Improperly Catechised

[Seamus_L]

It’s a term I hear occasionally and I was wondering if it’s use is valid. Do we have alot of Catholics who were improperly catechised, or is it more of a case of large numbers who just choose to reject Catholic teachings. If you believe it’s the former, in what ways do you see people being improperly catechised ?

 

[lax16]

It’s a term I hear occasionally and I was wondering if it’s use is valid. Do we have alot of Catholics who were improperly catechised, or is it more of a case of large numbers who just choose to reject Catholic teachings. If you believe it’s the former, in what ways do you see people being improperly catechised ?

Yes, I believe many Catholics of my generation were improperly catechised and **under **catechised. For instance, one hour of CCD a week left enough time for us to memorize prayers and not much else. For the sacrament of Confirmation, I remember being asked by a nun to select a saint’s name to use - I picked a name that was not even a saint name because no one had ever bothered to discuss the saints with me! (And I was raised in a Catholic home!)

I am of the opinion that people in my age group (40’s) that were improperly catechised either shy away from passing on their faith or pass it on in a very loosey-goosey way. For example, I was told there is no longer a need to teach the 10 Commandments to CCD students because all they need to know is that they should love one another. If they love one another, then they would never break a commandment. Huh??

I have spent the last five years reading a great deal about the saints, early Church history, the catechism, etc in an attempt to “catch up” on all that was left out over the years. I have always loved the Catholic Church (despite not knowing anything about the nuts and bolts of it), but now I am *in love *with it! What an abyss of inspirational information I have fall into!

I have never rejected the teachings of the Catholic Church, thanks be to God.

 

[doanli]

Yes, I believe many Catholics of my generation were improperly catechised and **under **catechised. For instance, one hour of CCD a week left enough time for us to memorize prayers and not much else. For the sacrament of Confirmation, I remember being asked by a nun to select a saint’s name to use - I picked a name that was not even a saint name because no one had ever bothered to discuss the saints with me! (And I was raised in a Catholic home!)

I am of the opinion that people in my age group (40’s) that were improperly catechised either shy away from passing on their faith or pass it on in a very loosey-goosey way. For example, I was told there is no longer a need to teach the 10 Commandments to CCD students because all they need to know is that they should love one another. If they love one another, then they would never break a commandment. Huh??

I have spent the last five years reading a great deal about the saints, early Church history, the catechism, etc in an attempt to “catch up” on all that was left out over the years. I have always loved the Catholic Church (despite not knowing anything about the nuts and bolts of it), but now I am *in love *with it! What an abyss of inspirational information I have fall into!

I have never rejected the teachings of the Catholic Church, thanks be to God.

I could have written this myself. (I am also in my 40s)

It seems I remember being taught along the lines of the Baltimore Catechism until 4th or 5th grade and then it was all about “Love” and odd looking drawings supposedly representing Christ, the Blessed Mother, the Apostles, etc.

Seems I’m learning something new every day. Making sure also that my 12 year old gets the catechism he needs, that I didn’t get when I was his age.

 

[PJM]

=Seamus L;7488822]It’s a term I hear occasionally and I was wondering if it’s use is valid. Do we have alot of Catholics who were improperly catechised, or is it more of a case of large numbers who just choose to reject Catholic teachings. If you believe it’s the former, in what ways do you see people being improperly catechised ?

NOT only is it sadly true; one might suggest that in the past fifty years or so, TRUE teaching of the Roman Catholic Faith, has been aLL but nearly non-existent.

These FACTS seem to support this understanding:

QUOTED from **The decline of the Catholic Clergy in the U.S.A.

**Priests
Between 1930 and 1965, the number of priests in the United States more than doubled to 58,000.

Since then the number has fallen to 45,000.

By 2020, there will be only 31,000 priests left, and more than half of these priests will be over 70.

In 1965, 1,575 new priests were ordained in the United States. In 2002, the number was 450.

In 1965, only 1% of U.S. parishes were without a priest. In 2002 this number is 15%.

Between 1965 and 2002, the number of seminarians dropped from 49,000 to 4,700.
Two-thirds of the 600 seminaries that were operating in 1965 have now closed.

In 1958, a Gallup Poll reported that 74% of Catholics then attended church on Sundays.
In 1965, it seems that 65% attended, according to a recent Fordham University study.
In 1994, it seems that 27% attended church, according to study by the University of Notre Dame.
In 2000, the rate was 25%, according to the Fordham study.
Indicative beliefs

70% of all Catholics in the age group 18 to 44 believe the Eucharist is a “symbolic reminder” of Jesus.

