In the beginning was the Word

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

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What am I lacking in the Good News simply by saying Jesus is the perfect divine expression of God in the flesh, but not God himself?

What is lost? What is gained?

You are lacking the fullness of the Trinity. True that Jesus is not the Father,but his is Is God in the persona of the Son. God for God True God form True God begotten not made one in being with the Father.

What is lost is the fullness of who and want Jesus is. What is gained is that God made himself Flesh to share in are suffering and thus make us heirs in the eternity with him.

There is not way to separate the Trinity and remain true to the Gospel. One God in 3 divine persons. all of the same Being and substance.

 

[MDK]

…Jesus is not God, Jesus is the Word of God, because Jesus was the divine expression of Gods power, light and truth on earth as a human being. This was done one time and one time only, and out of the flesh “Jesus” in spirit remained in authority over the earth for all who would call upon him, remembering him and seeking him as the only WAY to God as a human on earth.

What greater news could we receive?

Jesus is the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, God become man. The Second Person of the Blessed Trinity was always God, and became man at the fullness of time, born to a virgin, from whom He took His flesh. Jesus is fully God and fully man. Jesus is the only person who has two natures, that of God and of man.

If you don’t believe that Jesus is God, how can you call yourself a Christian? You’re promoting a huge heresy there, and you’ve got a lot of nerve even calling yourself Christian. Like Mormons and JW’s, you too are really not Christian. YOU need to straighten up first, and stop this blasphemy. Please ask God for forgiveness, and seek to follow those whom Christ sent to continue His work… the Pope and Bishops in the Catholic Church. The RCC official teachings have never led anyone astray. The teachings will lead you in all truth.

 

[Holly3278]

Yet, was the Word named Jesus? Did the Word have the human identity of Jesus? Is the Word a specific identifier of an individual? Did God proclaim the Word as the Messiah in the beginning???

The Word was expressed through Jesus. The Word is Gods power and truth and light that creates all, sees all and is in authority over all. Jesus was anointed as the carrier of The Word in a human life, in the human form, to reveal to humanity what the Word was, in power, in truth and in action on earth, for humanity.

The Word is the perfect divine expression Jesus, in human form, was created (birthed) by God, through divine intervention and a miracle, to serve Gods goal of reconciling the separation of mankind from His eternal light and truth.

Jesus is not God, Jesus is the Word of God, because Jesus was the divine expression of Gods power, light and truth on earth as a human being. This was done one time and one time only, and out of the flesh “Jesus” in spirit remained in authority over the earth for all who would call upon him, remembering him and seeking him as the only WAY to God as a human on earth.

What greater news could we receive?

Actually, Jesus is God! I will use the RSV of the Bible to prove that Jesus is indeed God.

John 8:58 58] Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

John 10:30 30] I and the Father are one."

John 10:38 38] but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father."

John 20:28 28] Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

Colossians 2:9 9] For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily,

Colossians 1:15 15] He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation;

Titus 2:13 13] awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

I would also recommend that you read the following:

catholic.com/library/Divinity_of_Christ.asp

scripturecatholic.com/jesus_christ_divinity.html

God Bless!

 

[emarc]

Jesus is the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, God become man. The Second Person of the Blessed Trinity was always God, and became man at the fullness of time, born to a virgin, from whom He took His flesh. Jesus is fully God and fully man. Jesus is the only person who has two natures, that of God and of man.

If you don’t believe that Jesus is God, how can you call yourself a Christian? You’re promoting a huge heresy there, and you’ve got a lot of nerve even calling yourself Christian. Like Mormons and JW’s, you too are really not Christian. YOU need to straighten up first, and stop this blasphemy. Please ask God for forgiveness, and seek to follow those whom Christ sent to continue His work… the Pope and Bishops in the Catholic Church. The RCC official teachings have never led anyone astray. The teachings will lead you in all truth.

Amen:thumbsup:

 

[holyrosary11]

Jesus is not God, Jesus is the Word of God, because Jesus was the divine expression of Gods power, light and truth on earth as a human being.

