Impossibility of God?

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With Omnipotance and Omniscience, the whole God makeing a rock he can’t lift, he knows all, knows what he will do in the future, cannot do anything different, therefore is not omnipotant

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God is outside time. He made time and space when He made creation. So He knows what will happen, because He is there at the time it happens, whether in the past or the future.

With God, His will, action, knowledge, thought and mercy and justice are all the same thing. He is all-powerful because nothing exists without Him making it exist and willing and knowing that it exists.
 
With Omnipotance and Omniscience, the whole God makeing a rock he can’t lift, he knows all, knows what he will do in the future, cannot do anything different, therefore is not omnipotant

Any help is appreciated
God can do all possible things. Since contradictions, such as a rock so heavy God can’t lift it is a contradiction, nonsense. Thus it is relevant because being omnipotent only means being capable of doing all possible things.
 
If I am watching the ESPN Super Bowl post-game show, which reviews the game and the entire season, the hosts can show clips from any moment during the past year. They can provide analysis, they can list statistics, and they can talk about who played well and poorly. There may even be officials on the show that created the rules by which the athletes play by. In the end though, not a single thing they did on the post-game show influenced the choices made by the players during the game. It was theirs to win or lose. And yet… they know each and every event that happened throughout the course of the season.

No contradiction. 👍
 
Of course God can create a rock which he cannot lift. You just haven’t thought out the possible senarios. I wrote a short monograph listing four separate instances. For this discussion let us confine ourselves to the trivial case: God creates a rock.
As long as there exists only one object (the rock just created) there is nothing from which to lift the rock. You can’t lift it. You can’t even be said to move it as there is no point of reference outside the object from which to observe or measure motion. The rock may be only a single subatomic particle for all that it matters. It suffices that there be only one object.

Please note that this is an application of Wittengstein’s OLP in which we demonstrate how language limits the meaning of statements and does not address transcendental realities.

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The answer to this question that I’ve found most satisfying is that which I read in Frank Sheed’s Theology and Sanity: as to the question of whether God can make a rock too heavy for God to lift, its not even worth pondering.

The question itself is quite literally meaningless. Its asking God to contradict his very nature, which of course He cannot do. It’s like asking God to create a square circle. What is a square circle? It is nothing. It has no existence and cannot have any existence because “squareness” cancels out “circleness” and vice versa. In the same way, a rock that is too heavy for God to lift can have no existence because nothing is impossible to God.
 
Theologically, the basic idea of “omnipotence” affirms that God is able to do anything that is consistent with his nature. For most Catholics, this last qualification excludes the possibility of God performing the logically absurd (e.g., making a square circle, causing 2+2 to equal 11, etc.). Thus, for us, “omnipotence” doesn’t suggest that God can do absolutely anything without qualification.

Blessings,

Don
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what gave you that idea
In classic Christian theology, one of the attributes ascribed to God’s nature is that of eternality, that is, that God is by nature “eternal” in the sense of being timeless. In this understanding, God transcends time, since he himself is the originator of all temporal reality. Hence, for God, there is no “before and after,” though he knows the temporal relations all events have to one another.

To answer your question directly, what gives us that idea is God himself, by means of divine revelation (i.e., Scripture and the authoritative teaching of the Church).

Truly,

Don
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In classic Christian theology, one of the attributes ascribed to God’s nature is that of eternality, that is, that God is by nature “eternal” in the sense of being timeless. In this understanding, God transcends time, since he himself is the originator of all temporal reality. Hence, for God, there is no “before and after,” though he knows the temporal relations all events have to one another.
the bible says the gift of god is eternal life. that means good catholics would also be timeless? outside of time?
 
God is unchanging. Time implies change … 3 states past,present,future … therefore God cannot be in time.
time merely implies the passage of events. doesnt mean something has to change with each passing nanosecond. god does things, right? that means he also has a past present & future.
 
time merely implies the passage of events. doesnt mean something has to change with each passing nanosecond. god does things, right? that means he also has a past present & future.
The passage of an event is change. With each nanosecond passed at the very least you are 1 nanosecond older … not exactly the same creature as before … impossible for us to see but reason says you are not the same.

How does God doing things mean God has a either a past or future? From my understanding of the nature of God He is in what I guess can be called the eternal present. Everything occurs to God as the present. God has no past and no future since it is all in the present.

We can see some this even today. Some things are called timeless since they seem to be unchanging. Mozart will be as beautiful 200 years from now as it was 200 years ago. I know the Mozart thing is simplistic but it does point to a concept of timelessness … a not changing.
 
Everything occurs to God as the present.
if that is true then everything should be inanimate. god would be like frozen in a picture. completely unchanging. eternally living in the present. a lifeless picture.

the bible says for god a day is like a thousand years. though theres a difference in time flow, there is still the passage of time for god. eternal life simply means living forever.
The passage of an event is change. With each nanosecond passed at the very least you are 1 nanosecond older … not exactly the same creature as before … impossible for us to see but reason says you are not the same.
there are many kinds of changes. changes in quality, changes in thought, changes in physiology, changes in movement. the bible shows that God moves: change in movement. the bible shows that God thinks: change in thought. even had regrets sometimes. so you see time passes even for a god.
 
the bible says the gift of god is eternal life. that means good catholics would also be timeless? outside of time?
Yes, though not in the same sense as God, who is not a creature and had no beginning in time. Human beings are finite, temporal creatures who had a beginning, and thus experience time as a duration of events. So the term “eternal” carries a different meaning when applied to human creatures than it does as it pertains to God, an infinite, divine being.

Pax,

Don
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Yes, though not in the same sense as God, who is not a creature and had no beginning in time. Human beings are finite, temporal creatures who had a beginning, and thus experience time as a duration of events. So the term “eternal” carries a different meaning when applied to human creatures than it does as it pertains to God, an infinite, divine being.
how can something outside of time have a beginning? thats contradictory. even so, god could have started from somewhere the same way. a finite creature that was able to bend reality and achieve infinity, eternity. its like the paradox of time travel. its just that he’s been around for so long he cant remember where he came from anymore. thus no beginning and no end. 😃
 
how can something outside of time have a beginning? thats contradictory.
As I pointed out, finite human creatures are not “eternal” in the same sense as is God (an infinite divine being). Human creatures are not outside of time, while God, who is infinite and had no beginning in time, is “eternal” in a non-temporal sense.
even so, god could have started from somewhere the same way.
Then it wouldn’t be “God” as properly understood, since a valid concept of God ascribes to him the qualities of eternality, self-existence, and transcendence. If the being we’re discussing had a beginning in time, then we’re no longer talking about God, but simply about another temporal creature.
a finite creature that was able to bend reality and achieve infinity, eternity.
Speculating is fun, but I wouldn’t give it much epistemological weight. In addition, the idea of a finite creature somehow becoming infinite involves an inherent category fallacy. The gap between the infinite and the finite is itself infinite. Therefore, the scenario you suggest, while fun to think about, is logically impossible, or, in philosophical terms, intrinsically absurd.

Pax,

Don
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Then it wouldn’t be “God” as properly understood, since a valid concept of God ascribes to him the qualities of eternality, self-existence, and transcendence. If the being we’re discussing had a beginning in time, then we’re no longer talking about God, but simply about another temporal creature.
Historically people did believe that the Gods had a beginnning.
Therefore, the scenario you suggest, while fun to think about, is logically impossible, or, in philosophical terms, intrinsically absurd.
the modern idea of ‘outside of time’ is logically impossible and absurd. think about it. as long as there is an observer there would always be a passage of time.
 
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