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From the CCC -

2306 - Those who renounce violence and bloodshed and, in order to safeguard human rights, make use of those means of defense available to the weakest, bear witness to evangelical charity, provided they do so without harming the rights and obligations of other men and societies. They bear legitimate witness to the gravity of the physical and moral risks of recourse to violence, with all its destruction and death.

2307 - The fifth commandment forbids the intentional destruction of human life. Because of the evils and injustices that accompany all war, the Church insistently urges everyone to prayer and to action so that the divine Goodness may free us from the ancient bondage of war.

2308 - All citizens and all governments are obliged to work for the avoidance of war.
However, “as long as the danger of war persists and there is no international authority with the necessary competence and power, governments cannot be denied the right of lawful self-defense, once all peace efforts have failed.”

If you yourself are in the Army, I’d recommend asking your base chaplain about the matter.
 
I like the answer I read from a chaplain.
Most of us are familiar with the story of the Good Samaritan, of the man beaten and left on the side of the road. Imagine being there 20 minutes earlier when the man was being mugged, of being the person who stepped in to stop it.
 
Those that are called to serve in the military service of their country, are called upon to serve with honor.

Check out the patron saint of soldiers, St. Martin of Tours.

Blessed Pope John XXIII (my favorite of course 😃 ), served in the Italian army, first as a hospital orderly, and later as a Catholic chaplain.
 
**killing another human being should NEVER, NEVER, NEVER be the accepted, and only used as the absolute last resort, only in defense of innocents after offering your own life in their stead. **

i am a West Point grad and was a Lance missile platoon leader at the age of 22, responsible for the lives of my soldiers and tens of thousands more. i was blessed by God because i was in Germany in 1979-1983 and i was never asked to use the nuclear weapons that i was charged with in case of an attack by the Soviet Union.

i never really thought about the tens of thousands of lives, many innocent, that i would have been responsible for murdering!** i could never have stood before Jesus and answered that i didn’t know!!**

Today we stand by and allow millions (50+ million babies in the US and Billions worldwide) of innocent babies to be murdered by abortion.

If you want to serve in the military be a chaplain or a medic, then you will not have to answer for the blood of others on your hands.

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark
 
OnlyAmbrose said:
From the CCC -

2306 - Those who renounce violence and bloodshed and, in order to safeguard human rights, make use of those means of defense available to the weakest, bear witness to evangelical charity, provided they do so without harming the rights and obligations of other men and societies. They bear legitimate witness to the gravity of the physical and moral risks of recourse to violence, with all its destruction and death.

2307 - The fifth commandment forbids the intentional destruction of human life. Because of the evils and injustices that accompany all war, the Church insistently urges everyone to prayer and to action so that the divine Goodness may free us from the ancient bondage of war.

2308 - All citizens and all governments are obliged to work for the avoidance of war.
However, “as long as the danger of war persists and there is no international authority with the necessary competence and power, governments cannot be denied the right of lawful self-defense, once all peace efforts have failed.”

If you yourself are in the Army, I’d recommend asking your base chaplain about the matter.
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Thanks, and I’m not in the army, but I am thinking of joining after high school.
 
Mark77 said:
i am a West Point grad and was a Lance missile platoon leader at the age of 22, responsible for the lives of my soldiers and tens of thousands more. i was blessed by God because i was in Germany in 1979-1983 and i was never asked to use the nuclear weapons that i was charged with in case of an attack by the Soviet Union.
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Thank you for your service Lt.
 
Jack17 said:
Thanks, and I’m not in the army, but I am thinking of joining after high school.
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Jack, give it a lot of thought and prayer.

I served in the Air Force for 24 years (to include a stint in Vietnam). I served with some that had no business in the military. They joined the Air Force to simply avoid being drafted in to the Army (no offense Mark).

“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.”
 
