In the context of some non-Catholic Christian religions, is it wrong or a “sin” to honor former U.S. President Abraham Lincoln and was a “sin” committ

[Jimmy_B]

In the context of some non-Catholic Christian religions, is it wrong or a “sin” to honor former U.S. President Abraham Lincoln and was a “sin” committed, creating the Lincoln Memorial?

*I asked this, because I have read here at CAF, that some non-Catholic Christians believe that the creation or possession of a small statue of Mary (the mother of God) or the Saints violates a Commandment. So does creating or visiting a very large statue, the Lincoln Memorial, violate the same “Commandment”. *

Does this same “sin” apply to crucifix’s and images of Jesus?

 

[Jimmy_B]

In the context of some non-Catholic Christian religions, is it wrong or a “sin” to honor former U.S. President Abraham Lincoln? Was a “sin” committed, by creating the Lincoln Memorial?

*I asked this, because I have read here at CAF, that some non-Catholic Christians believe that the creation or possession of a small statue of Mary (the mother of God) or the Saints violates a “Commandment”. So does creating or visiting a very large statue, the Lincoln Memorial, violate the same “Commandment”. *

Does this same “sin” apply to crucifix’s and images of Jesus?

 

[JonNC]

In the context of some non-Catholic Christian religions, is it wrong or a “sin” to honor former U.S. President Abraham Lincoln and was a “sin” committed, creating the Lincoln Memorial?

*I asked this, because I have read here at CAF, that some non-Catholic Christians believe that the creation or possession of a small statue of Mary (the mother of God) or the Saints violates a Commandment. So does creating or visiting a very large statue, the Lincoln Memorial, violate the same “Commandment”. *

Does this same “sin” apply to crucifix’s and images of Jesus?

Jimmy,
Of course not, to all of the above. Now if one prays to Lincoln or Lincoln’s statue, or Mary or her statue, etc., then we have a violation, “you shall have no other gods before me.” Catholics do not pray to Mary or the saints in the sense that they believe these individuals can save them. They pray to them in the same way we all “pray” each other to pray for us. Catholics know that Christ is the single savior, just like non-catholics do. I’m not Catholic, I just don’t believe the charge by some non-catholics that they do.

Blessings,
Jon

PS My dad was a Lutheran pastor. His crucifix is a priceless possession.

 

[Jimmy_B]

What happened, where are all the “no graven images” Christians, here is your chance to defend you position.

 

[grandmaM]

In the context of some non-Catholic Christian religions, is it wrong or a “sin” to honor former U.S. President Abraham Lincoln and was a “sin” committed, creating the Lincoln Memorial?

*I asked this, because I have read here at CAF, that some non-Catholic Christians believe that the creation or possession of a small statue of Mary (the mother of God) or the Saints violates a Commandment. So does creating or visiting a very large statue, the Lincoln Memorial, violate the same “Commandment”. *

Does this same “sin” apply to crucifix’s and images of Jesus?

I see nothing wrong with the statue as long we do not worship them. As far as pictures or crosses or crucifix’s as long as we don’t worship them they are not a problem.

 

[Elric]

What happened, where are all the “no graven images” Christians, here is your chance to defend you position.

Is it a graven image?

What is the purpose of it?

Personally I probably would not have built a memorial to Lincoln. Not because of any pedantic argument over “graven images”, but because I dont believe he deserves one.

This is a pretty silly thing to argue about.

 

[Contarini]

In the context of some non-Catholic Christian religions, is it wrong or a “sin” to honor former U.S. President Abraham Lincoln and was a “sin” committed, creating the Lincoln Memorial?

*I asked this, because I have read here at CAF, that some non-Catholic Christians believe that the creation or possession of a small statue of Mary (the mother of God) or the Saints violates a Commandment. So does creating or visiting a very large statue, the Lincoln Memorial, violate the same “Commandment”. *

Does this same “sin” apply to crucifix’s and images of Jesus?

I think that some Anabaptists would say yes. I myself would actually have far more problems with the Lincoln Memorial than with images of Mary or the other saints (not to mention a crucifix). I say this as someone who just visited the Memorial last month and was very moved, but I couldn’t help feeling as if maybe I was committing idolatry.

I think you have an excellent point that many patriotic Protestants never think of questioning things like this, which are actually far more likely to be real idolatry than the Catholic practices they reject.

Edwin

 

[AgnosTheist]

I think that some Anabaptists would say yes.

I have yet to hear 1 protestant complain about a secular statue.

 

[sandusky]

JimmyB:

In the context of some non-Catholic Christian religions, is it wrong or a “sin” to honor former U.S. President Abraham Lincoln and was a “sin” committed, creating the Lincoln Memorial?

I asked this, because I have read here at CAF, that some non-Catholic Christians believe that the creation or possession of a small statue of Mary (the mother of God) or the Saints violates a Commandment. So does creating or visiting a very large statue, the Lincoln Memorial, violate the same “Commandment”.

It depends.

Has Lincoln been declared infallibly to be:1. Conceived by the Holy Ghost without the cooperation of man. (De fide.)
2. After the Birth of Jesus remained a Virgin. (De fide.)
3. Assumed body and soul into Heaven. (De fide.)
4. Conceived without stain of original sin. (De fide.)Have you ever seen a statue of Lincoln inside of a Protestant church with the faithful praying
to him?Romans 13:7

Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.You need to read the Bible more, Jimmy, IMO.

