Impossible to tell what is center of solar system?

[Ranklyfrank]

Run this simulation. Pick the earth in the “follow object” box…

Yes. surely you note that it works equally well whichever planet one selects. So maybe we could start a cult in your name that claims Uranus to be the center of the solar system?

Simply put, the geocentrists emotionally and aberatively claim the particular subset of these calculations to be the One True Calculation, thus selecting an egoistic preference to be a comfort to their lack of integrity with fact regarding manifestation.

 

[buffalo]

Yes. surely you note that it works equally well whichever planet one selects. So maybe we could start a cult in your name that claims Uranus to be the center of the solar system?

Simply put, the geocentrists emotionally and aberatively claim the particular subset of these calculations to be the One True Calculation, thus selecting an egoistic preference to be a comfort to their lack of integrity with fact regarding manifestation.

Now this is really cool and only shows up when the earth is the center.

http://www.realityreviewed.com/Flower Pattern World.gif

http://www.realityreviewed.com/Flower Pattern Mars.gif
mars is the center

 

[Ranklyfrank]

Now this is really cool and only shows up when the earth is the center…mars is the center

Pretty colors; like a “spirograph.” “God” must like flowers.

Sources and maths, please? Especially for Coriolis effect and solar wind in these models.

Thanks, B

 

[Timothy17]

Run this simulation. Pick the earth in the “follow object” box…

Just awesome. Thanks buffalo

 

[Skeptic92]

Do you consider the ATP Synthase motor simple?

Compared to rational thought, hunting, or even something you may think is as simple as keeping our heart beating, at a regular pace?

Yes I do, and most of the scientific community regard bacteria as a “simple” form of life, compared to complex forms of life like humans.

 

[catholictiger]

I heard that the debate to what is the center of the solar system is useless. This is because there isn’t any background or stable base to tell what moves and what doesn’t. Anything may move, but we can’t tell because we have no stable object to test it from.

Does this idea hold any water?

to my knowledge no

in our study of the formation of other solar systems like our own we notice that they form in this way

1. 
   *]you will have a large cloud of dense gas cold gas
   
   *]something near by will cuase these clouds to move quicker and start to form things, super nova, passing star or other possible things
   
   *] then gas will start to collide the longer time goes by the more things begin to collide and the large things get, also becuase of the larger objects they start to have gravitational fields so they start to pull in smaller close obejects to make things even bigger, and sometimes two large objects will collide and either break into a million peices or combine and make a much large obejct.
   
   *] The center of this solar system is always the star being the most massive object it puts everything in orbit around itself
   
   *] slowly and slowly large rock and gas objects dominate the system, and start to clean up almost all the smaller objects to a point were things calm down and we have a system like we do know
   
   so to answer your question we do know the center of the solar system that is the sun.
   
   the universe though is another issue most astronomers hold the theory that there is no center and everything is expanding away from each-other no point of first expansion

 

[itsjustdave1988]

I heard that the debate to what is the center of the solar system is useless. This is because there isn’t any background or stable base to tell what moves and what doesn’t. Anything may move, but we can’t tell because we have no stable object to test it from.

Does this idea hold any water?

According to Einstein, its relative.

I thinks he’s wrong. I think the there is an absolute center of the universe, and it is my bellybutton.:yup:

 

[itsjustdave1988]

According to Einstein, its relative.

I thinks he’s wrong. I think the there is an absolute center of the universe, and it is my bellybutton.:yup:

And what I mean by “center” is the spacial-inertial center, the economic center, the religious center, the military center, the socio-political center, the legal center, the philosophical center…all centering on my bellybutton.

 

[buffalo]

Compared to rational thought, hunting, or even something you may think is as simple as keeping our heart beating, at a regular pace?

Yes I do, and most of the scientific community regard bacteria as a “simple” form of life, compared to complex forms of life like humans.

They used to, no longer.

 

[rossum]

And what I mean by “center” is the spacial-inertial center, the economic center, the religious center, the military center, the socio-political center, the legal center, the philosophical center…all centering on my bellybutton.

All centering on the fluff in your bellybutton. You are merely a frail physical vehicle for the cosmic fluff.

rossum

 

[Skeptic92]

They used to, no longer.

So how about you then ? do you consider bacteria a complex form of life, on a level with humanity for example?

 

[buffalo]

So how about you then ? do you consider bacteria a complex form of life, on a level with humanity for example?

Not on a level with humanity. But complex nonetheless. Check out some of the animations and peer reviewed papers on cellular machinery.

 

[Timothy17]

Simply put, the geocentrists emotionally and aberatively claim the particular subset of these calculations to be the One True Calculation, thus selecting an egoistic preference to be a comfort to their lack of integrity with fact regarding manifestation.

