Imperfect v. Perfect Contrition & Free-will

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God gives us free-will. If we violate his laws, we will suffer. After reading several saints biographies, the ones who I have came to love the most were penitents. It is says something to me when someone is not afraid to live their lives freely and sinfully, without fear of God, but turns around. The concept of free-will I do not like, we must do things we do not like to please God. Some people are not afraid and live how they please, until they discover pleasing God is more rewarding. For those of us who grew up in the church. Pleasing God feels like a list of rules. The slightest violation feels bad for me. Maybe I need to learn personal responsibility. I just feel like I always feel bad, guilty or something I COULD BE LEADING MY LIFE WAY WORSE. When it comes to religion, nothing should be forced. Following God is a choice, why should it feel like another chore?
 
I propose to you to look more at Christ - to come more and more to know him and his love for you and that *true life *is in him. We all need to do this every day. It may help as well to go sit down with a kind Priest who can help you to overcome perhaps some ideas that have crept into your spiritual life that are not correct or balanced and to come to know more personally the life we have in Christ. That true life we have in him and his Sacraments and in prayer.

““To gaze upon Christ!” If we do this, we realize that Christianity is more than and different from a moral code, from a series of requirements and laws. It is the gift of a friendship that lasts through life and death: “No longer do I call you servants, but friends” (Jn 15:15), the Lord says to his disciples. We entrust ourselves to this friendship. Yet precisely because Christianity is more than a moral system, because it is the gift of friendship, for this reason it also contains within itself great moral strength, which is so urgently needed today on account of the challenges of our time. If with Jesus Christ and his Church we constantly re-read the Ten Commandments of Sinai, entering into their full depth, then a great, valid and lasting teaching unfolds before us. The Ten Commandments are first and foremost a “yes” to God, to a God who loves us and leads us, who carries us and yet allows us our freedom: indeed, it is he who makes our freedom real (the first three commandments). It is a “yes” to the family (fourth commandment), a “yes” to life (fifth commandment), a “yes” to responsible love (sixth commandment), a “yes” to solidarity, to social responsibility and to justice (seventh commandment), a “yes” to truth (eighth commandment) and a “yes” to respect for other people and for what is theirs (ninth and tenth commandments). By the strength of our friendship with the living God we live this manifold “yes” and at the same time we carry it as a signpost into this world of ours today.”

~ Pope Benedict XVI 8 September 2007

““I want them to understand that it is beautiful to be a Christian! The generally prevailing idea is that Christians have to observe an immense number of commandments, prohibitions, precepts, and other such restrictions, so that Christianity is a heavy and oppressive way of living, and it would therefore be more liberating to live without all these burdens. But I would like to make it clear that to be sustained by this great Love and God’s sublime revelation is not a burden, but rather a set of wings—that it is truly beautiful to be a Christian. It is an experience that gives us room to breathe and move, but most of all, it places us within a community since, as Christians, we are never alone: first of all, there is God, who is always with us; secondly, we are always forming a great community among ourselves: a community of people together on a journey, a community with a project for the future. All of this means that we are empowered to live a life worth living. This is the joy of being a Christian: that it is beautiful and right to believe!””

~Pope Benedict XVI 2005

“I invite all Christians, everywhere, at this very moment, to a renewed personal encounter with Jesus Christ, or at least an openness to letting him encounter them; I ask all of you to do this unfailingly each day. No one should think that this invitation is not meant for him or her, since “no one is excluded from the joy brought by the Lord”.[1] The Lord does not disappoint those who take this risk; whenever we take a step towards Jesus, we come to realize that he is already there, waiting for us with open arms. Now is the time to say to Jesus: “Lord, I have let myself be deceived; in a thousand ways I have shunned your love, yet here I am once more, to renew my covenant with you. I need you. Save me once again, Lord, take me once more into your redeeming embrace”. How good it feels to come back to him whenever we are lost! Let me say this once more: God never tires of forgiving us; we are the ones who tire of seeking his mercy. Christ, who told us to forgive one another “seventy times seven” (Mt 18:22) has given us his example: he has forgiven us seventy times seven. Time and time again he bears us on his shoulders. No one can strip us of the dignity bestowed upon us by this boundless and unfailing love. With a tenderness which never disappoints, but is always capable of restoring our joy, he makes it possible for us to lift up our heads and to start anew. Let us not flee from the resurrection of Jesus, let us never give up, come what will. May nothing inspire more than his life, which impels us onwards!”

