Important question for Unitarian Christians

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Do you believe God is love? It’s in the Bible, after all.

So if God is love, how is God not a trinity? If God is not a trinity then God is not love.
Love requires a relationship.
The lover, God the Father.
The beloved, God the Son.
The love between the Father and Son, God the Holy Spirit.

Three persons, one God. God is love.
 
Do you believe God is love? It’s in the Bible, after all.

So if God is love, how is God not a trinity? If God is not a trinity then God is not love.
Love requires a relationship.
The lover, God the Father.
The beloved, God the Son.
The love between the Father and Son, God the Holy Spirit.

Three persons, one God. God is love.
Hi MarcusAndreas: That’s an interesting observation. Of course to me it’s all hypothetical, but if there is a God (and there may well be), He would exist outside of the causal world, which makes it possible for Him to be self-referential and outside the bounds of physics. In that case, I think it would be quite possible for God to be love without something to love.Kind of like a light that shines whether there is something to shine on or not, and if there is something to shine on, it shines on all of it equally.

I don’t think God being love is a necessary argument for a Trinity or that a Trinity makes the argument for God being love necessary. If there is a Trinity, then there is a Trinity simply because there is a Trinity. If God is love, then He is love simply because that is so. This is how I’m seeing it, but I also know that I’m not always right either. I also tend to be rather simplistic at times. So, in my simplistic way of looking at things, I am simply happy that you decided to focus on love when you think about God. I think that’s great!

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While I’m not a unitarian, I’m curious where you’re finding it saying in the bible that God is synonymous with love?
 
I’m not a Unitarian, but I have at times been especially attracted to Unitarianism (and Quakerism).
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Why? Because Unitarianism seems to allow so much space for exchange of views, for different beliefs, with respect for various faiths. Unlike Protestant fundamentalism and traditional Catholicism it doesn't claim to have a monopoly on spiritual truth.

 As for love, Unitarianism seem to focus particularly on the two commandments underscored by Christ: love God and love on another. Those Unitarians who are Christians (some aren't, of course) stress the message of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount rather than all the doctrines and dogmas about Jesus that have developed over the centuries. 

 Now, I also have a problem with Unitarianism. As a Christian I find that some Unitarians aren't all that open-minded when it comes to Christianity.They can wax eloquent about the scriptures and wisdom of, say, Hinduism and Buddhism and other non-Christian faiths, but some show a prejudice when it comes to Christianity. 

 But Unitarianism as a whole deserves an A- on any report card I would hand out. There are, of course, millions of 'Unitarianish' Christians in mainline Protestantism and even on the fringes of Catholicism who stay with their faith community for a variety of reasons,  even though they may think like Unitarians.
 
Roy: You’re thinking of Universalism, and the specific Unitarian-Universalist Church. Unitarian itself is the lack of belief in the trinity.
 
Well, answering for myself, I would say yes, God is love.

But, as I am not a Christian, the Bible has nothing to do with it.

To paraphrase the Rev. Christine Robinson, the Bible is a good book and contains some wisdom, but there are others.

I also don’t believe in the trinity. That is what the term Unitarian means. We believe in one God.

As Roy pointed out, even Christian Unitarians focus more on the teachings of Jesus rather than his divinity.

Roy is also correct that some UUs have a difficult time when it comes to Christianity and Christians. The reason is pretty simple - many are former Christians who converted because they either lost their faith in the divinity of Jesus or the actions and beliefs of some Christian sects became untenable for them.

It is unfortunate this is the case, but it is.

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I don't believe I'm confusing Unitarianism and Universalism. They share so much in common, of course, that in the USA they merged years ago to become the UU church.

They used to say that Unitarians believed man was too good to be damned, and Universalists believed that God was too good to damn man. Not a very precise definition, but interesting to contemplate.

Original Unitarianism shared a common thread with Arianism, in that Jesus was seen as quite special but not God, hence focusing on the unity of God rather than the trinity. Early Unitarians in America, such as Channing and Parker, were liberal Christians who emphasized the teachings of Christ while skeptical of or outright rejecting the idea that Jesus = God.  

 There is evidence that millions of mainline Protestants are 'Unitarianish' more or less as Channing, Parker, Emerson and others were. They seek to be loyal followers of Jesus but have basic doubts about what they suspect are man-manufactured myths (especially miracles) associated with him.

 It always has amazed me that Unitarianism never made more headway numerically here in America, though a disproportionate number of early reformers, poets, etc. had Unitarian connections or tendencies. Some were Unitarian Quakers (Hicksites) such as John Greenleaf Whittier. And, if I recall correctly, three presidents were Unitarian - the two Adamses and William Howard Taft. Perhaps it is a bit too cerebral for most Americans and too rational, lacking an emotional component which most people seem to need. 

  In any case, while I would feel discomfort as a Unitarian I admire its emphasis freedom of thought over the comformity required by traditional Catholicism or by evangelical Protestantism. There are an amazing number of free thinkers among Catholics, more and more of them, who stick with their church for a variety of reasons, such as family ties, friends, ethnic identification, etc. The estimate is that 30,000.000 US Catholics have left that faith, most of them to become liberal Protestants, evangelical Protestants, or nothing. UU congregations, while normally rather small, seem to include a high percentage of former Catholics, also.
 
While I’m not a unitarian, I’m curious where you’re finding it saying in the bible that God is synonymous with love?
1 John 4:8:
Whoever is without love does not know God, for God is love.


Try reading the Bible sometime, it’s amazing what you’ll find in there. :rolleyes:
 
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