Imprimatur for Latest Books from Robert Sungenis Denied

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In late 2006 the bishop of Harrisburg, PA denied the Imprimatur for volume 2 in the Catholic Apologetics Study Bible series, The Apocalypse of St. John, by Robert Sungenis. Additional details may be found here:

sungenisandthejews.blogspot.com/2007/06/sungenis-casb-apocalypse-of-st-john-and.html
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Before speculating, let’s wait for a statement from Robert Sungenis on this. My understanding is he intends to get an imprimatur.

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
 
Even if his book is already printed, a supplement with any correction(s) could be produced and put into the books and/or sent to sellers to give to those who have already purchased them. That is if the correction(s) is minor and limited.
 
trth_skr said:
Before speculating, let’s wait for a statement from Robert Sungenis on this. My understanding is he intends to get an imprimatur.

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
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If the Bishop denied it…why wait for Bob to say anything? The Bishop is the one who counts. Obviously the Shepard (BISHOP) is the one who knows and is responsible for leading his sheep correctly. Ask him.
 
What Mr. Wyatt (who may actually be Sungenis himself, the two sound very similar) seems to mean is that Sungenis is going to have to go and find another Bishop who will support him. That’s a rather questionable method, as I’m sure if you look long and hard enough you can find some bishop somewhere who will just about support anything. After all, liberal theologians have been doing that for years.

This should be a major red flag for people.
 
As was mentioned in a previous thread, Not By Bread Alone didn’t have an Imprimatur, and I highly recommend that book to anyone interested in the subject matter.

Sungenis is like a lot of things in the world: you have to sift through the good and the bad. For example, when Sungenis speaks of Jews or Israel, my brain turns off. Yet when Sungenis speaks of Greek in Matthew’s Gospel or debates James White, my brain craves more.
 
Penitus, I’m with you. 👍 But I don’t know about NBBA.

It is so sad, confusing and frustrating that he won’t stop attacking the Jewish people and just put all his energies into the kinds of things that helped everyone so much. 😦

Is there anyone that wouldn’t celebrate that?
 
Brenda4God said:
Penitus, I’m with you. 👍 But I don’t know about NBBA.

It is so sad, confusing and frustrating that he won’t stop attacking the Jewish people and just put all his energies into the kinds of things that helped everyone so much. 😦

Is there anyone that wouldn’t celebrate that?
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I know that B.Sungenis is seeking funding to support his stand on “the Jews”. Personally I am sure he is a good and an intelligent individual but, like many of us, our knowledge and,ego and “philosophy” may sometim4s carry us too far.

The voice and works of Theologians and useful and needed but eventually the Magisterium and the Bishops must discern with the “infused” Wisdom from God to determine Truths from Speculative Possibilities.

A good example is on the Theory of Evolution. The facts are left to Scientists and Physicists BUT the Truth of Creation is firmly rooted - God is the Creator and “Adam & Eve” (Although not necessary their REAL names) are the Original pair from whom the generations continue.
 
Thank you, Richardeekw. 🙂 You have a few points there to think about.
 
KarlAdam said:
What Mr. Wyatt (who may actually be Sungenis himself, the two sound very similar) seems to mean is that Sungenis is going to have to go and find another Bishop who will support him. That’s a rather questionable method, as I’m sure if you look long and hard enough you can find some bishop somewhere who will just about support anything. After all, liberal theologians have been doing that for years.

This should be a major red flag for people.
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If the first bishop rejects it does that mean the others need to also because of unanimous decision??

It seems it would be better if they would get a number of bishops together and have a vote whether the book gets an imprimteur or not…otherwise anyone could get their book stamped by just going/shopping to another bishop if the first one dosen’t do it
 
Renton405 said:
If the first bishop rejects it does that mean the others need to also because of unanimous decision??

It seems it would be better if they would get a number of bishops together and have a vote whether the book gets an imprimteur or not…otherwise anyone could get their book stamped by just going/shopping to another bishop if the first one dosen’t do it
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Canon law allows options- your diocese, the publisher’s diocese, or the CDF. His bishop suggested he go elsewhere.

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
 
Mark Wyatt,

You haven’t answered the questions I asked you about this on another thread. What are the answers?
WestonGrant said:
Mark Wyatt,

I asked you questions about this a month ago and you sounded like there were no problems with getting the imprimatur from Dr. Sungenis’ bishop for the Apocolypse study bible.

Is it true that his bishop turned him down for the imprimtur? And did you know about it when you answered back then?

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forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=153941&page=4
 
WestonGrant said:
Mark Wyatt,

You haven’t answered the questions I asked you about this on another thread. What are the answers?

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=153941&page=4
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I did know some things about it, but did not feel I should divulge the information. As Robert pointed out, he is in the process of getting an imprimatur. Do you know the statistics for first submittal imprimatur rejections?

Let’s say you married a girl. Do you feel obligated to tell everyone everytime she rejected you for a date before getting married? When you introduce her do you say, “This is my wife, Sandy. She rejected me for a date 4 times before agreeing to even go out with me”? Getting rejected for a date does not mean you do not have a chance for her hand.

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
 
Mark Wyatt,

Come on. You were asked if Sungenis was turned down by his bishop. And you were asked if there was any problem. You were being very misleading at least and led me to think everything was fine and that it was on its way.

And your analogy doesn’t fly with me. You don’t go around telling everyone the engagement is in process with a girl when she just shot you down.