90% of lay religious teachers reject church teaching on contraception.

53% believe a Catholic can have an abortion and remain a good Catholic.

65% believe that Catholics may divorce and remarry.

75% believe one can be a good Catholic without attending mass on Sundays.

And The number of Catholics who “even once per year” Go to the sacrament of Confession
has dropped from about 70% in 1970 to 10% or less currently!

A survey from the Cardinal Newman Society’s (CNS) Center for the Study of Catholic Higher Education of 506 students (251 current students and 255 recent graduates or attendees under 30 years of age) finds that:

Only 64% of practicing Catholics said they agreed that the fullness of God’s truth is found in the Catholic Church.

Only 66% agreed that “the communion bread and wine at Mass” truly become the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.

61% agreed that women should be allowed to become Catholic priests.

About 50% agreed that abortion should be legal, that premarital sex “with someone you really care about” is not a sin and that same-sex marriage should be legal.

70% disagreed with the idea that using a condom to prevent pregnancy is a serious sin.

"What is clear, however, is that current students… are also leaving the Catholic Church.

Among current students who say they were Catholic at some point during their studies, four percent report that they are no longer Catholic. The percent of Catholic students leaving the Church over the course of a Catholic college education (usually four years) may actually be larger than this, because the current students who responded to the survey are of different ages, and most of them still have one or more years of study before they graduate."

The full survey, titled “Behaviors and Beliefs of Current and Recent Students at U.S. Catholic Colleges,” may be viewed at www.CatholicHigherEd.org

So there is such an UNGENT need for proper catecheis that Pope Benedict recently formed a CURIA LEVEL department priecisely to re intorduce - cathechis to counties “Once strongly Catholic.” LET AND PRAY FRO AND SUPPORT THIS EFFORT

May God have Mercy on us!
Pat

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Yes, I believe many Catholics of my generation were improperly catechised and **under **catechised. For instance, one hour of CCD a week left enough time for us to memorize prayers and not much else. For the sacrament of Confirmation, I remember being asked by a nun to select a saint’s name to use - I picked a name that was not even a saint name because no one had ever bothered to discuss the saints with me! (And I was raised in a Catholic home!)

I am of the opinion that people in my age group (40’s) that were improperly catechised either shy away from passing on their faith or pass it on in a very loosey-goosey way. For example, I was told there is no longer a need to teach the 10 Commandments to CCD students because all they need to know is that they should love one another. If they love one another, then they would never break a commandment. Huh??

I have spent the last five years reading a great deal about the saints, early Church history, the catechism, etc in an attempt to “catch up” on all that was left out over the years. I have always loved the Catholic Church (despite not knowing anything about the nuts and bolts of it), but now I am *in love *with it! What an abyss of inspirational information I have fall into!

I have never rejected the teachings of the Catholic Church, thanks be to God.

Don’t leave out us poorly-catechised converts.

 

[ConstantineTG]

It’s a term I hear occasionally and I was wondering if it’s use is valid. Do we have alot of Catholics who were improperly catechised, or is it more of a case of large numbers who just choose to reject Catholic teachings. If you believe it’s the former, in what ways do you see people being improperly catechised ?

The fact that many aren’t even aware of what the Church teaching are on certain topics. In other cases, people reject Church teaching because they don’t know why its wrong in the first place.

 

[Barbkw]

IMO, it’s both an institutional failure and a personal failure.

I grew up in the 60’s-80’s, public school educated, CCD on Wednesday, and by graduation I was already a prodigal daughter.

In Confirmation, the Holy Spirit bounced off me like a Super Ball hitting concrete.

I think that time period was an absolute Perfect Storm for screwing up the Christian faith.

Althou, I now think that all centuries are primed for that to happen. However, now, with constantly increasing contact and likelihood.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Yes, I believe many Catholics of my generation were improperly catechised and **under **catechised. For instance, one hour of CCD a week left enough time for us to memorize prayers and not much else. For the sacrament of Confirmation, I remember being asked by a nun to select a saint’s name to use - I picked a name that was not even a saint name because no one had ever bothered to discuss the saints with me! (And I was raised in a Catholic home!)

