Immoral to drive gas guzzler?

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Wasnt there something about taking the log out of your own eye before sanctimoniously offering to take the speck out of your sisters eye? Should you not be putting your own house in order – or garage in this case – before you start rearranging mine?

There was a delightful story that came out many years ago called Mrs. Arris Goes to Paris, about a scrubwoman who saved and scrimped and went without all her life because the one thing she wanted was a Dior dress. She was little and old and common and at first the people at Dior thought she was crazy. But they grew to love her and they really enjoyed fitting her gown – which was made for a young debutante, not an old scrubwoman – and when she discovered to her shock that she would have to pay duty on it, they advised her to pack it in her cheap suitcase and tell the customs agent the truth – and he laughed and waved her through without opening her suitcase. She lent her lovely cherished gown to a Yner who looked beautiful in it, but who burned a hole in it with a cigarette and didnt even apologize.

Mrs Harris never wore that beautiful dress herself. Perhaps you feel like the pinch mouthed Pharisee and would say she should have given the money to the Poor. But why should she not have the gown of her dreams if she could pay for it?

And who are you to tell me that I dont NEED a Koenigsegge or a Porsche 911 or an Aston Martin so I should not be allowed to have my dream?

Examine your conscience and see if perhaps you are suffering from the deadly sin of Envy. Do you not want me to have a beautiful car because YOU cannot have one?
 
Keep in mind that the media,Obama and generally all of pop culture is presently pushing the “global warming” scam on ingorant people to make them feel guilty and generally obtain controll over them. Do the socialistic democrats care about the environment? no, they just want to get controll of you, its a mass political front that pop culture is using.
Don’t get me wrong, theres no problem with taking care of the environment, but you shouldn’t feel guilty for what you haven’t done. IMO, thers is nothing wrong with driving a gas guzzler as long as its road worthy, it realy wont’ have a huge impact on the environment as much as the media makes it seem.
 
And could we stop referring to Beautiful Cars as gas guzzlers?

This is a prejudicial term that is designed to denigrate, much like the habit of some men of referring to their secretaries as my Girl even when the secretaries are older than their mothers.

Considering that my 1975 Ford Gran Torino got 15 mpg, I would say that there ARE no gas guzzlers out on the streets today, unless you are in Cuba, which you had better not be as it is illegal.
 
No, and with all due respect the question is absurd. If we apply this rationale, then the next question is, is it immoral to drive a car at all instead of walking, biking or taking the bus? Is it immoral to use your dryer, which consumes tons of electricity, instead of hanging clothes on a line? Is it immoral to use disposable diapers when you could have the joy of using and washing cloth ones?!? Is it immoral to have a green lawn when you could save water and have rocks instead. Our resources are not that severely in jeopardy. Morality and ecology are not the same. We all have a reasonable responsibility to not be wasteful and not pollute, of course. This will be different in everyone’s home. “Environmentalism” is not a religion unto itself, at least not for Catholics.
 
Is it immoral to marry a beautiful, wealthy 40 year old woman instead of a plain, pudgy 17 year old farm girl who can work like a plow horse and produce numerous children? What if you love the woman and you dont like the girl? Is it immoral to live in the city instead of in the country? Is it immoral to live in California instead of Montana?

Is it immoral and a sin to think for yourself and make your own decisions, instead of doing as your Masters and Betters instruct you?

God bless the Squire and his relations/and Keep us All in our Proper Stations. [curtsey] Amen.

I recall the words of a monk who said confidently that he was certain to go to heaven because he was sinless – never in his life had he done a single thing except what other people told him to do…
 
Appleby said:
And could we stop referring to Beautiful Cars as gas guzzlers?

This is a prejudicial term that is designed to denigrate, much like the habit of some men of referring to their secretaries as my Girl even when the secretaries are older than their mothers.

Considering that my 1975 Ford Gran Torino got 15 mpg, I would say that there ARE no gas guzzlers out on the streets today, unless you are in Cuba, which you had better not be as it is illegal.
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Is it a sin not to lower the float setting in the carb of you Ford to up the mpg to 18?😛 The ultimate question is it a sin to enjoy life!?
 
WackBob said:
Keep in mind that the media,Obama and generally all of pop culture is presently pushing the “global warming” scam on ingorant people to make them feel guilty and generally obtain controll over them. Do the socialistic democrats care about the environment? no, they just want to get controll of you, its a mass political front that pop culture is using.
Don’t get me wrong, theres no problem with taking care of the environment, but you shouldn’t feel guilty for what you haven’t done. IMO, thers is nothing wrong with driving a gas guzzler as long as its road worthy, it realy wont’ have a huge impact on the environment as much as the media makes it seem.
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Too true! My husband is a geologist and has some choice words to say about “global warming”. We have hundreds of thousands of years of data on this planet’s climate that show we are in a warming trend; but, no worse than has occurred naturally many, many times before. That’s not to say that humans aren’t responsible for hurting the environment. There are things that each of us can do to be good stewards - raise or lower the thermostat, plan errands, turn lights off, etc. There are also some good alternative energy sources that do not use fossil fuels to create, such as ethanol does. (That farmer uses fuel in his farm equipment to harvest the corn used to produce ethanol. Fossil fuel is also used in the production of ethanol. Go figure!) Hydroelectric that does not use dams but bypass pipes, solar, wind, biomass power plants, landfill gas to generate electricity, to name a few. One of my favorite shows, Top Gear, tested a Toyota Prius (76 hp) against a BMW M3 (414 hp) for fuel economy. The Prius ran flat out around the 1.8 mile track. The only thing the BMW had to do was match the speed of the Prius. The Prius got 14.3 mpg; the BMW 16.1 mpg. The conclusion was that it isn’t as important what you drive, as how you drive it. :cool:
 
Appleby said:
Wasnt there something about taking the log out of your own eye before sanctimoniously offering to take the speck out of your sisters eye? Should you not be putting your own house in order – or garage in this case – before you start rearranging mine?

