In Defense of Islam

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Seeker said:
hahah…lol 🙂 Planten, you amaze me by your comments.

So are you saying that what is written by Sahih Bukhari and Muslim as something bad which is written by some one and Just some one wrote something and it became useful fo the catholics or Protestants to malign Muhammad, Really?? Is not Sahih Bukhari and Muslim authentic hadiths ??

Secondly what does unmarried mothers and fathers in the Chruch have to do with mohammed and his marriage to aisha the 6 yr old?? Please don’t digress from the topic at hand like most Muslims do when put into a difficult situation.
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Seeker, the books of Hadith are far superior to your bibleNT. Both are works of men. There can be many faults in them. Those words of bible and hadith are not the words of God. So please lay off and do not stress too much on idle things.

But if you give importance to marriage matters then we will also give importance to unmarried matters. You will equally have to answer the reason for having so many unmarried mothers and fathers in the churches. How come you can have unmarried fathers and mothers. We will leave you to ponder on those problems of your unmarried fathers. In the meantime, we will look deeply into the false reports of Age of Aisha as stated in our bible (i.e. Hadith).
 
Planten, were it not for that fact that HE IS RISEN today, I might take a harsher tone with you due to the amount of times we’ve been over (and over and over!) this issue of “unmarried mother and fathers” in the Church. It is certainly not condoned, and yet we practice forgiveness of the sinner and love for the offspring, and just what is wrong with that? Because we will not stone the woman or lash the man as they might in an Islamic country? God forbid!

Also, please stop drawing false comparisons between the Holy Bible and the Hadith. They are nothing alike. There are no “strong” vs. “weak” Bibles, and we have absolutely no problem with the mode of transmission or the truth of the passages, as you and other Muslims apparently have problems with the age of Aisha despite being recorded in reliable collections. So please, just stop. You’re only making yourself look foolish. No Christian will accept this false and self-serving comparison.
 
planten said:
Seeker, the books of Hadith are far superior to your bibleNT. Both are works of men. There can be many faults in them. Those words of bible and hadith are not the words of God. So please lay off and do not stress too much on idle things.

But if you give importance to marriage matters then we will also give importance to unmarried matters. You will equally have to answer the reason for having so many unmarried mothers and fathers in the churches. How come you can have unmarried fathers and mothers. We will leave you to ponder on those problems of your unmarried fathers. In the meantime, we will look deeply into the false reports of Age of Aisha as stated in our bible (i.e. Hadith).
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you make me laugh so much planten!
What about the unmarried slaves muslim men are allowed to have sex with?
And how do you come to the conclusion the bible is less superior than the quran?, the quran is the work of the devil, you know this.
muhammad never challenged the so called angel that appeared to him, as it was told to do so in the bible!!! and the result was dialogue from a false angel who claimed it was from G-d!
As for you conclusions about aisha, please, tell me what 17 year old is playing on swings when she is then called to be deflowered? none that i can think of, i can see it more logically a 9 year old playing on swings :rolleyes:
 
dzheremi said:
Planten, were it not for that fact that HE IS RISEN today, I might take a harsher tone with you due to the amount of times we’ve been over (and over and over!) this issue of “unmarried mother and fathers” in the Church. It is certainly not condoned, and yet we practice forgiveness of the sinner and love for the offspring, and just what is wrong with that? Because we will not stone the woman or lash the man as they might in an Islamic country? God forbid!

Also, please stop drawing false comparisons between the Holy Bible and the Hadith. They are nothing alike. There are no “strong” vs. “weak” Bibles, and we have absolutely no problem with the mode of transmission or the truth of the passages, as you and other Muslims apparently have problems with the age of Aisha despite being recorded in reliable collections. So please, just stop. You’re only making yourself look foolish. No Christian will accept this false and self-serving comparison.
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dzhereme, in reply to your post I will simply repeat my earlier post. Try to reply to my objections which are real. Bible is nowhere as relauable as our hadith.

So see my post again please,
Seeker, the books of Hadith are far superior to your bibleNT. Both are works of men. There can be many faults in them. Those words of bible and hadith are not the words of God. So please lay off and do not stress too much on idle things.
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But if you give importance to marriage matters then we will also give importance to unmarried matters. You will equally have to answer the reason for having so many unmarried mothers and fathers in the churches. How come you can have unmarried fathers and mothers. We will leave you to ponder on those problems of your unmarried fathers. In the meantime, we will look deeply into the false reports of Age of Aisha as stated in our bible (i.e. Hadith).
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planten said:
Sam_777, please remember that there is a word Kafir in the verses that you have tried to present. You have translated that word “Kafir” as unbeliever. That is not enough. Kafir is a hostile combatant enemy type of non-believer. He/she is not any peaceful disbeliever.