I am of the opinion that people in my age group (40’s) that were improperly catechised either shy away from passing on their faith or pass it on in a very loosey-goosey way. For example, I was told there is no longer a need to teach the 10 Commandments to CCD students because all they need to know is that they should love one another. If they love one another, then they would never break a commandment. Huh??

I have spent the last five years reading a great deal about the saints, early Church history, the catechism, etc in an attempt to “catch up” on all that was left out over the years. I have always loved the Catholic Church (despite not knowing anything about the nuts and bolts of it), but now I am *in love *with it! What an abyss of inspirational information I have fall into!

I have never rejected the teachings of the Catholic Church, thanks be to God.

Catechisis should be beyond CCD and RCIA. Catechisis should involve a lot including praish life. If our parish has many activities that promote Church teaching such as pro-Life prayer groups, pro-Life rallies, helping the needy and poor, etc, the you also learn by doing. The priest can also teach with his homilies.

 

[Barbkw]

Under our new priest, we are now receiving adult faith formation (Compendium of the Cathechism classes).

I was reverted back by EWTN. From there, I started doing computer searches for information on all the lost years.

When I asked my priest (who’s now transferred to another parish) about putting out EWTN flyers in the pews, he said he didn’t agree with EWTN spiritually and he didn’t want their information to be distributed.

A year later, Pope Benedict award EWTN with the Cross of Honor for Service to the Church and the Pope.

P.S. Something’s wrong in a parish when people don’t know what RCIA is or does.

P.S.S. I had to go online searching for an adult examination of conscience guide for Reconciliation. Shouldn’t those be available in booklet form at the back of each Church?

 

[GrandmaRose]

There’s also another way of looking at this, although not a popular view on this very conservative Forum.

Instead of using the “poorly catechized” catch-all phrase, maybe consider that many people (actually, far more than consider themselves “traditional” or "orthodox (little o) Catholics) actually WERE “properly catechized” in the immediate pre- and post-Vatican II era, which stresses love for God and others and service to one another versus the post-reformation (until Vat II) stance which emphasized the primacy of rules, law and obedience to law under fear of hell.

I was reared in the late 1940;s, early 1950’s, which you here would have to admit guaranteed “proper catechization” according to your standards. However – the change in theological emphasis post VII taught me that as I am adult in all other areas of my life, so too can I act as an adult in my spiritual life. I can seek to know the Church’s position and teaching on various issues, but I’ve also been given intelligence, a conscience and the God-given freedom to use my conscience in the manner in which I conform to those laws.

I, and the millions like me whom you probably label (and libel) as “cafeteria Catholics” – or not even Catholics at all – live in the 21st century, not the 15th. Our eyes have been opened by the movement of the Spirit and a return to Gospel values – unlike the organizational Church which is mired in its monarchical model and quest for power and the expression of that power through ultra-authoritarianism. This happened during JPII’s papal reign and continues today through the reactionary conservatism. We see a completely different (official) Church than you do, and it’s not a pretty picture, nor does it remotely resemble Jesus’ Suffering Servant.

If that Roman model suits most of you, as it certainly appears to, I say, enjoy this cyclical wave you’re riding. Every long-lived institution moves between conservatism and liberalism, and the latter is certainly on the rise as long as conservative Popes continue to appoint their conservative buddies as Cardinals and Bishops, since they are the only decision-making body.

It sounds very condescending to me to assume that contemporary Catholics don’t live to your religious standards because we “weren’t taught correctly.” While that may be true in a small part, it’s certainly not true for every person who lives his/her Catholic faith according to the theological emphasis used in post-VII teaching. It’s ridiculous and false to blame every perceived wrong present in the Church now to inferior teaching and learning. Maybe blame instead the five- or seven-hundred-year gap between Church ideology and the realities of life in this century. I think you’d be closer in your assumption.

BTW, I’m not a “cafeteria Catholic” by any means, but my mind and vision are certainly more open than the general vision here on CAF.

.

 

[maryj]

Yes, I believe many Catholics of my generation were improperly catechised and **under **catechised. For instance, one hour of CCD a week left enough time for us to memorize prayers and not much else. For the sacrament of Confirmation, I remember being asked by a nun to select a saint’s name to use - I picked a name that was not even a saint name because no one had ever bothered to discuss the saints with me! (And I was raised in a Catholic home!)