JEsus said that if you have seen Him you have seen the Father (etc). Jesus IS God. You can’t separate God from His truth, light, Word, etc… Well, you CAN separate them in your mind, but in Heaven there is no such separation.

 

[empurpledsoul]

Empurpledsoul,

After St. John placed his hand in Jesus’ side, he fell to his knees and said, “My Lord and My GOD.” If Christ is *not * God, then why did He not correct his beloved disciple? Maybe because NO CORRECTION WAS NEEDED!

Peace of Christ

After he was resurrected, this happened. When Jesus was on the earth, he was human, he suffered, he died, as a human does but God does not. Once he laid down his mortal life having done only the divine will of God on earth, he became eternal and would be our Lord and Savior. It was then appropriate for Thomas (it wasn’t John) to make this proclamation for Jesus was now a resurrected being. That Thomas declared Jesus to My Lord! My God! shows that he was finally accepting the diety and divine power and authority that Jesus had been given, BY GOD. But still, the question remains and is not solved in this gospel.

Why did Jesus need to be GIVEN power and authority to act on the BEHALF of God, if He was God. He is our mediator, he is divine, but all things were given unto Jesus** by the Father**. We are seeing how the doubting Thomas had overcome the disbelief in Jesus divine power and authority in his personal proclamation, but this gospel also ends with the statement that Jesus is to be known as the Son of God. How can God be the Son of Himself?

John 20:24-31 (King James Version)

24But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

25The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

26And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

30And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

I imagine this scene. Thomas had no faith in Jesus divine power and the crucifixion pretty much put the nail in his coffin on the subject. He needed proof, he would be unable to accept any of what Jesus had done while he was in his temporal mortal body, especially after that body was killed like every other human, it suffered and it died. The body was not God. The mortal body was not divine, it suffered and died. But the resurrected body was divine. Jesus, the human was not God, but was the divine perfect will of God in a human life. If Jesus had not done God’s will perfectly, would he have accomplished God’s will and been resurrected to the glory which would allow him to be called My Lord! and My God! when he stood before the doubting Thomas??

My God! could have been a proclamation of awe and amazement to God almighty for what had been done in Jesus in this matter, which Thomas finally recognized as Jesus stood before him as a resurrected being. What we know without hesitation is that no other human had served as Jesus had on earth. When it was done, he became fully divine, no longer ‘human’. And even so, as our Lord and Saviour, He was still sent by one who was greater than He. So he in effect was given authority and power, by whom?

He is granted** divine power**, but he is not God, God is the one who granted the divine power, purpose and authority unto Jesus. Once Jesus accomplished what God had called and anointed Him to do, he lives as the eternal lord and savior of humanity, to serve to be the way for all who seek to come to God… From humanity. From the first human who fell from grace through Adam back to eternity through the human life of Jesus.

Still God is greater than Him, Jesus will be our counselor , redeemer and mediator before God, those who have found the faith that Thomas discovered when he declared My Lord! My God!

. I Timothy 2.5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”

Why do we need a mediator if Jesus is God, and how can Jesus be ‘between’ us and God if he is God?

 

[empurpledsoul]

JEsus said that if you have seen Him you have seen the Father (etc). Jesus IS God. You can’t separate God from His truth, light, Word, etc… Well, you CAN separate them in your mind, but in Heaven there is no such separation.

I do not separate Jesus from God, they were ONE in spirit and soul and purpose, but we are all ONE with God, as Jesus also taught. Are we God too?

If you have seen me you have seen the Father. I love that scripture! It describes Jesus mission to BE the Word and perfect divine will of God in a human life, so that if you look to Him, and keep his perfect example, hold fast to his words and teachings, and see with eyes open to the truth you will realize what God wishes to bring to humanity. For our blessing. All that Jesus did was “the Father”, none was “human ego”.

If you have seen any other human you have only seen a human with human sin, failings, falterings, ego, desires, purpose. But if the disciples who were asking, how can we see God, how can we know God, would understand that they could see God **through Jesus works, through **Jesus life, **through **Jesus Word. And then they could ‘see’ God the Father in their own hearts and demonstrate that same powerful will and grace in their own works in humanity.

