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Dear friends in Christ,🙂

In Absoulate terms what is necessary in order to attain Heaven.

What is the evidence of your belief?
 
Dear friends in Christ,🙂

In Absoulate terms what is necessary in order to attain Heaven.

What is the evidence of your belief?
Salvation is attained by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, who lived, died, and was raised again on the third day. My evidence would be the testimony of the Holy Apostles found in the Gospels and in the epistles of the New Testament, as well as the fulfilled prophecies of the Old Testament.

Not to mention the testimony of extrabiblical sources such as Josephus, Tacitus, and Pliny the Younger, and the blood of the holy martyrs, who were ruthlessly slaughtered for the holy faith.

Finally, the conviction that God has listened and answered my prayers, even if not necessarily to my liking. 😉

I’m not saying that I will attain heaven, (I can only pray the Lord has such mercy!), but I am convinced of the truth of Christianity.
 
Dear friends in Christ,🙂

In Absoulate terms what is necessary in order to attain Heaven.

What is the evidence of your belief?
Hi PJM,

Generally, Lutherans wouldn’t speak of Heaven as something we attain.

We are given unmerited grace, through faith. We pray that we respond with a life of grace-filled works. When we die repentant, God will judge us and give us life with him even though we don’t deserve it.

The evidence of our belief would hopefully be the same as Catholic evidence. I’m open to correction though.

For me personally, the teaching of my church and the promises made by God in Scripture along with my straggle for faith in my heart are my evidence.
 
Dear friends in Christ,🙂

In Absoulate terms what is necessary in order to attain Heaven.

What is the evidence of your belief?
What is nececessary to attain heaven has already been done for us.

Evidence? Jesus.
 
In absolute terms, God saves people who would otherwise be condemned, and that is how heaven is attained. Evidence is is found in the Bible and in places that are Bible-adjacent.
 
The Cross of Christ is what saves us. The Christian’s need is for what the Prayer Book calls “hearty repentance and true faith”. This is the work of the Holy Ghost.
 
State of Grace, perfect contrition/charity. Evidence, the Saints. There’s much to be said I suppose, much to be said simply in the word “persevere”.
 
=FabiusMaximus;10693493]Salvation is attained by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, who lived, died, and was raised again on the third day. My evidence would be the testimony of the Holy Apostles found in the Gospels and in the epistles of the New Testament, as well as the fulfilled prophecies of the Old Testament.
Not to mention the testimony of extrabiblical sources such as Josephus, Tacitus, and Pliny the Younger, and the blood of the holy martyrs, who were ruthlessly slaughtered for the holy faith.
Finally, the conviction that God has listened and answered my prayers, even if not necessarily to my liking. 😉
I’m not saying that I will attain heaven, (I can only pray the Lord has such mercy!), but I am convinced of the truth of Christianity.
Thanks,

I’m quite impressed with your humility; a very necessary attribute to gain heaven.

Please define for me “Christianity”… it is such a broadly used term. Without a fuller understanding, I can’t add much.

God Bless and KEEP praying,

Pat/PJM
 
Thanks,

I’m quite impressed with your humility; a very necessary attribute to gain heaven.

Please define for me “Christianity”… it is such a broadly used term. Without a fuller understanding, I can’t add much.

God Bless and KEEP praying,

Pat/PJM
In terms of the “truth of Christianity” to which I was referring, I meant that Jesus Christ is God who became flesh (the second person of the Holy Trinity), walked the Earth, died, and conquered death in his resurrection, bringing salvation from sin.

As for which expression of Christianity is the “true expression,” well, that’s a discussion on a different thread.

God bless you too!
 
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Dear friends in Christ,

In Absoulate terms what is necessary in order to attain Heaven.

What is the evidence of your belief?
John chapter 6 is my favorite among many terms set down by Christ in the bible.

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For me in absolute terms, to attain salvation one must believe that Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savoir, that is the way through Heaven.
John 14:6:
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
Concretecamper, you bring up a great chapter in the Bible. John 6 is basically Jesus telling us how to get to heaven! 😃 What to do we really have to do to get to heaven?
John 6:37:
Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and anyone who comes to me I will never drive away
Go to Him, and love Him with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your might…
 
=FabiusMaximus;10698906]In terms of the “truth of Christianity” to which I was referring, I meant that Jesus Christ is God who became flesh (the second person of the Holy Trinity), walked the Earth, died, and conquered death in his resurrection, bringing salvation from sin.
As for which expression of Christianity is the “true expression,” well, that’s a discussion on a different thread.
God bless you too!
No dear friend; that is an incorrect understanding.🙂

By His Life, death and resurrection Cchrist “Redeemed” the enitre world.

