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And you are a senior member here? Lol. Sad, very sad.
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oh that is sweet thank you
ah no…i argue simply for theological understanding…am into theology, the understanding of things, not into “convert or else” kind of discussionsif you check any thread about " are x going to hell" or “who goes to heaven”, i doubt you will see a single post by me because it’s simply none of my business…
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not necessarily. Surprise?
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This is still too specific.Lol. I am interested in your view but me and you both know you can do much much better than that. The teachings that you belive at… dont they say that if someone does not believe that Jesus is the son of God u out of luck? I understand your answer may represent your view but my understanding is that you are a theologican.I was looking for a more specific anwer as to who goes to hell based on your scripures. I want u to know that I am not being sarcastic or in no way or form anything close to that. Just trying to understand different points of views.
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No am not a theologian…am just interested in theology…scripture says not to judge and that God is the judge…for me to take the role of God is blasphemy, and to pretend that i know the background, the life, the mental abilities of each person is blasphemy…a persn who believes in Jesus yet does not live accordingly will not be judged better than someone who never heard of Jesus and lived according to His teachings…so you see, its not about 1 thing, but a lot of things. God is loving, and He is Just.
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O ok I thought you were a theologican. Sorry, my bad. And I did not mean to put u in a position of judging others (sin) I just wanted to have a deffinite answer to my question. Anyhow thx for the answer.
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I read about the acts of the imitators of Muhammad every day. Very sadly to say.
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I do not think I would want to imitate someone who married a 9 year old girl. I think I would get arrested.
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Sorry Sir I never heard of such a story…I am not a myslim keep that in mind while reading this butwhat Mohammed did in 20 years noone did in all the human historyin that short period of time. Even Jesus became popular 300 years after his death and resurection thanx to Constantine. At his time he was just a local guy right? None of the emperors at the time (Augustus) or even the one after him had ever heard of Jesus. All of this I am saying because there are 1.9 billion ppl living in the world right now who believe on Mohammed. By respecting eachothers faiths we will be able to move forward instead of keep fighting and trying to bring time back. Neither I nor U are able to do that but all we can do is respect eachother on this short trip called life.
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My friend to compare the Cesar Alexander and The Beattles to Mohammed…lol all I can do is laugh. The Fact that you are very familiar with the history should makes this discussion even better but if you trying to compare those ppl with Mohammed that means twisting the history in your own favor. And I did not say Mohammed is greater than Jesus all I said is that during his period of time in this green earth he achived more than jesus…lol I hope you can see that since you my friend know history. And as far as Tiberius time goes how big was the christian community back then? The only reaso Tiberius messed with them is that as we know the community was very weak so as Hitler did with the Reichstag he blamed the Chrisians because he could controll them very easy. And as far as Abraham and Moses I have to agree with you and that. And no my friend the 300 years I was refering is the time passed before Constatine adopted the Christian faith into the Roman Empire… right. And as far as the numbers goes 1.5 billion or 1.9 billion well all I can say it is a lot of ppl no matter what’s the number.lol. Anyhow this is not meant as an attack on you so please do not take this as an attack on you or Christianity or Islam.I would never, never attack somebody’s else faith. This is the differnce between you and I. I understand this is a forum where we all can express our opinions and learn from each other. At least this is the way I feel. Thanx for the facts though, and yes I will try to get my money back from my History teacher but I dont see that happening. She was a tough lady and I dont wanna mess with her.lol
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It is true that Jesus had to leave suddenly within a span of four years ministry. It is not true that he was not successful or his mission or procedure was wrong. Nothing was wrong except his own people (The Jews of that time). They were not ready to accept the good things about the Torah.
Since Jesus left within four years preaching, he was caught up too early and punished (suffered) at the cross. He had to leave. There is no news from him ever since (2000 years now)… Where is he and what is he doing?? Nobody knows. There is no message from Jesus.
About the history, every one knows that the followers of Jesus were scattered in the land. They even had to go in the hiding. The Jews had to pay the price by the destruction of the temple (70 A.D.) and the followers of Jesus also kept on suffering from persecution under the Romans for 300 years. They had to go underground, in the caves etc. But they kept on working in very difficult circumstances until the time of Emperor Constantine (300 years after christ) when they achieved anything at all.
So the figure of 300 years for the christains is a fact of history.
Since Jesus left within four years preaching, he was caught up too early and punished (suffered) at the cross. He had to leave. There is no news from him ever since (2000 years now)… Where is he and what is he doing?? Nobody knows. There is no message from Jesus.
About the history, every one knows that the followers of Jesus were scattered in the land. They even had to go in the hiding. The Jews had to pay the price by the destruction of the temple (70 A.D.) and the followers of Jesus also kept on suffering from persecution under the Romans for 300 years. They had to go underground, in the caves etc. But they kept on working in very difficult circumstances until the time of Emperor Constantine (300 years after christ) when they achieved anything at all.
So the figure of 300 years for the christains is a fact of history.