OnlyAmbrose said:
Think harder about the Marine Corps. 😛
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Having been in the army and knowing alot of former marines. I recommend the airforce.😉

I really don’t understand mark77s sentiment.( how is it that Lieutenants think they’re in charge of anything?)

Seriously Jack, if you decide to join. You should try to serve where you’ll be the most useful. Good luck and god bless!
 
Mickey_Finn said:
Having been in the army and knowing alot of former marines. I recommend the airforce.😉
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Alright, well make sure your golf game is decent or your career will end pretty quick 😉

But on a serious note, this is not a good time for the Air Force right now. In January the SecDef wrote an essay in Foreign Affairs indicating an interest in cutting back on serious funding for the Air Force in favor of the Marines and the Army (but mostly the Army, 'cause Marines never get funding :mad: 😉 ). The Navy’s funding is also threatened. His logic makes sense - I have buddies in the Air Force, officers, who are deployed to Iraq… and basically spend all their time running convoys, not doing what they are actually trained to do. The simple fact of the matter is that the Air Force’s mission just isn’t particularly useful in Iraq - F-22’s and B-52’s serve essentially no purpose in the modern world, and yet they’re the symbol of the United States Air Force.

We’re already seeing the fruits of this policy play out. Recently, at the behest of the SecDef, congress passed a bill ceasing the production of F-22’s.

google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jIxeHYBgfpp_jhHxYl0L09nT-ypgD99J3K0O2

Production is being shifted to the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, variants of which will go to the Marine Corps to replace the Harrier and the F-18.

Just a few things to consider. The Army and the Marines are getting a lot of Congressional attention right now because we are the ones actually engaged in 21st century war. The Navy will always get attention both because of naval gunfire support and because they are needed to move around troops and equipment. Large-scale bombing and dogfighting, however, are simply not part of the war on terror.

No lie, the Army is always better funded than the Marines. That’s something Marines are proud of, though, and something which endears us to Congress in this ages of budget deficits. In the words of Sgt Brad Colbert: “When the Army goes to war, they bring everything. But Marines, we make do.”
 
Jack17 said:
Thanks, and I’m not in the army, but I am thinking of joining after high school.
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I had a very dear friend in high school who joined the Army and went into the medical corps. He got to do Army stuff, but didn’t have to shoot anyone. :knight1:
 
Jack17 said:
What’s the Church view on killing in the army?
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As far as I know, the Church believes in a “just war” theory, meaning, not one of offense but one of defense. For one who defends his or her country as a protection against an aggressive nation, I would think that the Church considers these soldiers as martyrs. One also personally has a right to self-defense if one’s life or family is threatened.
 
Mickey_Finn said:
Having been in the army and knowing alot of former marines. I recommend the airforce.😉

I really don’t understand mark77s sentiment.( how is it that Lieutenants think they’re in charge of anything?)

Seriously Jack, if you decide to join. You should try to serve where you’ll be the most useful. Good luck and god bless!
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i never said i was in charge of anything, but i was **responsible for the lives of many
** ( Lieutenants are never in charge, but they are always responsible for the lives of the men and women they serve).

i am truly saddened and sorry if you cannot understand the sentiment that Jesus taught us, that we should never harm anyone, unless we are defending innocent lives!

**God Bless all of you who have sacrificed by serving others, whether in the military or as a mother or father, or as a Priest, Religious or loving brother or sister.
**

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark
 
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Mark77 said:
i never said i was in charge of anything, but i was **responsible for the lives of many
** ( Lieutenants are never in charge, but they are always responsible for the lives of the men and women they serve).

i am truly saddened and sorry if you cannot understand the sentiment that Jesus taught us, that we should never harm anyone, unless we are defending innocent lives!

**God Bless all of you who have sacrificed by serving others, whether in the military or as a mother or father, or as a Priest, Religious or loving brother or sister.
**

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark
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Easy there Lt. That was a good natured crack at lieutenants. Though I would assert that the cold war was a just war.
 
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