There had been kafir in the time of Moses and Jesus and Muhammad. Kafir is an enemy of all faiths. Whereas Moses and Muhammad had been told by God/Allah/ Yahweh to meet the Kafirs in the battles and they did it well, Jesus did not have any chance. He was caught too quickly by his enemies and put to die on the cross.

Moses was more ruthless than Muhammad. He was not allowed to spare even the women and the children. He had the orders to kill all. That was the order for all the Israeli prophets under Moses including Jesus. Jesus was the last Israeli prophet. But Jews did not accept him. Please read all the words of the bibleOT.

Please do not read the word Kafir as a simple comfortable type of non-believer.

All the verses translated above have been done very gently, perhaps long time ago. We have understood the word Kafir as an open external enemy of Islam. The Munafiq is a hidden internal enemy of Islam. You have no knowledge of these things.
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I see that Plavten andPhil plop have the tag team up and running
 
planten said:
I believe that the posts of Flip-Flop are sort of cool breeze in this catastrophic suffocating atomosphere which is created by the catholics here for the Muslims. There is hardly any space for the Muslims to breathe. We thank God that there are some good catholics or christians here.
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Since when you were given the authority to judge Christians? How do you know who is good Catholic or who is bad? Well if you have taken some brain washed Catholics as the vicars of whole Catholicism, then perhaps you are in gross mistake. Well planten I am not sure, but God forbid, if the brain washed Catholics are real Catholics, then indeed it is a Catastrophe for a person, who decided to become a Catholic two years ago. Trust me planten, from the beginning I am observing them( your so called good catholics), recent days they became stronger. If your pure Christians are really the standard of the Christian nation then I am sure, i came from a mud and then entered to a quicksand, that is much more horrific than mud. But still I think that your so called ideal christians are not the standard of real catholicism. but if my thoughts are wrong then it will be a disaster for me. And planten trust me, if my God and your Allah is same person according to you and your Ideal Catholic fellows, then trust me, after my decision of conversion to Christianity, if I am worshiping Islamic false and cruel deity(if he is the God of bible) I will prefer my previous atheist life. Just remember planten here your so called good Christians fellows’( not all because although here few fellows believe in the error but they are not weird like your true fellows who’s main works are to defend and flatter Islam or Muslims) activities easily can spoil peoples mind specially who are newcomers to Catholicism &want to adore the true loving God. Ya they are good for Muslims , not for mankind.
 
planten said:
Seeker, the books of Hadith are far superior to your bibleNT. Both are works of men. There can be many faults in them. Those words of bible and hadith are not the words of God. So please lay off and do not stress too much on idle things.

But if you give importance to marriage matters then we will also give importance to unmarried matters. You will equally have to answer the reason for having so many unmarried mothers and fathers in the churches. How come you can have unmarried fathers and mothers. We will leave you to ponder on those problems of your unmarried fathers. In the meantime, we will look deeply into the false reports of Age of Aisha as stated in our bible (i.e. Hadith).
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Planten, don’t kid or flatter yourself in thinking the Hadith is superior to the bible NT , if that is the case, then the Talmud, the midrash, jewish folklore and Christian apocryphal fables which are not considered “words of God” are is far superior to your koran!, because alot of the stories/fables found in them is found in the koran…-So don’t tell me to layoff and not stress on idle things. Mohammed marrying a 6yr old is not a idle thing, its a huge deal.

like i said in my previous post to you, please stick to the topic, what you are doing is showing how shallow muslims in particular YOU are when the lose an argument!..unmarried mothers and fathers has nothing to do with Christianity, the Bible or Christian tradition, these are results of choices people make out of their own free will. You think muslim men and women don’t have premarital sex??
Secondly, these people did not go about claiming they are the universal prophet of God and sinless (as muslims like to think of mohammed).
Also are you telling me your a perfect human being, or that muslims are all perfect that they do not sin???.
 