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Jesus accomplished his mission in 3 years and about 2 billion people believe in him.
Are your comments really respectful of our faith? Muhammad did many terrible things and Muslims keep ignoring them. Do you think it’s a commendable thing to have someone assassinated simply because he wrote a satyrical and uncomplimentary poem about you? Muhammad had this done. Is that the mark of a good person? Muhammad and his followers raped captive women after having them witness their husbands being tortured and killed? Again, is that the mark of a good person or a fiend??
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Hi,
The comments were in no shape or form intended as i previously said to offend or disrespect a faith. But those are the facts. Vickie I am not intending to defend myslims no this are not the intentions. But I dont like when the fatcs are distracted. Believing i think is a very serious matter so the ppl have to have the right facts before they do so. By the way Mohammed did not try to kill Selman Rushdie the poet who wrote that poem. Lol. Selman Rushdie is still alive in England while Mohhamed died 1500 years ago.Lol And the rape part Vickie, if you read history books not religious books but history books you will find out that is not true. As I said this is not to deffend Mohammed but it is not logical to put down 1.5 billion ppl( a friend of mine told me that) living presently on the world as ppl that believe on a false prophet. This is why we dont understand why the half of the world hates us. Because we think they believe in the Devi,l that is why. And the politics but that is a whole different matter not 4 this forum. Be more compasionate about ppl and respect eachothers faiths and this world I bet you would be a better place. Dont u think so?
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Finally. My history teacher would love u buddy. No money back for me.
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Why do you keep bringing up the 1.5 billion mantra? If something is false, it is false, period. Do you believe that something false becomes true because a lot of people believe it??
Or that it becomes true if you repeat it over and over again? And you use the victim ploy by using the “people hate us” mantra as well. Aren’t Muslims taught by the mullahs and imans to have nothing to do with the unbelievers and to hate them?An ex-Muslim has stated:
When I was nine, a typical Mulla taught me the Islamic rituals (like prayer, ablution, fasting), and how to recite the Qur’an correctly. **He also taught us that Muslims are the only inheritors of the earth, that we must never mix with the non-Muslims, we must hate them, humiliate them verbally, and if possible, physically." **
and:
“When I discussed this with a few Muslim gentlemen (moderate Muslims) they told me that the Hindus deserved to be killed; there should not be any Hindus in our Muslim land. **Further, I learned from them that in Islam, there is a great reward for killing the non-Muslims.” **
Give me credit for a little inteligence please! How could you believe I meant Salman Rushdie when he was not around in Muhammad’s time? Please see Muhammad’s Dead Poets Society.
Muhammad’s Excessive Cruelty
Why is it that Muslims refuse to accept the truth that Muhammad was a narcissist with no compassion, who invented a god and founded a religion for his own personal gain?
Muslims always want respect, but are they respectful of others? Is it respectful to refer to Jews as the descendants of apes and pigs? To refer to kaffirs (unbelievers) as “najis”, unclean and to put them in the same category as:
dogs, pigs, urine, faeces, blood, semen, and animals who eat filth!
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So since you are the better part and you believe on the true thing why dont you start with the forgivness and understanding? Why do u have to disrespect the others belief?Why do you keep bringing up the 1.5 billion mantra? If something is false, it is false, period. Do you believe that something false becomes true because a lot of people believe it??
Give me credit for a little inteligence please! How could you believe I meant Salman Rushdie when he was not around in Muhammad’s time? Please see Muhammad’s Dead Poets Society.
Muhammad’s Excessive Cruelty
Why is it that Muslims refuse to accept the truth that Muhammad was a narcissist with no compassion, who invented a god and founded a religion for his own personal gain?
Muslims always want respect, but are they respectful of others? Is it respectful to refer to Jews as the descendants of apes and pigs? To refer to kaffirs (unbelievers) as “najis”, unclean and to put them in the same category as:
dogs, pigs, urine, faeces, blood, semen, and animals who eat filth!
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I just like to say something someone great has said.
" We r all DIRT because that is where we came from and that is what we going to turn into. It is the moment that we say I am a better dirt than you that the trouble starts." And no they do not refer to Jews as ppl othat came from the apes, although me personaly believe that all of us camme from the apes, they refer to jews as Ppl of the Holy Book. Moses is their Prophet also. And Jesus is their Prophet also and they consider Christians as Ppl of the Holy Book also unlike Christians calling them Ppl that believe on the Devil or a false prophet. As far as the ex muslim guy well good for him if he found peace on Christianity. That is what I am talking about if you can find peace within you religion that is what religion is meant for. Respect that. At least I know someone found peace. But dont have that extremist view that it is either mine and no other. The other 1.5 bill hve found peace on the other religion. Let them be. And I do not believe for 1 sec that there is a reward to kill ppl in a religion. Even in Islam it is not allowed to kill ppl believe me. I AM NOT A MYSLIM by the way. AND THE 1.5 BILL. ARE NOT MANTRA ,THEY ARE PPL WITH SOULS LIKE ME AND U.
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