to ask permission to enter your house don’t you- why should the border be different?)

 

[Texas_Roofer]

You’re being too simplistic, and possibly obtuse on purpose.

Yes. (You like people to ask permission to enter your house don’t you- why should the border be different?)

So at this point can we dispense with the idea the US is actually inviting people? Can we replace it with only people who actively seek to enter into the US are considered and then the US government uses a variety of factors in determining whether or not to grant access by issuing a green card. Would this also mean poor people from poorly educated countries will have little if any chance to legally enter the US and improve their lives.

Assuming you accept this would you like to pick the next accusation which will be evaluated?

 

[Verisimilitude]

So at this point can we dispense with the idea the US is actually inviting people?

You can if you like. I actually know immigrants. I know a Syrian family, an Etheopian family, a Mexican couple, Israeli couple…not to mention my wife and (currently visiting) in-laws (family-all practicing Catholics); these I know have taken the oath to this nation, renouncing their alliegence to their home country; each followed the rules that often took years.

It is they who tell me they felt invited when they became a legal US Citizen, and it is they who tell me they feel cheated by the potential amnesty-again; cheapening what they worked hard for and feel deeply. Their names are on the lists you are looking for.

Willy Wonka put invitations in chocolate bars. Only those who found them were invited to the chocolate factory.

Can we replace it with only people who actively seek to enter into the US are considered and then the US government uses a variety of factors in determining whether or not to grant access by issuing a green card.

OK. With a few edits/clarifications:

Can we replace it (it = legal immigration) with only people who actively seek to enter into the US (legally) are considered and then the US government uses a variety of factors (following the law) in determining whether or not to grant access (THE INVITATION) by issuing a green card.

Would this also mean poor people from poorly educated countries will have little if any chance to legally enter the US and improve their lives.

Poor is relative. If you haven’t noticed, the streets of America are not really paved with gold. It’s hard for a lot of people here legally and by birth. Everyone I mentioned above arrived here poor, most are still poor by some standards here, but all are wealthy by the standards compared to what they come from.

My parents, my brothers and sisters…they will be glad to hear someone thinks they are wealthy.

Do you think it unreasonable to request a foreign born individual check in with the Government before trying to settle down and improve their lives? Is it unreasonable to ask if they have an infectious disease or ask if they ever killed, raped, or abused anyone?

Texas, I got immigrants living in my house. I’m all for people improving their lives. And it isn’t a matter of “I got mine=now close the door”. What other laws do you feel obsolete that you currently ignore? Should we legalize drugs, or prostitution? If the US border means nothing, why should the property line between my house and my neighbors?

Do you think the kind of false identification fraud that exists today is a good thing? You think giving amnesty to 20+M people who practiced ID fraud with no penalty will embolden them to be honest now?

Assuming you accept this would you like to pick the next accusation which will be evaluated?

If you accept my edits; and you accused me knucklehead…of something. You weren’t very specific. I then gave some specifics, and you want to disect the word invitation.

 

[Ituyu]

What part of the H2A visa was unclear to you? All they have to do is properly identify themselves and abide by the stipulations of the visa. Why are you against that?

The “unskilled” have limitations placed on them through entirely arbitrary policies. The H2A only covers agricultural workers. What about construction workers, maids, nurses aids, meat processing, fabrication and manufacturing jobs etc. etc. that are NOT covered by the H2A?

This topic is largely about them spoiling the party.

Spoiling the party? Without them we’d have a mess on our hands.

No embarrassment except on the part of employers who also break the rules, and the invitations were always there. My brother is in a profession directly affected by illegals- because they work for such low wages and no benefits he can no longer get them. Illegals are lowering the playing field for legal citizens. Why aren’t you embarrassed by that?

The embarrassment in our myopic tendencies to not make legalization a reality for the workers we know that we need. What is the excuse to block assimilation to those who have been productive and have become an integral part of our economy? You say that you’re against the lowering of the playing field while legalization through immigration reform would level the playing field. And, while I empathize for your brother’s situation, we need to do more to prepare people like he who have trouble competing with those who can barely speak English, much less read and write it.

Show your data and facts. When you do also include the costs of healthcare, education, and crime due to illegal, undocumented, ecconomic refugees that offsets this gain you claim is there.

aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=17944

Illegal workers: good for U.S. economy
The U.S. has benefited from illegal immigrants, most economists say, though some low-skilled workers have been hurt.

money.cnn.com/2006/05/01/news/economy/immigration_economy/index.htm?cnn=yes

nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html?ei=5090&en=78c87ac4641dc383&ex=1270353600&partner=kmarx&pagewanted=all&position

The above are used only as illustration to support a point. I hesitate to use statistics because there are an array of studies performed by special interest groups that take information and come up with conclusions different from the consensus of the vast majority of economists. Any study that contradicts our economists is questionable. I don’t rely on studies that address only “costs” because that is not the way we usually make decisions. When we invest in anything we usually consider all the factors. What do Americans buy or invest in that considers only “costs”? Consequently, I rely on the consensus of experts eventhough there may be a few who disagree but that is afterall what a consensus means.