 

[AquinasT]

If “honor” is due to Lincoln (as you admit), and “honor” can be shown to Lincoln by erecting a statue and building a memorial in his name, then how much more is “honor” due to Mary, how much more ought we erect statues and build memorials in her name. Lincoln performed a great service to his nation, Mary performed a great service to all of humanity. Who is more deserving of “honor”? Who ought to have the larger statue, the grandest memorial? This sounds like you are building a case in favor of Catholic practices…and with Biblical support, no less.
Thomas

 

[AgnosTheist]

Lincoln performed a great service to his nation, Mary performed a great service to all of humanity. Who is more deserving of “honor”?

Lincoln. He worked very hard. He instituted change against all odds. He was martyred. And what did Mary do? Something that is very common. Logically, Lincoln is the greater achiever here.

And between the bible characters Moses was a greater hero than Mary. Paul was better than Mary. But Mary is better than Sarah (wife of Abraham). Between Ruth & Mary, hmmm probably just about the same.

 

[sandusky]

AquinasT:

If “honor” is due to Lincoln (as you admit), and “honor” can be shown to Lincoln by erecting a statue and building a memorial in his name, then how much more is “honor” due to Mary, how much more ought we erect statues and build memorials in her name.

Lincoln performed a great service to his nation, Mary performed a great service to all of humanity. Who is more deserving of “honor”? Who ought to have the larger statue, the grandest memorial?

Your question is off-topic, and has nothing to do with the OP.

However, the Lincoln memorial belongs to the people of the United States, and commemorates one of her great presidents.

If you would like to petition the United States government to commission and build a statue,
and memorial to Mary, you have every right to do so; however, I don’t think you’ll have
much success.

AquinasT:

This sounds like you are building a case in favor of Catholic practices…and with Biblical support, no less.

Of course that’s what you here.

 

[AgnosTheist]

Normally what people honor is the Hero himself, not his parents.

 

[kim3260]

Lincoln. He worked very hard. He instituted change against all odds. He was martyred. And what did Mary do?.

Uh, I don’t know :doh2:
By her saying yes to God’s plan for her, she in her way “helped”—(notice I said HELPED not she did), save many by saying yes and giving birth to Jesus. Because had she said no where would we be No matter what religion you are, if you call yourself a Christian you must give her at least that respect.

 

[kim3260]

Normally what people honor is the Hero himself, not his parents.

Yes but don’t his/her parents get some special honor at certain things?

 

[AgnosTheist]

Because had she said no where would we be

Had Mary said ‘No’ you would be erecting Statues for another woman. Plain & simple. Dont underestimate God. He could always find another. Mary did nothing that any other woman could do as well.

Yes but don’t his/her parents get some special honor at certain things?

who honored Moses’ mother?
who honored Paul’s mother?
who honored Mohammad’s mother?
who honored Gandhi’s mother?
etc.

its the hero who deserves honor, not their parents.

 

[kim3260]

Had Mary said ‘No’ you would be erecting Statues for another woman. Plain & simple. Dont underestimate God. He could always find another. Mary did nothing that any other woman could do as well.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: That is not the point, SHE DID!
Just like any other president could have freed the slaves and saved the Union. But no other president did and their were many before him who could of but didn’t.
Mary was CHOOSEN by God from HER birth, but the fact she said yes makes her Mother of God. “Plain and Simple”

 

[AgnosTheist]

That is not the point, SHE DID!

Of course she did. Who wouldnt? Bottom line is, she did nothing that any other woman could do as well. So I’d rather erect honorary statues to ordinary people who did extraordinary deeds which directly benefitted mankind. Like Gandhi, Lincoln and Bill Gates.

Just like any other president could have freed the slaves and saved the Union. But no other president did and their were many before him who could of but didn’t.

thats why Lincoln got a statue and not the other presidents. What did Mary do that no other women were able to do given the opportunity? Even Mother Teresa deserves better than Mary. Mary could have done great things after raising Jesus. But nahhh.

 

[JonNC]

“Of course she did. Who wouldnt? Bottom line is, she did nothing that any other woman could do as well.”

A good Catholic, and many other Christians, would agree. That is why honoring Mary is really a way we thank God. Properly done, honoring this simple woman gives thanks to God for his grace to us as well.

“So I’d rather erect honorary statues to ordinary people who did extraordinary deeds which directly benefitted mankind. Like Gandhi, Lincoln and Bill Gates.”

All great people, but none of them were chosen by God to give birth to our savior.

*“What did Mary do that no other women were able to do given the opportunity? Even Mother Teresa deserves better than Mary. Mary could have done great things after raising Jesus.”/I]

Hmm, she stood at His cross, when most of his folowers, including Peter, ran and hid. Naa, nothing special.*

 

[AgnosTheist]

Hmm, she stood at His cross, when most of his folowers, including Peter, ran and hid. Naa, nothing special.

Yeah its nothing special. Mary wasnt in danger of being arrested so she had no reason not to attend the crucifixion.

Catholics give Mary an overload of honors…just because she got lucky (lucky enough to be born without sin & lucky enough to be chosen), and not because she did something extraordinary that that fills the limits of her natural capabilities.

That is so undeserving.