~ Pope Francis Evangelii Gaudium

(quotes snipped from Vatican website -for example: vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/homilies/2006/documents/hf_ben-xvi_hom_20060108_battesimo_en.html

Very good readings:

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/messages/urbi/documents/hf_ben-xvi_mes_20070408_urbi-easter_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/messages/urbi/documents/hf_ben-xvi_mes_20080323_urbi-easter_en.html
 
When you sin, just think about what you just did to Jesus. His cross became heavier. Think about his passion due to your sin. Are you sorry for what you just did to innocent Jesus?

If you disciplined a love one for something they didn’t do, would you feel compassion for your loved one? Now replace that individual with Jesus. Now you’re getting more perfectly contrite.
 
God gives us free-will. If we violate his laws, we will suffer. After reading several saints biographies, the ones who I have came to love the most were penitents. It is says something to me when someone is not afraid to live their lives freely and sinfully, without fear of God, but turns around. The concept of free-will I do not like, we must do things we do not like to please God. Some people are not afraid and live how they please, until they discover pleasing God is more rewarding. For those of us who grew up in the church. Pleasing God feels like a list of rules. The slightest violation feels bad for me. Maybe I need to learn personal responsibility. I just feel like I always feel bad, guilty or something I COULD BE LEADING MY LIFE WAY WORSE. When it comes to religion, nothing should be forced. Following God is a choice, why should it feel like another chore?
Romans 8:30 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

To seek a personal relationship with God, IS its own reward. It has been my personal experience that everything that is good in me, IS of God’s OWN design … meaning I did NOTHING to attain it. I simple chose to Love God, Believe in Christ Jesus and accept with all my heart and mind that He IS the Son of God and He really DIED for MY PERSONAL SIN. I don’t ever recall God asking me to DO anything more? He accepted me for the wretch I WAS … the changes that HAVE occurred from the day I met him to this very day years later, are the DIRECT RESULT of His power alone I have never deliberately set out to accomplish the changes in me … for lack of a better term … they just happened. I can honestly say without hesitation, God’s never made me feel burdened … obligated nor controlled.
Matthew 6:33 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

33 But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

You will never CHANGE yourself so stop trying … you’ll see that when YOU try it only last a short time and you back to your old self! Stop looking around and just start looking up. Read his scripture, GIVE Him your time in prayer. CULTIVATE a REAL relationship with Him. If you do? You’ll find it has never been about you … it’s ALWAYS been about Him! keep on keeping on Brother … you’ll get there.
 
There will be times in our lives when we aren’t perfectly contrite for a sin. So, do go to confession. Hope in Christ and get some of that grace by going to confession to help you move forward.
 
For those of us who grew up in the church. Pleasing God feels like a list of rules.
Speak for yourself. I definitely DO NOT feel this way. Yes, God has many teachings that we must follow in order to be good children of His and to show Him that we love Him. However, we should want to do these things because of such an intense love for God that we will do anything to please Him. We should NOT view it as a business deal or a “list of rules,” as you put it.
 
Romans 8:30 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

To seek a personal relationship with God, IS its own reward. It has been my personal experience that everything that is good in me, IS of God’s OWN design … meaning I did NOTHING to attain it. I simple chose to Love God, Believe in Christ Jesus and accept with all my heart and mind that He IS the Son of God and He really DIED for MY PERSONAL SIN. I don’t ever recall God asking me to DO anything more? He accepted me for the wretch I WAS … the changes that HAVE occurred from the day I met him to this very day years later, are the DIRECT RESULT of His power alone I have never deliberately set out to accomplish the changes in me … for lack of a better term … they just happened. I can honestly say without hesitation, God’s never made me feel burdened … obligated nor controlled.
Matthew 6:33 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

33 But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

You will never CHANGE yourself so stop trying … you’ll see that when YOU try it only last a short time and you back to your old self! Stop looking around and just start looking up. Read his scripture, GIVE Him your time in prayer. CULTIVATE a REAL relationship with Him. If you do? You’ll find it has never been about you … it’s ALWAYS been about Him! keep on keeping on Brother … you’ll get there.
I think you perfectly wrote how I feel. I feel like I cannot change by myself. Obviously, there is always self-control and free-will. I do not think a person can make themselves perfect.
 
