Impure Thoughts

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😊 Being a teenage girl, I accept that I will have some thoughts on the opposite sex that stray in the ā€œintimateā€. I also know that brief thoughts on these sorts of things are venial sins. But how brief should they be? When does it become a mortal sin? Is it okay to think about kissing or tender embraces? I’m just having a very hard time finding the line and am feeling extremely distressed about it. I also want to know where the line is in art. What is an appropriate expression of affection in drawing or pictures and when does it go too far? Thank you. God Bless
 
😊 Being a teenage girl, I accept that I will have some thoughts on the opposite sex that stray in the ā€œintimateā€. I also know that brief thoughts on these sorts of things are venial sins. But how brief should they be? When does it become a mortal sin? Is it okay to think about kissing or tender embraces? I’m just having a very hard time finding the line and am feeling extremely distressed about it. I also want to know where the line is in art. What is an appropriate expression of affection in drawing or pictures and when does it go too far? Thank you. God Bless
Venial? I never considered harboring impure thoughts to be venial. If they pop into your head, they’re not sinful. It is harboring them for the sake of the enjoyment of the sexual pleasure gained from them that is sinful. The line is definitely unclear. My approach was that if it occured during the daytime, it was important for me not to just sit around or lay around daydreaming. This meant giving up naps that I wanted to talk and occupying myself with other things. If however it occured as I was falling asleep for the night or as I was waking up in the morning, things got a bit trickier because I couldn’t just get up and do something else when I was supposed to be going to sleep.

Its important to acknowledge that consenting in your imagination tends to truly be a consent of the heart. As such, even if you try to rationalize that its a daydream about ā€œafter your marriedā€, chances are if you’re dating someone, it’ll become a lot more difficult to delay the behavior you’ve daydreamed about. If you’ve guarded your mind, its much easier to avoid the behavior. The other thing is to be very weary about what you’re exposing your mind to when you go to bed. Just as going to bed after watching a horror movie can fill your mind as you fall asleep with frightening images, so too can going to bed after watching a movie with sexual content or listening to sexual lyrics of music influence what your mind turns to as you’re trying to fall asleep. It can be good practice not to go to bed straight after watching TV. Try reading for awhile, pray before you go to bed and give yourself time to really prepare for bed. Don’t just start zonking out in front of a TV with constant images filling your mind up with stuff that may not be appropriate.

For me, I always found that dreaming about kissing or tender embraces tended to stir up sexual feelings in me that just didn’t head the right direction. Even if they didn’t, I still found that daydreaming about men I had crushes on to not be helpful. I wouldn’t say its always sinful, but I did realize that my heart could not tell the difference very well from reality in a daydream. Thus my crush on a man would always increase the more I daydreamed of him. Moverover, the daydreams would fill in the gaps of what I knew about him. In the end I wasn’t crushing on him, but on a fictitious rendering of him from my imagination. I thus decided to strive to only think about actual memories so that any interest I developed in a man would be as much based in reality as it could be. It was important for me to fall for who the man actually was, rather than who I wanted him to be.

But in regards to worrying about sin, I’d say that if you’re getting sexual pleasure from the dream and intentionally continuing that dream for the sake of that sexual pleasure, than that’s really when you’re in the mortal sin category. Everything else I think is just stuff I learned from striving to avoid those dreams and from things I realized about dreams in general. And as for the waking up in the middle of a dream and the delay in stopping, just confess them just in case and don’t worry about it.
 
😊 Being a teenage girl, I accept that I will have some thoughts on the opposite sex that stray in the ā€œintimateā€. I also know that brief thoughts on these sorts of things are venial sins. But how brief should they be? When does it become a mortal sin? Is it okay to think about kissing or tender embraces? I’m just having a very hard time finding the line and am feeling extremely distressed about it. I also want to know where the line is in art. What is an appropriate expression of affection in drawing or pictures and when does it go too far? Thank you. God Bless
For mortal sin…one needs not only grave matter (impure thoughts are grave matter) but also full knowledge and deliberate consent…

One though needs to distinguish between ā€œtemptationā€ and ā€œconsentā€. Just cause some thought comes does not mean one has consented to it…but one needs to turn right away to thinking of other things and not consent…
 
Here is info from another post I did…

Regarding thoughts

while Jesus makes it clear that one can sin in ones thoughts…just cause some lustful thought happens does not mean that one sinned…

(and one can have a sufficiently good reason to think about sexual matters…for instance studying moral theology…but care must be taken to avoid things that would be a problem…but that is another question)

What should we do with* unwanted* impure thoughts or other bad thoughts…thoughts against God etc? Those pesky temptations that can come …even though we are not seeking them etc…

(there are of course some things we should avoid that cause them…and there can be sin if it is something one should reasonably avoid…but often they come uninvited)

First…Relax. Do not worry.

Now are they mortal sins?

For a mortal sin one needs a grave matter …full knowledge AND deliberate consent!!!

A. If you do not want the thought…it the thought displeases you: it can be a sign actually that you did not give consent or do not give full consent.

B. Even if you felt a temptation for the thought – and were drawn to it —but rejected it and maybe even turned to God : again a sign not full consent.