Speaking of emotionally and aberatively claiming things with an egoistic preference and lack of integrity…

You do realize it is evident to everyone who read your post that this paragraph is not a little egoistic, emotional and aberative, right ?

In a universe of relative motion where any object can be selected as the reference point for all of the rest, than it is perfectly logical to select an object most advantageous to our purposes. If Martians call us bigots, well, to hell with those Martians, let’s conquer their PC and hyper-sensitive little red butts and put them to work for us.

Pax Christi,
Tim

 

[Ranklyfrank]

Speaking of emotionally and aberatively claiming things with an egoistic preference and lack of integrity…

You do realize it is evident to everyone who read your post that this paragraph is not a little egoistic, emotional and aberative, right ?

In a universe of relative motion where any object can be selected as the reference point for all of the rest, than it is perfectly logical to select an object most advantageous to our purposes. If Martians call us bigots, well, to hell with those Martians, let’s conquer their PC and hyper-sensitive little red butts and put them to work for us.

Pax Christi,
Tim

QED what I said, Thanks!

 

[itsjustdave1988]

All centering on the fluff in your bellybutton. You are merely a frail physical vehicle for the cosmic fluff.

rossum

I call the fluff, “dark matter.”

 

[Timothy17]

QED what I said, Thanks!

Please, you did not demonstrate that motion is not a purely relative phenomenon, nor did you provide the slightest reason for why we should select something other than the earth for a fixed point of reference.

My point was that the abuse received by geocentrists for selecting the earth is irrational, as equally childish teasing could be levied against anyone selecting any other object for that purpose.

Now following Galileo’s errors, some - for principally mythological reasons, failing to realize many of the enlightenment scientists were often addicts of the esoteric schools or otherwise strangely obsessed with pagan mythologies - select the sun as the necessary or logical point of reference. Galileo proposed the sun as the center of the universe. This being false and unproven, every geocentrist is in his rights to call such persons anti-earthites or anti-earthlings for presumptuously depriving our native planet the benefit of an obvious doubt, much to the dishonour of our homeworld.

The Christian believes the created universe has its summation in man according to God’s express Will, that man is the crown and coronating jewel of creation, and hence his interests and considerations should be priority over any else found in it, in keeping with the demands of justice. So far no one and nothing has given us the slightest reason to doubt this, because we have yet to discover any corporeal creatures who could even debate us on this point, the gambling speculators and proverbial mad-scientists aside ; furthermore, even if such hypothetical creatures were to be discovered, what’s to say we are not still properly to be reckoned as above them in dignity or condition ?

If I am to be teased for having an affection for earth in prejudice of other, lifeless bodies, then so be it (being lifeless, they are incapable of caring) ; for there be many stars and many moons and many gaseous giants and many dead, mundane objects abounding in the universe ; nonetheless, none of these can boast of either containing life, and should they even, then still none could boast of containing human life, which peculiar oddity seperates our solar system, our sun, our moons and planets of having a particular and special distinction ; namely, us.

Pax Christi,
Tim

 

[ronnie_bonigli]

Please, you did not demonstrate that motion is not a purely relative phenomenon, nor did you provide the slightest reason for why we should select something other than the earth for a fixed point of reference.

My point was that the abuse received by geocentrists for selecting the earth is irrational, as equally childish teasing could be levied against anyone selecting any other object for that purpose.

Now following Galileo’s errors, some - for principally mythological reasons, failing to realize many of the enlightenment scientists were often addicts of the esoteric schools or otherwise strangely obsessed with pagan mythologies - select the sun as the necessary or logical point of reference. Galileo proposed the sun as the center of the universe. This being false and unproven, every geocentrist is in his rights to call such persons anti-earthites or anti-earthlings for presumptuously depriving our native planet the benefit of an obvious doubt, much to the dishonour of our homeworld.

The Christian believes the created universe has its summation in man according to God’s express Will, that man is the crown and coronating jewel of creation, and hence his interests and considerations should be priority over any else found in it, in keeping with the demands of justice. So far no one and nothing has given us the slightest reason to doubt this, because we have yet to discover any corporeal creatures who could even debate us on this point, the gambling speculators and proverbial mad-scientists aside ; furthermore, even if such hypothetical creatures were to be discovered, what’s to say we are not still properly to be reckoned as above them in dignity or condition ?

If I am to be teased for having an affection for earth in prejudice of other, lifeless bodies, then so be it (being lifeless, they are incapable of caring) ; for there be many stars and many moons and many gaseous giants and many dead, mundane objects abounding in the universe ; nonetheless, none of these can boast of either containing life, and should they even, then still none could boast of containing human life, which peculiar oddity seperates our solar system, our sun, our moons and planets of having a particular and special distinction ; namely, us.