God gives us free-will. If we violate his laws, we will suffer. After reading several saints biographies, the ones who I have came to love the most were penitents. It is says something to me when someone is not afraid to live their lives freely and sinfully, without fear of God, but turns around. The concept of free-will I do not like, we must do things we do not like to please God. Some people are not afraid and live how they please, until they discover pleasing God is more rewarding. For those of us who grew up in the church. Pleasing God feels like a list of rules. The slightest violation feels bad for me. Maybe I need to learn personal responsibility. I just feel like I always feel bad, guilty or something I COULD BE LEADING MY LIFE WAY WORSE. When it comes to religion, nothing should be forced. Following God is a choice, why should it feel like another chore?
Will and feeling are not the same. Will has to do with what we determine to do and feeling is an emotional like or dislike, which may be base upon attachment or repulsion from previous experiences. A person feels an emotion, ye*t chooses *how to react. The choice is the free part of free will. The action is the exercise of will. The will can be expressed as positive or negative (inhibitory). When we choose to do what is pleasing to God we express charity. That choice may be based upon fear of suffering or anticipation of reward, or for love of what we hold is good, or for a positive self image, or for acceptance by those we respect, etc.
 
I think you perfectly wrote how I feel. I feel like I cannot change by myself. Obviously, there is always self-control and free-will. I do not think a person can make themselves perfect.
I agree, I find whenever I use the word perfect or perfection, I get resistance sense many people will say yes but scriptures say you’ll never be perfect till you get to Heaven. I often say , yes that’s true BUT that does NOT mean you should not STRIVE for it. As example I use a 1 year nurse as opposed to a 20 year nurse. both are the same but the other has or is becoming expert in their field.

Matthew 5:48 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

48 Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

It was nice talking with you. I am in the process as it were to being removed from this site as my views are based on Protestant beliefs which the moderator finds offensive. But May God Bless You. God is in charge and only those changes that He makes ever really last for all life.
 
When it comes to religion, nothing should be forced. Following God is a choice, why should it feel like another chore?
If feels like a chore when you do not truly love God above all else and lack the proper dispositions. Love of ease, disobedience, sloth, pride, self-love, inordinate love of creatures, etc. can make religion a chore. Pray for humility, fear of the Lord (reverential fear of offending him), fervor, the spirit of prayer - and practice mortification. God bless you.
 
If feels like a chore when you do not truly love God above all else and lack the proper dispositions. Love of ease, disobedience, sloth, pride, self-love, inordinate love of creatures, etc. can make religion a chore. Pray for humility, fear of the Lord (reverential fear of offending him), fervor, the spirit of prayer - and practice mortification. God bless you.
Absolutely agreed.

Why does following God feel like a chore? Because we are weak, and need to grow in strength. This is only possible through God’s grace, and after a transformation of our lives through such grace. Deeper daily conversion is something which, to be sure, we must always will for our lives.

Moreover, Christ wants us to take up our crosses daily and follow Him. This is the essence of following Christ, and notions that our lives should be heaven on earth at every moment are absolutely alien to Christianity.
 
If feels like a chore when you do not truly love God above all else and lack the proper dispositions. Love of ease, disobedience, sloth, pride, self-love, inordinate love of creatures, etc. can make religion a chore. Pray for humility, fear of the Lord (reverential fear of offending him), fervor, the spirit of prayer - and practice mortification. God bless you.
I think I understand. What is inordinate love of creatures?
 
I think I understand. What is inordinate love of creatures?
Catechism 1472 has: “every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory.”

Saint Thomas Aquinas discussed this unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified, in Summa Theologica Part II, Section II, Question 189, Article 1. The entrance into religious lifeI answer that, As shown above (Question 188, Article 1), the religious state is a spiritual schooling for the attainment of the perfection of charity. This is accomplished through the removal of the obstacles to perfect charity by religious observances; and these obstacles are those things which attach man’s affections to earthly things. Now the attachment of man’s affections to earthly things is not only an obstacle to the perfection of charity, but sometimes leads to the loss of charity, when through turning inordinately to temporal goods man turns away from the immutable good by sinning mortally. Hence it is evident that the observances of the religious state, while removing the obstacles to perfect charity, remove also the occasions of sin: for instance, it is clear that fasting, watching, obedience, and the like withdraw man from sins of gluttony and lust and all other manner of sins.
newadvent.org/summa/3189.htm
 
I think I understand. What is inordinate love of creatures?
If you enjoy them in a disordered way, if you love the creature more than you love God. (e.g. you eat more than you need for sustenance, you go against reason) God bless you.
 
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