There was a delightful story that came out many years ago called Mrs. Arris Goes to Paris, about a scrubwoman who saved and scrimped and went without all her life because the one thing she wanted was a Dior dress. She was little and old and common and at first the people at Dior thought she was crazy. But they grew to love her and they really enjoyed fitting her gown – which was made for a young debutante, not an old scrubwoman – and when she discovered to her shock that she would have to pay duty on it, they advised her to pack it in her cheap suitcase and tell the customs agent the truth – and he laughed and waved her through without opening her suitcase. She lent her lovely cherished gown to a Yner who looked beautiful in it, but who burned a hole in it with a cigarette and didnt even apologize.

Mrs Harris never wore that beautiful dress herself. Perhaps you feel like the pinch mouthed Pharisee and would say she should have given the money to the Poor. But why should she not have the gown of her dreams if she could pay for it?

And who are you to tell me that I dont NEED a Koenigsegge or a Porsche 911 or an Aston Martin so I should not be allowed to have my dream?

Examine your conscience and see if perhaps you are suffering from the deadly sin of Envy. Do you not want me to have a beautiful car because YOU cannot have one?
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I never said that I thought that it was a sin or immoral, I simply asked if anyone else did. Apparently, you don’t. I’m not blameing anyone. My car, sadly, gets about 11 miles to the gallon, so why would I throw stones.
 
MGPenny said:
One of my favorite shows, Top Gear, tested a Toyota Prius (76 hp) against a BMW M3 (414 hp) for fuel economy. The Prius ran flat out around the 1.8 mile track. The only thing the BMW had to do was match the speed of the Prius. The Prius got 14.3 mpg; the BMW 16.1 mpg. The conclusion was that it isn’t as important what you drive, as how you drive it. :cool:
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Much as I dislike the modern enviro-movement (I prefer the older conservationist philosophy), examples like this are so extreme as to be just irrelevent. Nobody, and I mean nobody drives a Prius floored all the time on the road. There’s no point.

But driven normally, a Prius will easily yield 48 mpg in 50/50 city/highway driving. I’ve got an mpg monitor on my base model Cadillac CTS and drive quite conservatively, but CANNOT get better than a 24 mpg tank in similar 50/50 city/highway driving. Off the test track, how you drive it DOES matter, but not as much as what you drive. If I get crabby, I can easily drop my mileage to 18mpg. But it ain’t getting better than 24 unless you come over and help me push.
 
Nick_in_MB said:
…If you have a large family, and you are all going somewhere, the choice may be either the gas guzzling suv, or 2 fuel efficient cars, which may not be the better choice.
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Been there, done that. Two cars took more fuel.
A few other questions for anyone who thinks it is immoral to drive a big car to ponder:

Is it immoral to drive a fuel efficient car three times as much for unneccesary things to drive a “gas guzzler” far less?

Is it immoral to take a fuel efficient car out to eat and to the movies when you could save gas by staying home?

Is it immoral to live farther away from work that 10 miles?

Is it immoral to take vacations either by planes or by driving fuel efficient cars?
 
Is it immoral to do anything they did not do in the 13th century? Including living longer than 35 years?

Is it okay to have a Beautiful Car and a comfortable lifestyle if you kill yourself at age 35? If the only important thing about you is your Carbon Footprint, would that not be a fair trade? :rolleyes:

P.S. If people would only teach their children not to scatter their garbage and food wrappers all over the floor, drop their pop cans on the subway tracks, and if those people would only not throw their newspapers on the floor and drop half-full Starbuck cups on the stairs into the building … you should have seen our town square after Earth Hour! It took the union city workers (on overtime) about four hours to clean up the disposable cups, fast food papers, leftover food and splattered coffee they left as a memorial to their self-congratulatory Party In The Dark.

N.B. You should have seen the forest of garbage World Youth Day left behind it. It was a rainy day and they handed out those plastic raincoats, which people just threw on the ground; they washed into the sewer system and stopped the pipes up and a nearby furniture store was flooded and sustained more than $1 million in damages and lost business.
 
I think I remember His Holiness The Pope saying something about not destroying the Earth that God made. So as His Holiness has papal infallability on His side, can’t this not be not right?
 
I was in an accident in January in a Chevy Tahoe – I’d be dead if I hadn’t been in that big car to protect me. I replaced it with a Chevy Avalanche. I do schedule my errands to not waste gas though. I’ll have a big tank to drive in though until they outlaw them. 😃

“When they outlaw SUV’s, only outlaws will have SUV’s.” I’m sure at some time in Kalipornia we’ll need a bumper sticker like that.
 
Jamison97 said:
I think I remember His Holiness The Pope saying something about not destroying the Earth that God made. So as His Holiness has papal infallability on His side, can’t this not be not right?
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IIRC, His Holiness is only infalliable when he speaks on matters of doctrine, such as the Virgin Birth. He is not infalliable when he tells you to buy an Aston Martin instead of a Ferrari, or that the new Star Trek movie is an unnecessary piece of nonsense that nobody should waste a dime seeing.

Destroying The Earth because you drive a car instead of walking through four feet of snow when it is 40 below zero? Please.

P.S. Do you know what Jesus drove? A Honda. Its in the Bible. And he took all the disciples too – it says They were all in one Accord. 😃
 
Appleby said:
P.S. Do you know what Jesus drove? A Honda. Its in the Bible. And he took all the disciples too – it says They were all in one Accord. 😃
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LOL Thanks for the laugh this morning! I’m going to have to use that one! 👍
 
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