Immune to punishment?

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I know it is not for a mortal to judge if others are in Hell or Heaven but I have to ask this question. I like Medieval history and find it enjoyable; and from looking up that time a question came up of. “Are even Popes subjected to Eternal punishment in Hell if they died with sin in their soul?” I think it would be so since they are still human.
 
Flavius_Aetius said:
I know it is not for a mortal to judge if others are in Hell or Heaven but I have to ask this question. I like Medieval history and find it enjoyable; and from looking up that time a question came up of. “Are even Popes subjected to Eternal punishment in Hell if they died with sin in their soul?” I think it would be so since they are still human.
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Absolutely. Popes who die in mortal sin go to hell just like anyone else. Except for them, with the mark of the episcopacy on their souls, the shame will be much greater.
 
Flavius_Aetius said:
I know it is not for a mortal to judge if others are in Hell or Heaven but I have to ask this question. I like Medieval history and find it enjoyable; and from looking up that time a question came up of. “Are even Popes subjected to Eternal punishment in Hell if they died with sin in their soul?” I think it would be so since they are still human.
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Definitely. Popes are protected from teaching error under certain circumstances, but that is for our protection, not his. The pope can sin, just like anyone else, and often his guilt is greater because his knowledge is greater and he is supposed to be an example. He will be punished for his sins, and can certainly die in mortal sin, just like anyone else. When he sins, he must go to confession, just like we do. If he died with mortal sin, he would go to hell.
 
I trust in the Divine Mercy of God, and thus try to leave all judgment to Him.
 
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I trust in the Divine Mercy of God, and thus try to leave all judgment to Him.
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And that is just “Jim Dandy.” We can only discern actions or omissions known to be objectively sinful, but we never know the heart and the individuals relationship to the Lord so we are blessed in that we do not and are not capable of saying who goes to perdition. 🙂
 
There used to be a saying that ‘the road to Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops’

A bit sinister and actually not meant as a slagging off of clergy but a way of showing the actual depth of the problem of sin
 
I find it quite ridiculous how one can so easily state that, ‘if you die in mortal sin you go to hell.’ Think about all the good people of this earth who could have lived a wonderful Christian life, but then they committed a mortal sin before death without the chance to confess or maybe repent – they would in no way be deserving of hell. If this is the case one could live a total life of sin and then just repent and confess before their death.
 
JMBNH said:
There used to be a saying that ‘the road to Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops’

A bit sinister and actually not meant as a slagging off of clergy but a way of showing the actual depth of the problem of sin
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It’s “The floor of hell is covered with the skulls of bishops.” (or “paved” which would probably be acceptable since it was translated anyway). I’ve seen this quote attributed to St. Athanasius and St. John Chrysotstum. I’ve never seen a context given, so if anyone knows the true attribution and from what speech or writing, could it be posted?
 
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I find it quite ridiculous how one can so easily state that, ‘if you die in mortal sin you go to hell.’ Think about all the good people of this earth who could have lived a wonderful Christian life, but then they committed a mortal sin before death without the chance to confess or maybe repent – they would in no way be deserving of hell. If this is the case one could live a total life of sin and then just repent and confess before their death.
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See Ezechiel 18: 21-27
"But if a wicked man turns away from all his sins which he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness which he has done he shall live. 23* Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, says the Lord GOD, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live? 24 But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity and does the same abominable things that the wicked man does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds which he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, he shall die. 25 "Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear now, O house of Israel: Is my way not just? Is it not your ways that are not just? 26 When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, he shall die for it; for the iniquity which he has committed he shall die. 27 Again, when a wicked man turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is lawful and right, he shall save his life. 28 Because he considered and turned away from all the transgressions which he had committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die
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As I recall Dante put some pope’s in hell in Divine Comedy. Note especially Celestine V who was canonized shortly thereafter. :rolleyes:
 
Anyone, including a pope, will go to Hell if they had mortal sin on their soul when they die. However, if they die in a state of grace or only have venial sin on their soul when they die, they will go to Purgatory and then to Heaven or directly to Heaven depending on how righteous they were.
 
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