Your position accepts a third world underclass in America that prefers these immigrants to get here by hook or crook. It is you who accepts families walking across dangerous deserts, or being smuggled in by unventilated trucks.

No, I prefer that people be allowed to come here safely and legally without undue restrictions caused by arbitrary laws.

The first step in assimilating is obeying the law like the rest of us do and that starts on their side of the border.

No the first step is in making sound policies with laws that serve a legitimate purpose and that operate consistent to the Rule of Law and not Rule BY Law. That starts here at home!

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Facts will not disprove God no matter how hard they try.

 

[Ituyu]

I’d like to see the figures either way: is there a net gain or loss to the economy?

While there are a few economists that believe that immigration, both legal and illegal cost us too much, most of these do so by considering “costs” only. One thing they almost never do is consider the costs of being without their labor. Most economists believe that immigrants, again both legal and illegal, are responsible for the healthy rate of growth of our economy and do not feel mass deportation would be a good idea EVEN if it were possible. And, virtually all experts agree that mass deportation is NOT possible. One interesting idea that the anti immigrant movement has been espousing lately is the idea of “self deportation” but we already have that. It’s called the law of Supply and Demand. When the Supply satisfies the Demand workers stop coming and many leave. It’s a phenomenon that has ALWAYS worked without additional outrageous costs. That is one reason why all of Mexico is not living on this side of the border. There however elements of our current policy that make it very difficult for people to return to Mexico.

 

[Verisimilitude]

The “unskilled” have limitations placed on them through entirely arbitrary policies. The H2A only covers agricultural workers. What about construction workers, maids, nurses aids, meat processing, fabrication and manufacturing jobs etc. etc. that are NOT covered by the H2A

The laws are not arbitray but very specific. It is those very trades that have been hurt by the illegal workers. Basic ecconomics.

Spoiling the party? Without them we’d have a mess on our hands.

Myth.

The embarrassment in our myopic tendencies to not make legalization a reality for the workers we know that we need.

What if they just want to work and not be legal? Many don’t. What about the ones who prefer to work under the table and avoid taxes, or employers who pay that way to avoid taxes or to cheat them?

What is the excuse to block assimilation to those who have been productive and have become an integral part of our economy?

I’m not blocking it! Why am I then having to press one for English, and paying for dual language signs in every store? I am not marching in the streets with another nations flag and disrespecting this nation.

Do they all really want to assimilate?

The Mexican National Anthem was played at a CSU Pueblo baseball game on Sunday and now school officials are taking some heat over it.
kktv.com/news/headlines/7284341.html

You say that you’re against the lowering of the playing field while legalization through immigration reform would level the playing field.

It lowers it, not levels it. It’s unfair.

And, while I empathize for your brother’s situation, we need to do more to prepare people like he who have trouble competing with those who can barely speak English, much less read and write it.

My brother is a meat cutter- one of the trades you listed above. My best friend was a cook. I manage construction projects so I see how it has effected all trades. My brother and my best friend are competing against timid shadow workers. Why should they retrain just becasue illegal scabs do it for less?

They (illegals) need to reform their own home country instead of reformong mine to suit them.

Who is moving into all these new houses, buying these new things? Have you seen the foreclosure rates lately?
bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=alXig2Cqe.rA&refer=home

Illegal workers: good for U.S. economy
The U.S. has benefited from illegal immigrants, most economists say, though some low-skilled workers have been hurt.

cis.org/articles/2004/back1104.html

Compared to 1864? Come on.

money.cnn.com/2006/05/01/news/economy/immigration_economy/index.htm?cnn=yes

nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html?ei=5090&en=78c87ac4641dc383&ex=1270353600&partner=kmarx&pagewanted=all&position

They even say it must be fixed, law breakers should be punished. But none of them say how to keep it from happening again and I don;t think you or they want to stop it.

The above are used only as illustration to support a point. I hesitate to use statistics because there are an array of studies performed by special interest groups that take information and come up with conclusions different from the consensus of the vast majority of economists. Any study that contradicts our economists is questionable. I don’t rely on studies that address only “costs” because that is not the way we usually make decisions. When we invest in anything we usually consider all the factors. What do Americans buy or invest in that considers only “costs”? Consequently, I rely on the consensus of experts eventhough there may be a few who disagree but that is afterall what a consensus means.

