Thank you all very much for your responses!
**Hi Julian, **
You said: “The 10 Commandments are very direct and clear. I understand your wrestling with the 3rd Commandment, because, in my opinion, it is the most universally ignored and violated by the largest number of Christians throughout the world. We have reduced this commandment to such a small and insignificant factor in our lives that I believe many of us are going to be very suprised on our day of judgement as we try to explain all the servile work we performed, all the time we used to stay busy instead of rest, and all the activities we pursued in place of prayer. The CCC is clear in its explaination of this commandment, and in reading that explanation, you immediately recognize how little we actually follow.
It means what it says, take time to stop, rest, pray and honor GOD in doing such. And not to perform servile work ( work for another for pay or consideration).”
Thanks again for responding; I’m sure you recognized this, but my problem has more to do with what day of the week the 3rd commandment applies to, and how we justify saying both that the 10 commandments are immutable and yet that the 3rd commandment is interpreted in a way significantly different from what it was originally written as, and thought to mean by the Hebrews before Christ (keep holy the Sabbath, that is, the 7th day of the week and not the first). If The Church really puts forward this interpretation, I will of course obey, but I’m hoping that there is some nuance I’m missing in The Church’s teaching that might make this apparent change seem more fitting than I see it as now with my imperfect understanding.
Although I’m having trouble seeing how your response answers my original question, I do see what you mean about the respect for The Lord’s Day being violated quite often in society, and I hope that I do not contribute too much to this disrespect. I greatly appreciate your concern for the well-being of the faithful.
**Hello WesleyF, **
Thanks for responding!
You said: “the third commandment is to keep the Sabbath day, but the application of the commandment has changed because it is now interpreted in the light of the New Covenant.”
I guess my difficulty with this is what the “Sabbath day” actually is (that is, does it mean literally “day of rest” as R_C has kindly told us, or does the Hebrew understanding of Sabbath as the time from sundown on Friday until Saturday night). |
If by “keep holy the Sabbath” God literally meant for the Third commandment to say “keep holy that time from sundown Friday until Saturday night”, this would imply that the commandment is no longer observed by us Catholics (which is impossible, as The Church teaches that the 10 commandments are immutable). Fortunately, The Church has the authority to interpret Scripture and teach doctrines concerning it as well, and I trust Her interpretation, whatever that may be.
You also said: “The observances of the Old Law, such as the sabbath, were a foreshadowing of the fulness of the New Covenant.”
Certainly the Old Law has been fulfilled in Christ, but the Church which has authority to teach as Christ gave Her has told us (in the Catechism) that a part of the Old Law, the 10 Commandments, are not just a part of the Old Law, but are part of an unchangeable law written in the human heart (that is, Natural Law). While we can say Christ has removed for us the dietary laws and other ceremonial laws of the Hebrews, we cannot say that Christ has removed the 10 commandments, for the (catechism tells us that) The Church teaches that He has not removed them.
Hopefully I can try to put my predicament more clearly:
If (A) observing the Sabbath is a part of the 10 commandments (see Exodus in prior post),
and
if (B) the Sabbath is not Sunday (see Catechism in my prior post),
and
if (C) the 10 commandments are to be always followed and are unchangeable (see Catechism in my prior post),
then,
observing the Sabbath on a day that cannot be on Sunday is an unchangeable commandment which we must follow.
This conclusion is clearly false, since The Church teaches us to observe The Lord’s Day (Sunday) as our Holy Day. Therefore, one of the premises (A, B, or C) must be false; the premises from the Catechism (B and C) cannot be false, because the Catechism does not teach error (or at least, we assume so), so premise (A) must be false; that is, observing the Sabbath (explained in the Catechism to be chronologically prior to Sunday) is not actually a part of the 10 commandments. In other words, the command to “keep holy the Sabbath” actually means “keep holy the day you should keep holy, which can change depending on how much has been revealed to you”, but to fit the Hebrew understanding, was written simply as “keep holy the Sabbath” as that was the day (distinguished from Sunday) they were to keep holy at that point in time.
P.S. I will greatly enjoy reading Dies Domini when I get the chance! Thanks for the link!
**Hi Zulfiqar, **
Thanks for responding! In your post, you give some nice quotes from sacred scripture demonstrating how the Early Church worshiped (by “breaking bread”) on Sunday, the first day of the week. I certainly agree with you that it is part of New Testament Scripture and Tradition to keep holy the Lord’s day on Sunday specifically. My question is about how the apparent change from keeping holy Saturday (roughly) to keeping holy Sunday fits in with the Catechism’s teaching that all 10 Commandments are immutable and apply to everyone, even the Early Christians. I understand that the apostles have the authority to bind and to loose, and I do not doubt that authority, but using that authority they (or their Apostolic descendants) seem to have bound that all 10 of the commandments are immutable and applicable, and also to have bound that we are to keep holy the Lord’s Day, which they have taught to be different from the Sabbath. I am confused by this apparent contradiction, and know that this is not really a contradiction, and so I am attempting to resolve the contradiction, mainly by saying that the 10 commandments, in their actual meaning, do not include the commandment to keep holy the Sabbath, but in reality mean to keep holy the Lord’s day, or whatever day God has appointed to be kept holy. (see my response to Wesley above for more details).
**Hi R_C, **
Wonderful contribution! I hope I’m not asking too much, but where did you get that translation? I tried Google searching a literal translation, but didn’t have much luck (maybe I’m not looking hard enough…).
Regardless, because the Catechism has told us clearly that the Sabbath is not Sunday, I don’t think I can get out of this predicament by taking this more literal definition of Sabbath, as no matter what definition I take, in order to be in keeping with the Catechism the definition must be understood to be “not Sunday”.
Thanks for the link by the way, hopefully I will be able to resolve my lack of understanding after having read it!
Hi Lancer,
Thanks for responding!
Sorry if I misspoke by calling this an interpretation, please don’t think I’m trying to disobey a Church doctrine, I am just trying to understand it.
(Also, to be clear, I did not say that the Catechism made a blunder, it was another poster. I know the Catechism isn’t always infallible since it isn’t always dealing with Dogma, but we must obey the Magisterium even when it is not teaching infallibly). To reiterate, I don’t think the Church is wrong, I am just trying to understand what implications the Church’s teaching on this matter have for how we should see the Third commandment.
You said: “the Third Commandment applies to all mankind”
I agree, but what does the Third Commandment really mean? If the Third Commandment really means “keep holy the Sabbath day”, which is what is written in the Bible, and if Sunday is “expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically” as the Catechism says, then in order to keep the Third Commandment, we must keep holy a day that is expressly distinguished from Sunday.
However, because The Church teaches that we are to keep holy Sunday, rather than the sabbath, and She is surely not wrong, then we must say that the Third Commandment does not really mean “keep holy the Sabbath day”.That is, there must be some other meaning to that verse of the Bible that is not obvious, or maybe it was put in the language and cultural context that the Hebrews would understand, or maybe it was even a mis-translation or copyist error (though I’m not sure if we are allowed to propose that last option as valid).