Pax Christi,
Tim

I want you to imagine you have a baseball and you’ve attached about 5 feet of rope to it. You take the rope with the ball on the end and with your right hand start to swing it rodeo style so that the baseball is tracing a circular orbit centered above your head. Now would you claim that in Relativity any object can be considered at rest and the ball isn’t moving around your head, instead, you are actually orbiting around the ball, and the whole earth, and the stars in the sky are all moving relative to that stationary baseball?

Relativity says “calculations” in the laws of physics can be carried out considering any object to be at rest. But, MOTIONS that we see in things are still CAUSED. the ball is in the motion we see because we’ve applied energy from swinging our hand, and the motions of all the planets in the solar system is explained by they’re tracing an orbit around the sun due to the force of the sun’s gravitational pull. In reality, when you get away from “mere calculations” the earth is no more stationary that our baseball.

 

[Sufjon]

Hello all, could we please stay on topic? The possibility of life on other planets wasn’t the issue, it was the impossibility of telling the center of the solar system. If you want to talk about life, please start a different topic.

One more thing-is it proven without a doubt that larger objects in space (again, such as planets or the sun) have more of a pull than smaller objects?

Hi Abal: That’s correct. Gravity is not an element or force in and of itself. It is more of an epiphenomenon of the effects that objects have on the fabric of space-time. The larger the object, the more pronounced the effect, and hence the stronger the gravity created by the object. If you were to look at the space time fabric as a large elastic cloth and placed a bowling ball in the middle of it, you would see the fabric bend inward toward the ball, culminating with a bulge at the bottom under the ball. The angle or steepness of the bend in the fabric becomes more pronounced as you get closer to the ball. The gravity or bend is more pronounced as you get closer to the ball and less pronounced as you move farther away from the ball. If you were to shoot a marble into a trajectory that hits that bend, it will start to circle the bowling ball because it’s trapped in the bend. As the marble loses velocity, the orbit will start to deteriorate and the marble will slow down and gradually move closer to the bowling ball. Objects in space don’t lose their velocity nearly a fast as they do on earth, therefore an orbit can last a very long time. Anyway, if you were to reverse the order and put the marble in the center of the fabric, it would not create enough bend to trap the bowling ball in it’s orbit. In my example, the bowling ball would represent the sun and the marble represents the earth.

Here’s a picture:

google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.davidjarvis.ca/dave/gallery/lg/gravity-02.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.davidjarvis.ca/dave/gallery/&usg=__l_w9-BWhHqKjr8zhRR9uv55k5Rc=&h=2000&w=3000&sz=932&hl=en&start=195&zoom=1&tbnid=GxEQoradtQ4JIM:&tbnh=159&tbnw=235&ei=zUFlTZKdD8TdgQfVutCKBw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgravity%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D1148%26bih%3D648%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C6323&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=147&vpy=203&dur=719&hovh=183&hovw=275&tx=189&ty=149&oei=gkFlTa3xMofDgQeZrNzCBg&page=13&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:195&biw=1148&bih=648

Your friend
Sufjon

 

[Touchstone]

The Christian believes the created universe has its summation in man according to God’s express Will, that man is the crown and coronating jewel of creation, and hence his interests and considerations should be priority over any else found in it, in keeping with the demands of justice. So far no one and nothing has given us the slightest reason to doubt this, because we have yet to discover any corporeal creatures who could even debate us on this point, the gambling speculators and proverbial mad-scientists aside ; furthermore, even if such hypothetical creatures were to be discovered, what’s to say we are not still properly to be reckoned as above them in dignity or condition ?

I’m thinking this has to be a kind of parody, perhaps. But if not, this is a classic bit here, a vivid example of points I’m regularly trying to make here, and elsewhere.

If I am to be teased for having an affection for earth in prejudice of other, lifeless bodies, then so be it (being lifeless, they are incapable of caring) ; for there be many stars and many moons and many gaseous giants and many dead, mundane objects abounding in the universe ; nonetheless, none of these can boast of either containing life, and should they even, then still none could boast of containing human life, which peculiar oddity seperates our solar system, our sun, our moons and planets of having a particular and special distinction ; namely, us.

Pax Christi,
Tim

Man is really, really, really special! Here we have cosmic meaning, a sublime narrative, and it’s all about us.

-TS

 

[neophyte]

That isn’t the case. The barycenter – the center of mass – of the solar system moves around in large distances, well beyond the volume of the sun itself. See here:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ter.svg/380px-Solar_system_barycenter.svg.png

Or here’s a decent video that shows the moving barycenter in relation to the sun:
youtube.com/watch?v=_IHXj8k2jqc

I don’t have the figures handy but IIRC, the center of mass will be inside the radius of the sun for just less than 40% of the time during this century.

-TS

Interesting - I didn’t realize that it moved around as much as that.