I am of the opinion that people in my age group (40’s) that were improperly catechised either shy away from passing on their faith or pass it on in a very loosey-goosey way. For example, I was told there is no longer a need to teach the 10 Commandments to CCD students because all they need to know is that they should love one another. If they love one another, then they would never break a commandment. Huh??

I have spent the last five years reading a great deal about the saints, early Church history, the catechism, etc in an attempt to “catch up” on all that was left out over the years. I have always loved the Catholic Church (despite not knowing anything about the nuts and bolts of it), but now I am *in love *with it! What an abyss of inspirational information I have fall into!

I have never rejected the teachings of the Catholic Church, thanks be to God.

I could have written this myself. (I am also in my 40s)

It seems I remember being taught along the lines of the Baltimore Catechism until 4th or 5th grade and then it was all about “Love” and odd looking drawings supposedly representing Christ, the Blessed Mother, the Apostles, etc.

Seems I’m learning something new every day. Making sure also that my 12 year old gets the catechism he needs, that I didn’t get when I was his age.

The fact that many aren’t even aware of what the Church teaching are on certain topics. In other cases, people reject Church teaching because they don’t know why its wrong in the first place.

In my 40’s…all of the above…except I went to catholic school with nuns as teachers.

 

[Redratfish]

I think it is a little of both, this will be a long post:

For me in highschool, I see a side of both, under catechised, but also rejection of Church teachings.

Often times, it starts as being under Catechised, however, by the time that someone like myself says what official Church teaching is, it is too late to influence someone’s opinion, as they have been swayed by the secular media.

Much of the problem I think has to deal with the lack of apologetics classes at Catholic Schools. I went to a private Catholic school for all grade school. 8th grade, second semster was the only time I was taught authentically Catholic beliefs, and reasons for them (aside from regular Church attendance of course). All the rest of the religion classes were basic Christianity through 6th grade. In 6 grade we covered the Old Testament, 7th the new Testament, and in 8th, world religion, and finally at the very end, actual Catholic beliefs.

Over the past 2 years, I have grown to love apologetics, and the Church. However, I can guarentee, 99 percent of my class did not. Even the ones who continued onto the private Catholic highschool (I go to public school now), are no more Catholic than a Baptist is. They do not understand transubstantiation, the authority of the Papacy, contraception, or why cohabiation is a serious sin even if you stay chaste.

I was never introduced to the Baltimore Catechism, but on this forum, many people appear to have liked it when it was in use. I do not know why it was discontinued, but if it helped the previous generation, then I suppose it is probably better than what I have now.

However, as I mentioned earlier, it is partially the parents fault, as they do not support the Church at all, instead leaving it up to CCD, or other programs. Or worse, they do as my parents do and say that they support the Church, but disagree on issues that are non negotiable.

It is a sad fact, but unless something drastic is done, I fear the the young Catholics of my generation will not be able to compete with the evangelical/mainline Protestants, and we will see a mass exodus from the Church, or at least a Catholic Church in north America that does not abide by the teachings of the Church.

By drastic measure, I do not mean something like the new translation, this will do nothing, and in fact I fear it will make things worse, because highschool Catholics do not like it, and it does not make gramatical sense (myself included). I think a revamp of the education is what is needed, history of the Church, apologetics, all need to be focused on. Not just “Oh yes, Jesus was the son of God” for 5 years. If that was the only Bible learning I was going to get, I might as well have gone to a Baptist school.

Peace

 

[Flavius_Aetius]

Yes, I would say this generation and many past ones have been Improperly and Under Catechised. While I love the Parish I go to and find it to be lively and the masses meaningful; there preparation for Communion was less to be desired. It ended up being more or less a Teen bible study and even then it had no strict schedule to it. I honestly can’t recall learning a single thing about my faith that stuck from that class; hence why I end up having so many questions and doubts about every small detail in the Catechism.

 

[Barbkw]

In the 60s-80s, where I grew up, Mom’s were CCD teachers. God bless them, but they sucked.

The nuns were retiring, apparently sick of Catholic children and / or had already taken off to practice “social justice” elsewhere.

In highschool we were also taught the touchy feely “love each other” -rap. Which by the way, the majority of us interpreted as approval for sexual experimentation.

(In the 1960-70’s drug culture, it was a really stupid idea to only teach “love each other”.)

 

[archangel04]

There’s also another way of looking at this, although not a popular view on this very conservative Forum.