C. But what if one has a tempting thought --say of a sexual nature and even hesitated for a moment…but then rejected it for one did not want to sin? : it can be partial consent perhaps (and thus a venial sin)-- or it may be no sin at all but rather a strong temptation that drew you but then you saw what was happening and turned away.

D. A temptation can even be very strong or the thoughts very often – but this does NOT mean one has consented! so worry not…even it they go on for a long time…

remember --for it to be mortal there must be that deliberate consent!

What to do? on the spiritual side–relax first of all and remember the above.

Next – know that the more one fears the thoughts the more likely they are to come… or said another way --the more a person seeks to avoid the thoughts the more likely he will have a problem with them. (but do not worry about this either!)

for example: for the next 10 seconds try NOT to think of an apple.

tick tock …

tick tock…

Ok what did you think of? Most likely an apple.

So it is best to ignore them and just not consent and then turn your attention to some other good thing…for instance whatever you are doing. Simply do not consent and move on. and do not worry

another point – thoughts can just happen --they are the stuff with which we think…it is up to us to consent and take them further or not. and just because they are REAL VIVID and almost ā€œthink themselvesā€ does not mean per se that one has given ANY consent.

they can be annoying…but need cause no actual harm …

Another help…is the distinction between ā€œfirst thoughts and emotionsā€ (as Baur calls em) what they call the prima of the primaā€¦ā€œthe first of the firstā€ (as one of my Professors called em…he was a Dominican)…these are involuntary things that just come up…such are not sins. They can tempt one of course to sin…or one can then proceed to some sin…but they are the stuff of the mind and emotions which ā€œhappen to oneā€ …and really the are opportunities for growing in virtue etc as well…

How to deal with these? First of relax…don’t scruple…don’t fear them…to try to swat them all as the come…just simply turn to other things…or the thing you are doing…or to God…(of course do not consent)…but if you are too defensive against them…they may get worse actually…and confuse you more…instead turn to God or again other good things…accept that hey…somethings wild thoughts will come to you…

(and these can happen to all of us by the way…)

There is a story from the desert of the early Centuries of the Church where a younger hermit when to an older one with the problems of thoughts happening to him all the time…the older hermit told him to go outside open his cloak and catch the wind.

The younger hermit said such is not possible…

the older hermit replied --neither is it possible to stop all the thoughts that can come to you…your choice is to say ā€œyesā€ or ā€œnoā€.

So relax about ā€œunwanted thoughtsā€ā€¦sometimes they just come…you know like unwanted phone calls from politicitians and salepersons etc…but you can always say ā€œno thank youā€ or just ignore the call and go about your business
 
Remember too:

The classic stages of temptation when we are tempted are:
  1. Suggestion (the evil is proposed to us in some way) this can be quite attractive …can be thoughts that happen, ideas etc.
  2. Pleasure (a kind of automatic pleasure can happen from the suggestion) this pleasure can just happen…one is not ā€œtrying to have itā€ not wanting it…this is just a reaction.
3…one either consents or does not consent.

(one can either consent fully and thus engage in things willingly …or not consent and perhaps thus grow in virtue…following Christ!)

Now it can often happen that one begins to ā€œpartially consentā€ but then rejects it and thus does not give full consent.

When one is tempted…

Some signs that one lacked consent or gave only ā€œpartial consentā€:

If even though there was some instinctive pleasure …we do not want it…we are unhappy or horrified about the evil…or struggle to not be overcome …we turn to God in Prayer --these are some signs of no consent (if of course we stay in this stage…and do not later consent)

(For example some thoughts come out of the blue just cause one happened to see an attractive person…and one does not want the thoughts but turns to God in Prayer or is horrified by them and turns to something else etc…no matter how much they come back…if one does not consent at all…there is no sin…but rather possibly growth in virtues)

If one hesitates for a moment but then does not want to sin and so rejects it and does not give full consent (thus a fault against prudence)

If one resists but the resistance is half hearted…one does resist but it is weak or slow…but in the end one rejects it…such would seem to be half consent and thus venial

Of course if one then gives in and gives full consent…then such can be mortal…(with full knowledge…and a grave matter…like impure thoughts)
 
Thank-you everyone. I’ll be trying these suggestions and pray more. I’ll be going to confession Saturday. šŸ™‚
 
A very important question. When do impure thoughts become Mortal? Think about it, and don’t be scrupulous. That is, it will be something you will be tempted by the evil one all our natural life.
I have found the St. Michael the Archangel prayer to be very helpful. When impure thought come knocking, I say the St. Michael prayer. It is very helpful, you might have to say it many times a day, but it works.

Saint Michael the Archangel, Defend us in battle
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil;
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
And do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host,
By the power of God, thrust into hell
Satan and all evil spirits
Who wander through the world
For the ruin of souls. Amen

Life is a warfare untill you die. God has given us many graces to make every effort to avoid sin. St. Paul tells us to pray always. One reason he tells us to pray always is because we are tempted by the devil, soon as he attacks start praying. Better still don’t wait for him too attack to pray, pray always.
 
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