We know without a doubt that human beings will look to imperfect human beings who claim to be the right example of God’s will, but who are not. But if you look and see Jesus, his life, all he was, you will then see the Father and not be led astray.

And this perfect demonstration of Gods will alone, without any human sin or error or ego or self serving desire to corrupt it, is indeed the divine truth of God in Jesus being given out to all the world.

I do not deny his divinity, no other could do what he did, though some claim they were ‘holy and perfect’ like Muhammad, we know that there was ONE life, and ONE perfect love in Christ that fulfilled Gods law perfectly in the flesh.

Yes, only when we look to Jesus can we see the Father. So many look to Muhammad and think they see Allah’s perfection and lo, in contrast to the Truth in Christ we are protected from such claims that would lead so many astray!

 

[mbgumby28]

Yet, was the Word named Jesus? Did the Word have the human identity of Jesus? Is the Word a specific identifier of an individual? Did God proclaim the Word as the Messiah in the beginning???

The Word was expressed through Jesus. The Word is Gods power and truth and light that creates all, sees all and is in authority over all. Jesus was anointed as the carrier of The Word in a human life, in the human form, to reveal to humanity what the Word was, in power, in truth and in action on earth, for humanity.

The Word is the perfect divine expression Jesus, in human form, was created (birthed) by God, through divine intervention and a miracle, to serve Gods goal of reconciling the separation of mankind from His eternal light and truth.

Jesus is not God, Jesus is the Word of God, because Jesus was the divine expression of Gods power, light and truth on earth as a human being. This was done one time and one time only, and out of the flesh “Jesus” in spirit remained in authority over the earth for all who would call upon him, remembering him and seeking him as the only WAY to God as a human on earth.

What greater news could we receive?

In the beginning was the Word. The Word was God, the Bible says. Therefore, The Word = God. And, The Word was made flesh, the Bible says. Now if we use the transitive property, we have no problem in saying “God was made flesh”. And he just so happened to be called Jesus.

Elizabeth, when she saw the pregnant Mary, addressed her as “the mother of my Lord”. And as you know, the Lord is God.

The Bible also says somewhere in Isaiah (I’m a little tired to find the verse right now) that a virgin will give birth to a son and he will be named Immanuel (aka God is with us) and he will be called many names. Well guess what! A woman named Mary, a virgin, gave birth to a son named Jesus (aka Immanuel aka God is with us). And guess what also! Jesus had many names!

 

[empurpledsoul]

In the beginning was the Word. The Word was God, the Bible says. Therefore, The Word = God. And, The Word was made flesh, the Bible says. Now if we use the transitive property, we have no problem in saying “God was made flesh”. And he just so happened to be called Jesus.

Elizabeth, when she saw the pregnant Mary, addressed her as “the mother of my Lord”. And as you know, the Lord is God.

The Bible also says somewhere in Isaiah (I’m a little tired to find the verse right now) that a virgin will give birth to a son and he will be named Immanuel (aka God is with us) and he will be called many names. Well guess what! A woman named Mary, a virgin, gave birth to a son named Jesus (aka Immanuel aka God is with us). And guess what also! Jesus had many names!

The Word was indeed made flesh, but the flesh was indeed human and God is not human.

The Word is God’s power, wisdom, truth and light, not the human flesh it was made into, but of course, God is ALL THINGS and if you take it to that point, we are God too. But the human flesh was not God, for it suffered and died did it not? Once it was resurrected, it would no longer suffer or die, so it was now God, but no longer ‘in the flesh’. God already knows what being in the flesh is all about because God is omniscient and did not need to enter into a human form. WE needed God to bring to us, through a human life, His Word, Truth, Power and Light, so that we would no longer be lost to Him. Jesus was the human who God sent to “Be” The Word in the flesh in perfection. Now we have clear truth and no reason to falter or follow any other person in the flesh who was NOT Gods Word in purpose or power.

Theoretically God is in all things, not just ‘the flesh’ at all times, and so this teaching in John is the statement that God** sent His Word** to humanity through a particular human life, anointed for this specific DIVINE purpose.

Is God ONLY “The Word”? What is “The Word”, besides an **attribute **of God?