Instead of using the “poorly catechized” catch-all phrase, maybe consider that many people (actually, far more than consider themselves “traditional” or "orthodox (little o) Catholics) actually WERE “properly catechized” in the immediate pre- and post-Vatican II era, which stresses love for God and others and service to one another versus the post-reformation (until Vat II) stance which emphasized the primacy of rules, law and obedience to law under fear of hell.

I was reared in the late 1940;s, early 1950’s, which you here would have to admit guaranteed “proper catechization” according to your standards. However – the change in theological emphasis post VII taught me that as I am adult in all other areas of my life, so too can I act as an adult in my spiritual life. I can seek to know the Church’s position and teaching on various issues, but I’ve also been given intelligence, a conscience and the God-given freedom to use my conscience in the manner in which I conform to those laws.

I, and the millions like me whom you probably label (and libel) as “cafeteria Catholics” – or not even Catholics at all – live in the 21st century, not the 15th. Our eyes have been opened by the movement of the Spirit and a return to Gospel values – unlike the organizational Church which is mired in its monarchical model and quest for power and the expression of that power through ultra-authoritarianism. This happened during JPII’s papal reign and continues today through the reactionary conservatism. We see a completely different (official) Church than you do, and it’s not a pretty picture, nor does it remotely resemble Jesus’ Suffering Servant.

If that Roman model suits most of you, as it certainly appears to, I say, enjoy this cyclical wave you’re riding. Every long-lived institution moves between conservatism and liberalism, and the latter is certainly on the rise as long as conservative Popes continue to appoint their conservative buddies as Cardinals and Bishops, since they are the only decision-making body.

It sounds very condescending to me to assume that contemporary Catholics don’t live to your religious standards because we “weren’t taught correctly.” While that may be true in a small part, it’s certainly not true for every person who lives his/her Catholic faith according to the theological emphasis used in post-VII teaching. It’s ridiculous and false to blame every perceived wrong present in the Church now to inferior teaching and learning. Maybe blame instead the five- or seven-hundred-year gap between Church ideology and the realities of life in this century. I think you’d be closer in your assumption.

BTW, I’m not a “cafeteria Catholic” by any means, but my mind and vision are certainly more open than the general vision here on CAF.

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Just wow, and you label us as conservatives and traditionalist. It sounds to me like you live for this world and its agendas. We look towards the pope who Christ appointed to take care of His Church. So I guess all those saints from previous centuries were lind uh? There eyes were not open because the “spirit” did not move among them. Are you hearing yourself speak? And what are you open to? Please explain

 

[ProVobis]

By drastic measure, I do not mean something like the new translation, this will do nothing, and in fact I fear it will make things worse, because highschool Catholics do not like it, and it does not make gramatical sense (myself included). I think a revamp of the education is what is needed, history of the Church, apologetics, all need to be focused on. Not just “Oh yes, Jesus was the son of God” for 5 years. If that was the only Bible learning I was going to get, I might as well have gone to a Baptist school.

Peace

Well something’s going to have to be done. And judging by the latest U.S. scores in math, science, and reading, it’s not only proper catechism that we should be worried about.

 

[Barbkw]

*"…unlike the organizational Church which is mired in its monarchical model and quest for power and the expression of that power through ultra-authoritarianism. This happened during JPII’s papal reign and continues today through the reactionary conservatism. We see a completely different (official) Church than you do, and it’s not a pretty picture, nor does it remotely resemble Jesus’ Suffering Servant.

If that Roman model suits most of you, as it certainly appears to, I say, enjoy this cyclical wave you’re riding. Every long-lived institution moves between conservatism and liberalism, and the latter is certainly on the rise as long as conservative Popes continue to appoint their conservative buddies as Cardinals and Bishops, since they are the only decision-making body."*



Are you a supporter of woman priests?

 

[laszlo]

St Bonaventura especially loved the simple Frater Egidius. Once, as they conversed together, Brother Egidius said: “Father, God has bestowed many graces on you, who are learned, but what shall we do to save ourselves, who are but poor ignorant creatures?” “If” replied Bonaventure, “God had bestowed on us nothing but the gift of divine love, it would suffice, because love is more pleasing to Him than anything else we can offer.” “Tell me then”, continued Giles, “if an ignorant person can love God as well as a learned man?” “A simple poor old woman can love God as much, or more, than a doctor of theology.” Not sooner was it uttered , than the firr ran into the garden, and standing at the gate cried aloud: “Poor ignorant people, love God and Jesus Christ, and you shall be greater the Brother Bonaventura.”