This means that one of the effects of Original sin was that access to heaven was blocked.
Christ in effect re-opened the gate making salvation a POSSIBILITY.

Those who died; worthy of the Beatific Vision were in the “Limbo of the Fathers” [Including the “good theif”] until Christ Resurrection. This is a place of no suffering; but no Beatific Vision either. Also time does not exist for God and the deseased hamanity.

By His Incarnation; Passion; Death and Resurrection God MADE salvation Conditioanlly possible ON HIS TERMS [not those of man-made; man orginated faiths that actually comoete with Christ truth].:rolleyes:

Sins are forgiven ONLY in tha manner Christ determined they would be. This was true also in the OT times; but now under Grace; and not only “the law”; the Conditions have been changed.

1John.1 Verses 8 to 10 “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”

1John.5 Verses 16 to 17 "If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.

John.20 Verses 20 to 23" When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained"

Can God NOT do what He wants and AS He wants?

Mt. 10:1-8 “And having called his twelve disciples together, he gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of diseases, and all manner of infirmities. And the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the publican, and James the son of Alpheus, and Thaddeus, Simon the Cananean, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. These twelve Jesus sent: commanding them, saying: And going, preach, saying: The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devils: freely have you received, freely give”

Jesus founded only One Church; that has One set of Faith beliefs and holds ALL of the "key’s to heaven access. Mt. 16:15-19

Acts.20: 28 “Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God [SINGULAR] which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.”

Eph. 4: 1-7 “I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift.

John.10: 16 “And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd”

Eph. 2:19-20 “So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

There is my friend, MUCH more evidence than this; but what I shared is the Singular truth:thumbsup:

God Bless you,

Pat /PJm
 
The above is merely a theory. Nobody knows what Christ’s descent into Hell truly involved.
 
=Indifferently;10701974]The above is merely a theory. Nobody knows what Christ’s descent into Hell truly involved.
From Father Hardons CATHOLIC Dictionary:

LIMBO. The abode of souls excluded from the full blessedness of the beatific vision, but not suffering any other punishment. They enjoy the happiness that would have been human destiny if humans had not been elevated to the supernatural order.

Catholic theology distinguishes two kinds of limbo. The limbo of the Fathers (limbus patrum) was the place where the saints of the Old Testament remained until Christ’s coming and redemption of the world. The limbo of infants (limbus infantium) is the permanent state of those who die in original sin but are innocent of any personal guilt.

Regarding the limbo of infants, it is an article of the Catholic faith that those who die without baptism, and for whom the want of baptism has not been supplied in some other way, cannot enter heaven. This is the teaching of the ecumenical councils of Florence and Trent.

The Church has never defined the existence of limbo, although she has more than once supported the fact by her authority. Those who either deny that heaven is a supernatural destiny to which no creature has a natural claim, or who deny that original sin deprives a person of a right to heaven logically also deny the very possibility of limbo. On their premises there is no need of such a place. Among others who denied the existence of limbo were the Jansenists, whose theory of selective predestination excluded the need for any mediatorial source of grace, including baptism. They were condemned by Pope Pius VI as teaching something “false, rash and injurious to Catholic education,” because they claimed that it was a Pelagian fable to hold that there is a place “which the faithful generally designate by the name of limbo of children,” for the souls of those who depart this life with the sole guilt of original sin (Denzinger 2626). Pope Pius XII declared that “an act of love can suffice for an adult to acquire sanctifying grace and supply for the lack of baptism; to the unborn or newly born infant this way is not open” (Acta Apostolicae Sedis, XLIII, 84). At stake is the revealed doctrine that heaven is a sheer gift of divine goodness and that baptism of water or desire is necessary to enter heaven. (Etym. Latin limbo, ablative form of limbus, border.) END QUOTE
 
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Dear friends in Christ,

In Absoulate terms what is necessary in order to attain Heaven.

What is the evidence of your belief?

What is nececessary to attain heaven has already been done for us.

Evidence? Jesus.
Without His sacrifice, heaven would be impossible. But that does not mean His sacrifice guarantees heaven.

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@baloo: John 6 sums it up pretty nicely…huh. Take real faith to not walk away like the crowd did :). God Bless

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=concretecamper;10702293]Without His sacrifice, heaven would be impossible. But that does not mean His sacrifice guarantees heaven
AMEN:thumbsup:

I didn’t say it did; did I?😊

Thanks for sharing,
Pat/PJm.
 
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Without His sacrifice, heaven would be impossible. But that does not mean His sacrifice guarantees heaven

AMEN

I didn’t say it did; did I?

Thanks for sharing,
Pat/PJm.
nope…you didn’t…sorry if you took it the wrong way

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