The Word is the power, light and truth of God that humanity can receive and understand and was sent to humanity to **bring them to know Him **in the manner which WE required in order to come to Him. Without knowledge, or “The Word” we would never understand what Jesus was able to bring us to understand and we would never know what God “is” to humanity specifically, without the Word to reveal it. I believe God is much more than the Word, but for our purposes as humans God is the Word and this is how we receive Him.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

The Word was indeed made flesh, but the flesh was indeed human and God is not human.

And the Word was God…

Why are you leaving bits and parts of scriptures out to discuss other bits and parts?

I am beginning to be suspect of you starting 3 threads, with the same subject, for the purposes of your own personal agenda. I’ve asked you a couple of times now, why did you start 3 threads with the same subject?

Could it be, it’s easier to avoid some issues being directed to you? This all boils down to an authority issue. Where does scriptures give you the authority to say someone else’s interpretation is wrong and only your’s is right?

 

[mbgumby28]

The Word was indeed made flesh, but the flesh was indeed human and God is not human.

And God was the Word, so if the Word was made flesh, that means God was made flesh. God is God. He can do anything. He has the ability to become flesh. And he did. Remeber, we are made in God’s image. What better way to be saved than to have your own God come down and suffer/die for you? That just shows how great his love is for us.

The Word is God’s power, wisdom, truth and light, not the human flesh it was made into, but of course, God is ALL THINGS and if you take it to that point, we are God too. But the human flesh was not God, for it suffered and died did it not? Once it was resurrected, it would no longer suffer or die, so it was now God, but no longer ‘in the flesh’. God already knows what being in the flesh is all about because God is omniscient and did not need to enter into a human form. WE needed God to bring to us, through a human life, His Word, Truth, Power and Light, so that we would no longer be lost to Him. Jesus was the human who God sent to “Be” The Word in the flesh in perfection. Now we have clear truth and no reason to falter or follow any other person in the flesh who was NOT Gods Word in purpose or power.

Dude, the Bible clearly states that the Word is God. I assume you have no problem with this. God is the Word. That was merely switching the words, but since “is” is the same as “equal to” there is no problem switching the words, they both mean the same. The Word was made flesh. I assume you have no problem with this, as the Bible clearly states this. God was made flesh. If you had no problem understanding the past three phrases, then you’ll have no problem with this, since that is how the transitive property is used.

Theoretically God is in all things, not just ‘the flesh’ at all times, and so this teaching in John is the statement that God** sent His Word** to humanity through a particular human life, anointed for this specific DIVINE purpose.

God came down here in the form of a human being. What problem do you have with this? Do you think he doesn’t have the ability to?

Is God ONLY “The Word”? What is “The Word”, besides an **attribute **of God?

The Word is God. God is the Word. God and the Word are one and the same.

The Word is the power, light and truth of God that humanity can receive and understand and was sent to humanity to **bring them to know Him **in the manner which WE required in order to come to Him. Without knowledge, or “The Word” we would never understand what Jesus was able to bring us to understand and we would never know what God “is” to humanity specifically, without the Word to reveal it. I believe God is much more than the Word, but for our purposes as humans God is the Word and this is how we receive Him.

So what exactly are you saying Jesus is? Just a human being like everyone of us? Because if you’re saying Jesus isn’t God, than you must be saying he’s just a human being, cause that’s the only other option.

 

[SHW]

Is God ONLY “The Word”? What is “The Word”, besides an attribute of God?

The Word is God. The Holy Spirit is God. The Father is God. There is one God only, but there are three Divine Persons in this one God. (James 2:19) Think of a three-leaf shamrock with each leaf representing one Divine Person. It takes all three leafs to make one shamrock.

All Divine Persons are equal to each other. Jesus commanded that in order for persons to become His disciples that they be baptized in God’s name: in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 28:19, Philippians 2:5-7)

Jesus is a Divine Person with two natures, divine and human.

When all three Persons work together as one God: God the Father is the Will (thought) of God. God the Son is the Word (verbal command) of God. God the Holy Spirit is the Power (action) of God.

Pax,
SHW