If his own bishop turned him down then what makes you think everything is going to be fine with the other one? If I understand the letter right, Dr. Sungenis has to tell the other bishop he was turned down by his own bishop. And the article says his diocese hasn’t heard anything about an appeal. I hope he told the other bishop he was turned down.

The imprimatur was used like a marketing tool and you’ve been doing commercials for him here. It doesn’t look too good.

Listen, I like his books, but come on.
 
WestonGrant said:
Mark Wyatt,

Come on. You were asked if Sungenis was turned down by his bishop. And you were asked if there was any problem. You were being very misleading at least and led me to think everything was fine and that it was on its way.

And your analogy doesn’t fly with me. You don’t go around telling everyone the engagement is in process with a girl when she just shot you down.

If his own bishop turned him down then what makes you think everything is going to be fine with the other one? If I understand the letter right, Dr. Sungenis has to tell the other bishop he was turned down by his own bishop. And the article says his diocese hasn’t heard anything about an appeal. I hope he told the other bishop he was turned down.

The imprimatur was used like a marketing tool and you’ve been doing commercials for him here. It doesn’t look too good.

Listen, I like his books, but come on.
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I was quite clear that it did not have an imprimatur. I also stated he is in the process of getting one. Both are true. Sometimes getting rejected is part of the process of getting one. I recommended the book with or without the imprimatur, and still do.

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
 
trth_skr said:
I was quite clear that it did not have an imprimatur. I also stated he is in the process of getting one. Both are true. Sometimes getting rejected is part of the process of getting one. I recommended the book with or without the imprimatur, and still do.

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
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The words you picked gave a very misleading impression about what was going on and I think you know that. You wanted people to think everything was coming along normally with no problems. It comes out that its not true now.

The question wasn’t if he had an imprimatur. Everyone knew that as far as I can tell. So I don’t know why you keep saying that.

This is more like getting a rejection for a water quality test and telling people everything is going along fine with the testing and that its’ in the process because a legal re-test appeal might come out okay. Well what if it doesn’t come out okay again? What about everyone you made think the water was okay and they drink the water based on that misleading idea?

And go back to your own analogy. You ask your girlfiend to marry you. She says no. Your friends ask you how the proposal went and if she turned you down or said yes. You say only, “I’m still in the process of asking her to marry me, its in the works.”

Were you honest with your friends? Not by a long shot.
 
WestonGrant said:
The words you picked gave a very misleading impression about what was going on and I think you know that. You wanted people to think everything was coming along normally with no problems. It comes out that its not true now.

The question wasn’t if he had an imprimatur. Everyone knew that as far as I can tell. So I don’t know why you keep saying that.

This is more like getting a rejection for a water quality test and telling people everything is going along fine with the testing and that its’ in the process because a legal re-test appeal might come out okay. Well what if it doesn’t come out okay again? What about everyone you made think the water was okay and they drink the water based on that misleading idea?
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No, because the water is fine, actually quite good.
WestonGrant said:
And go back to your own analogy. You ask your girlfiend to marry you. She says no. Your friends ask you how the proposal went and if she turned you down or said yes. You say only, “I’m still in the process of asking her to marry me, its in the works.”

Were you honest with your friends? Not by a long shot.
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No, you are engaged. True she rejected you for a few dates, but it is not necassary to say anything. You are in the process of getting married. Robert has written the book, it is excellent, and should be able to get an imprimatur.

If it cannot get an imprimatur because it is necassary to teach that the Mosaic covenant is salvific in order to get one, then I will say, do without the imprimatur. On the other hand, not all bishops are going to push that type of an agenda. Either way the book is what it is.

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
 
trth_skr said:
No, because the water is fine, actually quite good.
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But come on, you aren’t the testing official. Who are you to say everything is fine when the only official to test it says it isn’t fine? The bishops are the official authority. I’m not and you’re not either. The only official test I know of so far said there’s a problem, from Dr. Sungenis’ bishop.
trth_skr said:
No, you are engaged. True she rejected you for a few dates, but it is not necassary to say anything.
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You think you’re engaged when your girlfriend says no to your marriage proposal? :rolleyes: And if I gave those kind of excuses to my friends about why I didn’t tell them the truth I doubt they would be my friends for very long.
trth_skr said:
You are in the process of getting married. Robert has written the book, it is excellent, and should be able to get an imprimatur.
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Right now it looks more like you’re sending out wedding invitations after your girlfriend just turned you down, hoping she’ll change her mind in time for the wedding.
trth_skr said:
If it cannot get an imprimatur because it is necassary to teach that the Mosaic covenant is salvific in order to get one, then I will say, do without the imprimatur. On the other hand, not all bishops are going to push that type of an agenda. Either way the book is what it is.
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Is that why Dr. Sungenis’ bishop turned him down? Do you know that?

Look, to me this isn’t as much about Dr. Sungenis as it is you right now. I just don’t appreciate the misleading things you’ve been telling me going back a month or more now. I even started to believe your answers after. I think the other part that bothers me is that you were out here complaining about Barber and Hahn, saying they were acting like Protestants for the way they interpreted the Apocolypse.

Like I said, the question wasn’t about whether it had an imprimatur. It was about if it was turned down, when it was sent and if anything came back from his bishop. I wasn’t the only one asking you questions. You were being very misleading with the words you used and tried to make people think everything was fine by using words in a clever way. Everything wasn’t fine. And I don’t appreciate it.

Maybe you’re just trying to protect your friend but the way you’re doing it isn’t cool.
 
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