Immodest Barbie Dolls - teaching children modesty

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why would a parent concerned with modesty allow a child to play with a barbie in the first place? it is by definition a fashion doll whose purpose is to display current fashions in clothes, which are anything but modest. Why not get a real doll instead?
I see nothing wrong with Barbie. She doesn’t always have to be fashionable…she can wear a princess dress or a beautiful gown. Those styles never go out of fashion and are not trendy.

I am ok with dd playing Barbie as long as she’s the “girl next door” Barbie and not the “street worker” Barbie 😃
 
I can’t stand barbie dolls, I said i didnt want my daughter having barbie anything because i think she’s a bad role model, not because of the clothes because I’m happy to make new clothes for her but the body shape, i mean if she was real shed be having major problems because of anorexia… although they did change her shape and she is now not as skinny as she was, but she is still not a realistic/attainable size (nor are Stacie, Skipper or Chelsea) and that annoys me.

Sorry for the rant but it is something that really bugs me after as a teenager i was cleaning out my mums loft and we found a box of my mums old barbies which we gave to my little sister, looking through the box we found ‘slumber party barbie’, who came with a book on how to lose weight, turn the book over and on the back it says ‘don’t eat!’

Unfortunately my MIL has ignored me and bought my daughter Barbie sisters go fishing (those who haven’t seen barbies little sister and her mini-skirts really should have a look) so I spent hours making pretty new clothes only to discover my daughter doesnt like putting clothes on them anyway :rolleyes:
 
My dd got 2 very immodest Barbie Dolls for Christmas. I took them and told her that their clothes were immodest and I went out and bought 2 new outfits (for as much as the dolls cost :rolleyes:) and my dd re-dressed them in long gowns. She said, “Now they are modest mommy!”

My heart sank the other day when my dd told me that she wishes she had yellow hair. I am blond and she asked me how she could become blond like me.

With the way society is, how do we teach modesty to children?
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I guess I don’t see anything immodest about blond hair… Am I missing something here?
 
uncharitable response. Barbie had a breast reduction btw.
How?

Somebody bought my sister a barbie doll when we were younger and after playing with it for a while (which did have large breasts) my mum swapped it for a sindy doll which had no breasts (1980’s).

Not sure what she said to her but my sister played with her sindy for ages.
 
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My heart sank the other day when my dd told me that she wishes she had yellow hair. I am blond and she asked me how she could become blond like me.

With the way society is, how do we teach modesty to children?
I wouldn’t let it worry you sounds like she just wants to be like mom. When I was her age I wanted long black hair and blue eyes…like my mom and Wonderwoman. lol It doesn’t mean anything. By the way I found out years later black hair just doesn’t look good on me…lol :cool:;)😃
 
How?

Somebody bought my sister a barbie doll when we were younger and after playing with it for a while (which did have large breasts) my mum swapped it for a sindy doll which had no breasts (1980’s).

Not sure what she said to her but my sister played with her sindy for ages.
What’s wrong with breasts now? Every little girl will have them at some point. Didn’t you see your mother’s breasts when you were a child? Why are they suddenly scandalous on a doll? It’s not like they have fully painted nipples!!

Playing with a doll that is a “grown up” can teach children through imaginary play, the things that grown ups do. They go to work, they are mommies, they go shopping, etc. But if all dolls are only children, how does this help a child play/learn about adult scenarios?

There is a very significant difference between issues of modesty, and concerns with body shape. A woman with large breasts can be modest — trust me, I know. So if you are saying that a doll with breasts (in general, regardless of the clothing on them) is immodest, then that is a major issue. Modesty has NOTHING to do with the shape of a doll’s (or woman’s) body. It is how that body is clothed and respected which determines if it is modestly represented.

~Liza
 
Also not to derail the thread, but this brought to mind something I saw at Walmart a couple of months ago… thong underwear in the size my three year old wears. I went back (I was totally going to snap a picture and blog about how terrible this is) and they were all gone. I like to think that it’s because the store got complaints and pulled them. DH suggested that they might have all sold out. I really hope that’s not it, because the very idea is sickening. And to tie it in to the doll issue… it is just so disturbing when it’s aimed at little kids (the age that would be playing with dolls!).
Who in their right mind would buy thong underwear for a three year old:eek: I am thinking of the sanitary aspect here, because most 3 year olds aren’t exactly immaculate in their potty habits…LOL
 
Who in their right mind would buy thong underwear for a three year old:eek: I am thinking of the sanitary aspect here, because most 3 year olds aren’t exactly immaculate in their potty habits…LOL
Allow me the ignominious honor of introducing you to the Babikini - “My Very First Bikini!”

babikini.com/

I stumbled across this pedo-horror while trying to find full-coverage bathing suits for my sun-sensitive stepdaughters last summer. I don’t know what stunned me the most, the idea of someone making money off of toddlers in string bikinis or the fact that the mothers of the models on their website actually allowed their girl children to pose and be photographed in those things. SERIOUSLY CREEPY!

I can only assume that parents who dress their three-year-old daughters in Babikinis also are the ones who put them in babythongs as soon as they’re out of diapers.
 
WOWBecause little girls want to look pretty and dress up in pretty gowns and lace and frills. The don’t want to look like Raggedy Ann. I see no problems at all with little girls wanting to look pretty and to play dress up. You are confusing two things – dressing up, and current fashions. The two never have to mix, if parents don’t allow them to.

