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pnewton
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Gossip is still gossip, and it still is dangerous flirtation with calumny and slander. The simply is not enough substance in the link to rise to the level above back-fence gossip.
But this is the forum.The simply is not enough substance in the link to rise to the level above back-fence gossip.
Let’s see how far people take it.
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Jerzy
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Here’s a link to the video referred to in the links I posted above:
Unfortunately, I don’t speak Italian, so I have no idea what they’re saying. Is there anyone here who does and can fill us in?
Unfortunately, I don’t speak Italian, so I have no idea what they’re saying. Is there anyone here who does and can fill us in?
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Jerzy
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To be clear, my question at the bottom of the OP is a question made in good faith.
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Rockoh22
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Let’s wait for more information. I am sure the truth will come.
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Weserthy
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I’m not prepared to say that it is real, but I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of this being true. Right now we just have the priest’s word for it and he might be exaggerating or misrepresenting the situation (these could really be communion services and not masses, for example). The article in the OP asks the question on whether or not this is true and does not presume this to be a fact, to be fair.
That being said, this priest who is talking about this is someone who would be in favor of this kind of thing, and is someone who would be more likely to know something like this than many other priests. And the Pope approving such an arrangement as this would not be out of character for him. Unless someone directly inquires further or someone talks, we’ll probably never know more. Maybe this will be brought up at the synod.
Obviously such an arrangement, if it is indeed approved, would be idolatrous and sacrilegious and a mere simulation of a mass, not the real thing. I hope this would be patently false, but it is unsafe to assume anything in times like these.
That being said, this priest who is talking about this is someone who would be in favor of this kind of thing, and is someone who would be more likely to know something like this than many other priests. And the Pope approving such an arrangement as this would not be out of character for him. Unless someone directly inquires further or someone talks, we’ll probably never know more. Maybe this will be brought up at the synod.
Obviously such an arrangement, if it is indeed approved, would be idolatrous and sacrilegious and a mere simulation of a mass, not the real thing. I hope this would be patently false, but it is unsafe to assume anything in times like these.
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pnewton
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It might be happening. We do after all have women priests that think they are real Catholic priests. The thing is, the Pope has to understand enough about theology to know that what is proposed is impossible. That is part of the reason why priestly ordination is being considered for these married men. If deacons could say a valid Mass, then the question has no real meaning.I’m not prepared to say that it is real, but I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of this being true.
The premise of this bit of gossip is illogical at its core.
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F_Marturana
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Isn’t it possible that a Deacon have a Eucharistic prayer service when a priest is not available? The hosts have been consecrated by a priest at mass.
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Jerzy
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It totally is. However, if the translation/transcription from the original article is correct, then this is not what Fr. Nicolini is talking about:
“We found out that in the Amazon one evening, from an isolated mission parish in the Amazon they made a pone (sic) call, it was an old deacon, in his sixties, married, who said to his bishop: “I have to tell you that tomorrow there won’t be any Mass, because there is no priest.” And the bishop told him: “You go there and say Mass.” A married deacon, children already raised, the “elders” are called, and the bishops there have given him authorization to preside over the liturgy.”
However, I don’t speak Italian, so I don’t know know if the translation is accurate, which is why I included the link to the original video as well.
“We found out that in the Amazon one evening, from an isolated mission parish in the Amazon they made a pone (sic) call, it was an old deacon, in his sixties, married, who said to his bishop: “I have to tell you that tomorrow there won’t be any Mass, because there is no priest.” And the bishop told him: “You go there and say Mass.” A married deacon, children already raised, the “elders” are called, and the bishops there have given him authorization to preside over the liturgy.”
However, I don’t speak Italian, so I don’t know know if the translation is accurate, which is why I included the link to the original video as well.
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TheLittleLady
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The Communion Service in Absence of a Priest is a liturgy.the bishops there have given him authorization to preside over the liturgy.”
Tis_Bearself
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I’m not going to get all wound up over somebody posting hearsay.
So far I’ve read about 5 articles about this Amazon Synod by different bloggers and news outlets and it’s like everybody’s already decided that this is gonna be the End of the Church As We Know It. It’s Chicken Little stuff if you ask me, especially since I don’t get to read the working document myself and all this info is coming out second- and third-hand from people with agendas.
I’m just going to wait and see what happens. Asking God to guide His Church and Mother Mary to help steer.
So far I’ve read about 5 articles about this Amazon Synod by different bloggers and news outlets and it’s like everybody’s already decided that this is gonna be the End of the Church As We Know It. It’s Chicken Little stuff if you ask me, especially since I don’t get to read the working document myself and all this info is coming out second- and third-hand from people with agendas.
I’m just going to wait and see what happens. Asking God to guide His Church and Mother Mary to help steer.
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KMC
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The hosts would have to be already consecrated. The idea that a deacon can “say mass” is much like the idea that I (as a male) can have a baby.
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IdaCatholic
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Yeah, a deacon saying Mass would be like a woman protestant Pastor Saying Mass.
The real headline here is not “married deacons are already doing this” it is (if true and I’m not sure it is) but rather “Thousands of Catholics defrauded with the Eucharist and the Liturgy” Because a deacon cannot consecrate or say Mass. Period.
The real headline here is not “married deacons are already doing this” it is (if true and I’m not sure it is) but rather “Thousands of Catholics defrauded with the Eucharist and the Liturgy” Because a deacon cannot consecrate or say Mass. Period.
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