Seeker said:
Planten, don’t kid or flatter yourself
like i said in my previous post to you, please stick to the topic, what you are doing is showing how shallow muslims in particular YOU are when the lose an argument!..unmarried mothers and fathers has nothing to do with Christianity, the Bible or Christian tradition, these are results of choices people make out of their own free will. You think muslim men and women don’t have premarital sex??
Secondly, these people did not go about claiming they are the universal prophet of God and sinless (as muslims like to think of mohammed).
Also are you telling me your a perfect human being, or that muslims are all perfect that they do not sin???.
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Seeker, the marriage of six year old is not the subject or the topic. like wise, the subject of unmarried mothers and fathers in the church is very important for us. You cannot run away. They are sitting in the churches. So how can you avoid the problem of so many unmarried mothers??

Think of unmarrid fathers for a very long time in the chutch system. How Come??? It means all your religion unreal.
 
Sam_777 said:
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Sam, the fifteen year old Muslim girls whp do not mix with men enjoy using the swings and they play with dolls instead of youngmen. I hope you understand the present day christian way of life. What the young christian boys and girls are doing.!!!

I saw in England young boys 12 years old running in the streets. If I caught one boy and asked what he was doing, he replied “We are chasing the girls…” WE are chasing the girls. That is how they pick up things for future life at and early age.

If christians are happy with their way of liberal (sex) life, we have no objection. We will not blame them.
 
planten said:
Sam, the fifteen year old Muslim girls whp do not mix with men enjoy using the swings and they play with dolls instead of youngmen. I hope you understand the present day christian way of life. What the young christian boys and girls are doing.!!!

I saw in England young boys 12 years old running in the streets. If I caught one boy and asked what he was doing, he replied “We are chasing the girls…” WE are chasing the girls. That is how they pick up things for future life at and early age.

If christians are happy with their way of liberal (sex) life, we have no objection. We will not blame them.
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That is a blantant lie planten! Yeah if a 12 year old boy is running after a girl, its not because he wants to take her to bed, its more than likely they are playing around, which is normal to do in England, boys and girls are allowed to play with each other, that does not mean they are going to have sex or kiss etc!
 
planten said:
Sam, the fifteen year old Muslim girls whp do not mix with men enjoy using the swings and they play with dolls instead of youngmen. I hope you understand the present day christian way of life. What the young christian boys and girls are doing.!!!

I saw in England young boys 12 years old running in the streets. If I caught one boy and asked what he was doing, he replied “We are chasing the girls…” WE are chasing the girls. That is how they pick up things for future life at and early age.

If christians are happy with their way of liberal (sex) life, we have no objection. We will not blame them.
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planten you don’t really want to go there with us about this subject especially when there are Muslim no go areas where we can’t even go because we take our lives in our hands and these same Muslims expect to be safe elsewhere. In India where girls are being kidnapped and forced to marry and convert to Islam. An increase in the crime rates in Europe, Jews fleeing such countries as Sweden of all places because of antisemitism, in our own America the antisemitism and attacks against Jews are rising from Muslim populations in school campuses due to the MSA (Muslim STudent Association), etc. You just don’t want to go there on this subject. In the Muslim world where Muslims turn a blind eye to the atrocities committed against others, you try to make some moral equivalency.

A label of wife is put on 1 year olds to hide the fact that the man is a pediphile. Marriage of conveniences are made, weekend marriages, or just labels to hide the fact that the guys and gals wants some ‘whoopie’ to hide the fact that they are just wanting some sex and nothing else. The idea of marriage is a joke in Islam. 4 wives are allowed with divorce being as easy as saying ‘I divorce you’ a few times. The man just dumps one wife and takes another. Where a woman can be attacked and raped, and if she doesn’t have 4 witnesses she gets treated as the adulterer and killed. When it is the man who is the attacker and the person in the wrong because we have found out that rapists have some serious mental problems, not the woman.
 
planten said:
I believe that the posts of Flip-Flop are sort of cool breeze in this catastrophic suffocating atomosphere which is created by the catholics here for the Muslims. There is hardly any space for the Muslims to breathe. We thank God that there are some good catholics or christians here.
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:rotfl:

On the contrary, planten, it appears you are breathing quite a bit - blowing a lot of hot air around, in fact. If the atmosphere here is so suffocating, why do you persist? It’s not like you’re going to convert anyone around here to Islam or convince them of anything.
 
I am always amused by Planten’s post. It’s just amazing how a person’s mind can become when believing even it is false. Lawyers like this can make lots of money.

Comparing Hadith to the Gospels? WOW!
 
Planten’s circular and illogical arguments leave me a bit dizzy at times… :hypno:

We have been learning about logical fallacies in my English class, and I must say, I see more of them in action here than anywhere…
 
Yes he does, but to whom was the previous “muslim” poster referring to??? :confused:
 
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