No, I prefer that people be allowed to come here safely and legally without undue restrictions caused by arbitrary laws.

Define arbitrary? What other laws are arbitrary to you: drugs, speeding, abortion? Are you a US citizen?

No the first step is in making sound policies with laws that serve a legitimate purpose and that operate consistent to the Rule of Law and not Rule BY Law. That starts here at home!

Is US citizenship worth anything to you? Is it everything to them? Should we make all of Mexico a US state or just those who want to come here? How about Columbia, or Bolivia? Does all of South America, all of Cuba, Africa, Spain…want to be under US law? Or should we just allow any person unrestricted access, no liability to abide by the law, to enter the US and abide by their law. I think they call that anarchy.

 

[Ituyu]

The laws are not arbitray but very specific. It is those very trades that have been hurt by the illegal workers. Basic ecconomics

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No our immigration laws are nothing if not arbitrary. Case in point, after NAFTA, we knew that there would be a spike in the needed workers from Mexico yet we did not offer realistic opportunities. We’ve consistently gone against the natural market forces and placed unrealistic limits on immigration that has increased our current “illegal” population.

It’s interesting that you would think that these jobs are seasonal/temporary. These are permanent jobs not covered by the non-immigrant H2A & H2B visas. Those visas are generated by the employers not workers and are only temporary.
There is ALWAYS displacement in our economy. Workers are displaced all the time as some opportunities disappear and others are born, BASIC ECONOMICS.

Myth

Really? If we didn’t have them who would harvest our food, care for our children, clean our cities, and build our homes etc. etc.?

What if they just want to work and not be legal? Many don’t. What about the ones who prefer to work under the table and avoid taxes, or employers who pay that way to avoid taxes or to cheat them?

No, I believe many do not want to become “citizens” but most want to work legally. People that work under the table do it only because that is how the employer chooses to pay. Many of the “illegal” choose to file and pay taxes.

I’m not blocking it! Why am I then having to press one for English, and paying for dual language signs in every store? I am not marching in the streets with another nations flag and disrespecting this nation.

Yes you are! By not allowing them to participate in the systems and instead live in the shadows that is exactly what you are doing.
Phone prompting, is sign of the times. You would be subject to it whether or not one of the choices was Spanish or English. Too expensive to employ is the reason we have phone prompting not people who speak Spanish.
The belief that they are disrespectful because they fly Mexican flags is nothing more than your interpretation. I’ve been those marches and I know that they do not intend to offend by flying the flag. They’ll always be of Mexican ancestry and we say so as well which is why we use the Mexican-American name. Most Americans when they see their fellow bronze skinned Americans will almost always use the term Mexican to describe them.

Do they all really want to assimilate?

Yes! All the evidence points to a population that assimilates no differently than previous immigrants.

The Mexican National Anthem was played at a CSU Pueblo baseball game on Sunday and now school officials are taking some heat over it.

http://www.kktv.com/news/headlines/7284341.html

All I know is that it is not uncommon for our anthem to be played along with others in sporting events. If the students are Mexican Nationals on student visas they are not immigrants. Under that scenario the playing of the Mexican anthem would by a sign of courtesy on our part.

 

[Ituyu]

It lowers it, not levels it. It’s unfair.

No, if you want to talk basic economics, the availability of cheaper “illegal” labor put the American worker at a disadvantage. Legalizing them level the playing field as it removes that incentive to employ them.

My brother is a meat cutter- one of the trades you listed above. My best friend was a cook. I manage construction projects so I see how it has effected all trades. My brother and my best friend are competing against timid shadow workers. Why should they retrain just becasue illegal scabs do it for less?

Again, precisely my point, legalize them and you take them out of the shadows and they will not be exploited against the American worker.

They (illegals) need to reform their own home country instead of reformong mine to suit them.

The fact of life is that we need them here and it’s fortunate for us that they are available to us since they are really very westernized already. Mexico itself is very Americanized.

Who is moving into all these new houses, buying these new things? Have you seen the foreclosure rates lately?
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p…rA&refer=home

Yes, I sold a house last year and the buyer turned around and sold it at a $100,000 profit 4 months later. That house is now for sale and the last buyer may go into foreclosure because he paid higher than the market price for that home but that had NOTHING to do with “illegal” workers.

Compared to 1864? Come on

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I don’t know about you but I can’t live in 1864. I have to live my life today.

how to keep it from happening again and I don;t think you or they want to stop it.

