Truth is found among the authority Christ built on earth. The authority that wrote scriptures, and kept them through generation after generation passing them along with the interpretations. It’s when each individual began interpreting scriptures for themselves that we came to have many doctrines…
And what is truth ?
Protestants and Catholics and Orthodox and he and she vary.
Not on all, but on this and that.
Why ?
Of course it is… that is, if you sought diligently and with complete honesty the will of the Father and that’s what the Holy Spirit tells you to go to, that’s definitely, irrevocably, completely serving God.
So, you believe the Holy Spirit would send ‘Christians’ in different directions to follow different truths? How can many truths be one truth?
With the ‘mall’ of doctrines, it appears people pick and choose that with what they are willing to do to serve and not serve as He desires we serve, in my honest opinion. It’s serving as they are comfortable with and I’m not sure the Holy Spirit has anything to do with it.
Truth is found among the authority Christ built on earth. The authority that wrote scriptures, and kept them through generation after generation passing them along with the interpretations. It’s when each individual began interpreting scriptures for themselves that we came to have many doctrines…
Agreed. Christ is Truth.
The historical record of the Catholic denomination speaks for itself, in safe guarding the Scriptures, of His Church.
It is suspect when someone uses the two differences in what appears to be a justification of many differences. Why aren’t you either Catholic or Orthodox?
What we have with Protestantism has become a ‘mall’ of choices, where one can pick and choose that which they, individually, are comfortable with. Is that truly serving God?
You have made your “mall” choice with Catholicism.
And in our choices, we serve, and God judges.
Catholic is not a denomination. I’ve seen this explained to you before, but I guess some believe if they repeat it enough it might be believed by other than themselves.
Catholic is not a denomination. I’ve seen this explained to you before, but I guess some believe if they repeat it enough it might be believed by other than themselves.
I have chosen what scriptures and other documentation has shown to be the Church Christ built. The mall came from private interpretation when each individual decided they could interpret scriptures for themselves, then some of them go off and lead others down that same path. Paul told the Hebrews to obey you prelates. People have made themselves prelates, assuming an authority upon themselves and through themselves.
I’ve asked a few questions and haven’t really seen answers. I’ve seen more questions or your opinion of what I’m doing and statements without any supporting documentation. Now that is ‘curious’.
I believe that I am in no position to judge how the Holy Spirit works with each individual.
Believe me, while my post was blunt and to the point it was not meant to be sarcastic and I still say that you have answered questions with questions.and I have not noticed any documentation presented.
You have not seen answers that you agree with, and so to you, they are not answers.
What you regard as supporting documentation is but documentation that you support.
I express Catholic denomination, when I see a Catholic view that is locked into the grip of believing the term Church [their definition of it] is their sole prerogative. Otherwise, the conversation becomes intractable, as it relates to the Christian historicity of the concept.
Your use of sarcasm toward me is uncharitable and diminishes your contribution to the discussion.
There is only one Holy Spirit and I’m not trying to divide Him. I just explained my view of how it’s illogical for me to understand how one Spirit of Truth tells different truths and it still remain one truth. Dividing that truth is presenting the better than argument.
There is ONE truth.
All Christian Churches came through the Catholic Church, directly or indirectly. There was only Catholic until the reformation. The truths they have came from the Catholic Church.
You are correct. But that isn’t my point.
I wanted to mention that you and I agree somewhat, considering your analogy of spiritual growth. What’s important is not to think one knows it all and to keep an open mind and heart in their walk, seeking Him.
I still can’t find the Thanks button (if there is such a thing). I would like to Thank this post!
In order for your theory to be valid, then the weaknesses of men have to be more powerful than God. If man, by falling away from God, can remove His Word from where He placed it, and nullify His promises, then God is weak, and ineffective.
Yes. And while one is praying and informing one’s conscience, one will discover that God will not reveal to one individual something that is contrary to what He has already revealed to His Church.
It is curious that your “faith steps” do not include God. It is all based on “you or I to get to the point”. I think that a faith walk devoid of the HS would, by definition, end up in a place other than where God intended.
You are setting up a false dichotomy, CMatt. The CAtholic Church teaches that she contains the entire body of believers. These are not contrary thoughts as you suggest.
He did. And He identifies HImself completely with His One Body, the Church.
Yes. Such a theory requires that Jesus did not keep His promises.
Yes, just like twisting the Scriptures, it is possible to twist the writings of the Fathers. One need only avoid certain passages and resist the meaning of others to reach a conclusion opposite of what the author believed.
This is another false dichotomy CMatt. Of course all these things are true. Just because something is a spiritual reality does not mean it lacks existence in the physical plane. Jesus had a “real spiritual body” after His resurrection that was able to pass through walls, etc. He still ate, and was touchable in the physical plane. One does not exclude the other.
I think they were, but it was also just a lack of faith. They did not trust, as the Apostles did, that the Truth would become clear in time.
Yes. If one rejects enough history and Scripture, as well as the teachings of the Apostles, one can construe any number of heresies.
What you seem to be implying, CMatt, is that all of these positions are valid.
Is this your measure of Truth? What you do or do not “particularly feel”?
It appears that you have still not forgiven this priest, CMatt. Lent might be a good time to consider this, since, if you continue to hold this against HIm, your heavenly father will not forgive you.
It is easy to sit back and find fault with the way others walk their walk.
When one’s eye is dark, how great is that darkness!
Making peace cannot be done by conmpromising the Truth. The issues, CMatt, exist in society. Jesus talked quite a bit about conservative views on issues. He taught the Aposltes every day for 3 years. He empowered them with the Seat of Moses, showed them how to interpret the scriptures, and gifted them with the ability to guide the faithful.
Indeed it does, but neither the false teachers, nor their bad fruits “subtract” from the once for all divine deposit of faith Christ gave to the Church. Many have a deficient view of the Church, and do not recognize that the HS cannot err, and since He is the Soul of the Church, she is infallible. Truth is not defined by those who depart from it.
Yes, we would assume that they should know better. However, people who depart from the Truth don’t invalidate the Apostolic Succession, either.
Indeed. One has to wonder if “they” ever had any faith in the first place.
Yes, you have given a very comprehensive answer, CMatt, and it does shed a lot of light on the reasons that you frequently post calumnies and outright lies about the Church. CLearly your faith has been very wounded.