~Liza
I am not confused, the parent that buys a fashion doll, and then complains about the fashions, is confused. LIttle girls do want to dress up, and OP recognized that fact, and steered her child to dress up clothes that are both pretty and appropriate. The fashion dolls of which barbie is the chief example are hardly examples of little girls dressing up (unless the little girls have been on serious hormones. If a parent wants to buy a doll to cater to the child’s need to dress up and play girlie and pretty, all very natural, will buy a doll the child can identify with for that purpose. The fashion doll is not that toy.
 
I think women who expect barbie to be a role model, bad OR good, is confused. I have never EVER met a single girl growing up who wanted to be like Barbie If You allow a chunk of plastic to be your kid’s role model, where the HECK are YOU all day? Barbie is a toy, not a role model, and I’ve never met a child who sees her as one. she’s something to put pretty clothes on and braid her hair
 
Who in their right mind would buy thong underwear for a three year old:eek: I am thinking of the sanitary aspect here, because most 3 year olds aren’t exactly immaculate in their potty habits…LOL
I agree, yuk and yuk. As I understand it thong underwear was introduced to help women not show their underwear and panty lines.
 
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I guess I don’t see anything immodest about blond hair… Am I missing something here?
I was saying that my daughter is already not accepting herself for who she is…(i.e., society’s huge pressure on women to look a certain way).

She prefers her blond Barbies over the brunettes and is now feeling insecure b/c she’s not blond.

Just an observation is all.
 
I was saying that my daughter is already not accepting herself for who she is…(i.e., society’s huge pressure on women to look a certain way).

She prefers her blond Barbies over the brunettes and is now feeling insecure b/c she’s not blond.

Just an observation is all.
Seriously, this is quite common among children and really not a sign she doesn’t accept herself. Not at that age. It’s part of their make-believe world. I can remember wishing the same thing when I was little (I am 63 now and actually did play with a Barbie ) and I remember wishing I had blonde hair, like Barbie’s. All you really need to do is briefly reassure her that she is fine the way she is, and let it go. Young children can get quite caught up in their play.
 
Seriously, this is quite common among children and really not a sign she doesn’t accept herself. Not at that age. It’s part of their make-believe world. I can remember wishing the same thing when I was little (I am 63 now and actually did play with a Barbie ) and I remember wishing I had blonde hair, like Barbie’s. All you really need to do is briefly reassure her that she is fine the way she is, and let it go. Young children can get quite caught up in their play.
ok thanks
 
This little girl would probably want blonde hair like Mommy’s even if she didn’t have a blonde doll, too. That is OK. There are few brunettes who have never wondered what they’d look like with blonde hair. It is better to help her appreciate what she has than to play down what you have.

I had a friend whose mother would not let her have Barbies, because Barbie was not realistic. This friend grew up to have a tiny waist, DD+ bra, huge wavy mid-back length hair, impossibly long legs, and–I am not making this up!–she could put both ankles behind her head at the same time. IOW, this woman’s mother kept Barbie out of the hands of one of the 0.05% of women who would actually grow up to remotely resemble that doll. Who knew?!?

The irony of the situation so amused this woman that one year in college she dressed up as Barbie for Halloween, which is to say she added a skirt and a furry short-sleeved bolero jacket and heels to a silver metallic one-piece bathing suit to make an evening ensemble. Yes, it was as silly-looking as it sounds, and no one had to guess who she was dressing to look like. Look at the clothes that Barbie comes with. The only way your daughter is going to grow up to dress like Barbie is if she makes it in Hollywood. In that case, she is probably going to be a lost cause on Oscar night, anyway.

As for Barbie, the main thing is to not let her brother get a hold of one. Immodesty is bad enough, but the acts of misogyny* that Barbie has endured from older brothers would curl your hair! :eek: **

Seriously, though, I’d bring the girl up to see immodest fashions as sad attempts to be a piece of meat in order to gain attention, because that is what they are. That is the difference between modesty and immodesty, after all: immodest is the tendency to attract inordinate attention, not this amount of skin that is covered or not.

Add an ordinate degree of self-respect and the knowledge that nothing can replace “the hidden character of the heart, expressed in the imperishable beauty of a gentle and calm disposition, which is precious in the sight of God” (1 Pet 3:4), and she’ll know what to pursue and how she wants to be attractive, both inside and out.

But yes, give Barbie some decent clothes. I always enjoyed making clothes for my Barbie. Buy thin fabric, though. You can’t make flattering clothing out of cloth that is half as thick as your wrist. This problem of cloth bulk is one of the reasons that naked Barbie has such odd proportions. When you add clothing, especially anything with a gather at the waist, and the other eye-tricking that happens when you scale a person down, the proportions aren’t so far off as they seem when you assess the naked doll with a tape measure.*
 
I played with Barbie dolls growing up. I had a variety of clothes and stuff for my doll both homemade and store bought. I did not turn into a woman that went around dressed in skin tight clothes and high heels among other things to copy the dolls clothes. Barbie dolls are part of many girls’ lives these days. If you check the stores and online, there are a wide variety of clothing choices for the dolls in both the Barbie label and non Barbie labels as I’ve seen them when I got my niece stuff for her Barbie dolls in the past.
 
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