Lawbreakers should be punished which is why proposed Immigration Reform legislation requires that a fine be paid. And, I absolutely want to stop “illegal” immigration by allowing for the “legal” option.

Define arbitrary? What other laws are arbitrary to you: drugs, speeding, abortion? Are you a US citizen?

Laws that set quotas by pulling numbers from a hat are arbitrary! Laws that make working for a living are arbitrary. There is NOTHING inherently evil or criminal about an honest job.

 

[Ituyu]

Is US citizenship worth anything to you? Is it everything to them? Should we make all of Mexico a US state or just those who want to come here? How about Columbia, or Bolivia? Does all of South America, all of Cuba, Africa, Spain…want to be under US law? Or should we just allow any person unrestricted access, no liability to abide by the law, to enter the US and abide by their law. I think they call that anarchy.

We are free to set policies that will allow for the workers that we need. At present, they come from Mexico and in the future they will come from elsewhere. The pattern has always been that each wave of immigrants is followed by a new and different wave of immigrants. We need to make it possible for them to do so in orderly and legal fashion. That is not “anarchy” that is common sense.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

You can if you like. I actually know immigrants. I know a Syrian family, an Etheopian family, a Mexican couple, Israeli couple…not to mention my wife and (currently visiting) in-laws (family-all practicing Catholics); these I know have taken the oath to this nation, renouncing their alliegence to their home country; each followed the rules that often took years.

It is they who tell me they felt invited when they became a legal US Citizen, and it is they who tell me they feel cheated by the potential amnesty-again; cheapening what they worked hard for and feel deeply. Their names are on the lists you are looking for.

Willy Wonka put invitations in chocolate bars. Only those who found them were invited to the chocolate factory.

OK. With a few edits/clarifications:

Can we replace it (it = legal immigration) with only people who actively seek to enter into the US (legally) are considered and then the US government uses a variety of factors (following the law) in determining whether or not to grant access (THE INVITATION) by issuing a green card.

Poor is relative. If you haven’t noticed, the streets of America are not really paved with gold. It’s hard for a lot of people here legally and by birth. Everyone I mentioned above arrived here poor, most are still poor by some standards here, but all are wealthy by the standards compared to what they come from.

My parents, my brothers and sisters…they will be glad to hear someone thinks they are wealthy.

Do you think it unreasonable to request a foreign born individual check in with the Government before trying to settle down and improve their lives? Is it unreasonable to ask if they have an infectious disease or ask if they ever killed, raped, or abused anyone?

Texas, I got immigrants living in my house. I’m all for people improving their lives. And it isn’t a matter of “I got mine=now close the door”. What other laws do you feel obsolete that you currently ignore? Should we legalize drugs, or prostitution? If the US border means nothing, why should the property line between my house and my neighbors?

Do you think the kind of false identification fraud that exists today is a good thing? You think giving amnesty to 20+M people who practiced ID fraud with no penalty will embolden them to be honest now?

If you accept my edits; and you accused me knucklehead…of something. You weren’t very specific. I then gave some specifics, and you want to disect the word invitation.

Wow do you feel better now? It does not appear you are past this issue, maybe it would be simpler if you simply show the invitation any one of the “people in our house” or “immigrants you know” received? Why is that so hard, surely if these poor people were going about their life in the original country and one day a invitation arrived in the mail ( or was it a phone call) asking them to leave their home and travel for the rest of their life to the US, they would have held on to that paper. But yet it seems incredibly hard to find this paper why?

 

[Verisimilitude]

No our immigration laws are nothing if not arbitrary. Case in point, after NAFTA, we knew that there would be a spike in the needed workers from Mexico yet we did not offer realistic opportunities. We’ve consistently gone against the natural market forces and placed unrealistic limits on immigration that has increased our current “illegal” population

Take it up with the US politicians. I write them often.

It’s interesting that you would think that these jobs are seasonal/temporary. These are permanent jobs not covered by the non-immigrant H2A & H2B visas. Those visas are generated by the employers not workers and are only temporary.

Don’t break the law, change it. See above.

There is ALWAYS displacement in our economy. Workers are displaced all the time as some opportunities disappear and others are born, BASIC ECONOMICS

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True, and the job loss/displacement should first be offered to legal residents, not scabs.

Really? If we didn’t have them who would harvest our food, care for our children, clean our cities, and build our homes etc. etc?

Really! Americans who are out of work or the legal residents will work the fileds. I did when I was younger. As far as caring for our children a parent should do that and not stick them in day care.

No, I believe many do not want to become “citizens” but most want to work legally. People that work under the table do it only because that is how the employer chooses to pay. Many of the “illegal” choose to file and pay taxes.