The life of Saint Francis of Assisi: and a sketch of the Franciscan order
edited by Pamfilo Da Magliano page 81

books.google.com/books?id=_Kk_AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=assisi+egidius+bonaventura&source=bl&ots=V2pFVSoq5h&sig=mGJ5S5vvJhOONlB8jMi3dS81TB0&hl=en&ei=exQ-Te7lEobGlQeMu4XqBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[PJM]

=GrandmaRose;7489231]There’s also another way of looking at this, although not a popular view on this very conservative Forum.

Instead of using the “poorly catechized” catch-all phrase, maybe consider that many people (actually, far more than consider themselves “traditional” or "orthodox (little o) Catholics) actually WERE “properly catechized” in the immediate pre- and post-Vatican II era, which stresses love for God and others and service to one another versus the post-reformation (until Vat II) stance which emphasized the primacy of rules, law and obedience to law under fear of hell.

I was reared in the late 1940;s, early 1950’s, which you here would have to admit guaranteed “proper catechization” according to your standards. However – the change in theological emphasis post VII taught me that as I am adult in all other areas of my life, so too can I act as an adult in my spiritual life. I can seek to know the Church’s position and teaching on various issues, but I’ve also been given intelligence, a conscience and the God-given freedom to use my conscience in the manner in which I conform to those laws.

I, and the millions like me whom you probably label (and libel) as “cafeteria Catholics” – or not even Catholics at all – live in the 21st century, not the 15th. Our eyes have been opened by the movement of the Spirit and a return to Gospel values – unlike the organizational Church which is mired in its monarchical model and quest for power and the expression of that power through ultra-authoritarianism. This happened during JPII’s papal reign and continues today through the reactionary conservatism. We see a completely different (official) Church than you do, and it’s not a pretty picture, nor does it remotely resemble Jesus’ Suffering Servant.

If that Roman model suits most of you, as it certainly appears to, I say, enjoy this cyclical wave you’re riding. Every long-lived institution moves between conservatism and liberalism, and the latter is certainly on the rise as long as conservative Popes continue to appoint their conservative buddies as Cardinals and Bishops, since they are the only decision-making body.

It sounds very condescending to me to assume that contemporary Catholics don’t live to your religious standards because we “weren’t taught correctly.” While that may be true in a small part, it’s certainly not true for every person who lives his/her Catholic faith according to the theological emphasis used in post-VII teaching. It’s ridiculous and false to blame every perceived wrong present in the Church now to inferior teaching and learning. Maybe blame instead the five- or seven-hundred-year gap between Church ideology and the realities of life in this century. I think you’d be closer in your assumption.

BTW, I’m not a “cafeteria Catholic” by any means, but my mind and vision are certainly more open than the general vision here on CAF.

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No Christian and NO CATHOLIC ought ever to make light of the ABSOLUTE NEED AT ALL TIMES FOR CHARITY.

Were One to ask for a ONE word defination of the ENTIRE BIble Message, that word it seems to me, would be Love. And is this not the “New Commandment given by Jesus Himself.”

That said: One who truly loves will be humbly and FULLY OBEDIENT to what the Catholic Church Teaches on ALL MATTERS of Faith and Morals. Like it or not; the Pope and the MAgisterium are the “keepers of the key’s to heaven.” [ALL OF THEM] an the "narroe gate the bible speaks about is Christ Catholic Chuch. **[READ Jn. 14:16-17 and Jn. 17:14-19; then read again Matt. 16:15-19.] **

There are a GREAT MANY things that God does not allow us to have personal opinions on** READ Isa. 55:8-9.** For example: The Commandnents and Obedience to them is NOT an option.

QUESTION: Is holding a persoal view in opposation to CC Teaching worth risking ones
Eternal Salvaton? THAT MY FRIENDS is the risk, such a person takes.

God Bless,
Pat

 

[simspt]

If that Roman model suits most of you, as it certainly appears to, I say, enjoy this cyclical wave you’re riding. Every long-lived institution moves between conservatism and liberalism, and the latter is certainly on the rise as long as conservative Popes continue to appoint their conservative buddies as Cardinals and Bishops, since they are the only decision-making body.

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Let us hope it never moves too far liberal in relation to faith and morals…