If they want to work legally- follow the law. If you do not like the law, vote in someone who will change it or you run for office. They do not choose to file and pay atxes. Many are forced to now. It is a government scam against them. It is you who tolerate it, not me.

Yes you are! By not allowing them to participate in the systems and instead live in the shadows that is exactly what you are doing.

I want them to participate legally. Why is that so difficult to grasp?

Phone prompting, is sign of the times. You would be subject to it whether or not one of the choices was Spanish or English. Too expensive to employ is the reason we have phone prompting not people who speak Spanish.

Dumb. Who is assimilating who?

The belief that they are disrespectful because they fly Mexican flags is nothing more than your interpretation. I’ve been those marches and I know that they do not intend to offend by flying the flag. They’ll always be of Mexican ancestry and we say so as well which is why we use the Mexican-American name. Most Americans when they see their fellow bronze skinned Americans will almost always use the term Mexican to describe them.

The belief is a fact. They do offend when they say they want to the Southwest “given” back to Mexico. It is offensive when the Mexican national anthem is played in lieu of America’s at sporting events. It is you who project racism, I never once said anything about the skin color which is similar to my wifes.

Yes! All the evidence points to a population that assimilates no differently than previous immigrants.

Wrong. The last 3 generations of immigrants has seen America changing to make them feel more at home- in my home. When the Polish immigrants came to America early last century they insited their kids learn english, abide by the law, and were invited to be Americans. Now immigrants sneak in and demand what they refuse to demand from their own countries.

All I know is that it is not uncommon for our anthem to be played along with others in sporting events. If the students are Mexican Nationals on student visas they are not immigrants. Under that scenario the playing of the Mexican anthem would by a sign of courtesy on our part.

They are Mexican nationals here illegally, going to US schools. The reason for the “technical difficulties” was becasue they did not intend to play the American anthem. Let them show some respect to this country.

 

[Verisimilitude]

No, if you want to talk basic economics, the availability of cheaper “illegal” labor put the American worker at a disadvantage. Legalizing them level the playing field as it removes that incentive to employ them.

You agree. it has put the American worker at a disadvantage. Lealizing them would make the next wave of illegals over the next 20 years do the same. To level the field they should obey the law. I think we went over this before.

Again, precisely my point, legalize them and you take them out of the shadows and they will not be exploited against the American worker.

Take them out of the shadows now so they no longer exploit the American worker as you noted they do above.

The fact of life is that we need them here and it’s fortunate for us that they are available to us since they are really very westernized already. Mexico itself is very Americanized.

America is becoming Mexicanized. The corrption they run from in Mexico is here. Stop it now.

Yes, I sold a house last year and the buyer turned around and sold it at a $100,000 profit 4 months later. That house is now for sale and the last buyer may go into foreclosure because he paid higher than the market price for that home but that had NOTHING to do with “illegal” workers.

How do you know? He could have lost his job to an illegal, or been downsized due to illegals. The illegals build the house for less, the contractor and developer reap the profits and charge Americans the same price. The American has a lower wage due to illegals undercutting the market. Now the American is under the bridge with the illegal workers. Some level playing field.

I don’t know about you but I can’t live in 1864. I have to live my life today.

No kidding, so why quote something about immigration from 1864?

Lawbreakers should be punished which is why proposed Immigration Reform legislation requires that a fine be paid. And, I absolutely want to stop “illegal” immigration by allowing for the “legal” option.

Amnesty is not punishment.

Laws that set quotas by pulling numbers from a hat are arbitrary! Laws that make working for a living are arbitrary. There is NOTHING inherently evil or criminal about an honest job.

There is something criminal about not being here legallly. There is something criminal about using false identification. You excuse this because you think the laws are unfair. Teh American way is to change the law in the manner prescribed. The Mexican way is to ignore it and bribe and suffer.

I ask again- who is assimilating who?

 

[Verisimilitude]

Wow do you feel better now? It does not appear you are past this issue, maybe it would be simpler if you simply show the invitation any one of the “people in our house” or “immigrants you know” received? Why is that so hard, surely if these poor people were going about their life in the original country and one day a invitation arrived in the mail ( or was it a phone call) asking them to leave their home and travel for the rest of their life to the US, they would have held on to that paper. But yet it seems incredibly hard to find this paper why?

I feel great. It’s not hard to show their green card, but why? I say a legal green card is the invitation. Why don’t you? Most are now legal citizens.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

I feel great. It’s not hard to show their green card, but why? I say a legal green card is the invitation. Why don’t you? Most are now legal citizens.

Did they receive the “Green Card” as an unsolicited offer ?