In the Eastern Catholic Church, Can One Receive Communion with a Serious Sin on One's Soul?

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So I had a chat with a very “orthodox” EC priest. Though we didn’t get into details he did say there are differences between the Sacramental life of the East vs. the West.
 
ConstantineTG said:
So I had a chat with a very “orthodox” EC priest. Though we didn’t get into details he did say there are differences between the Sacramental life of the East vs. the West.
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Of course there’s differences. But are they enough to merit disunity? That’s the whole point.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
mardukm said:
Of course there’s differences. But are they enough to merit disunity? That’s the whole point.

Blessings,
Marduk
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Unity or not, over 30 pages of this thread have been dedicated to repeated postings about not having any difference.
 
Cristiano said:
I think that the Eastern/Oriental Churches prefer to talk about Holy Mysteries and those do not have a one to one correspondence with the seven Sacraments as defined by the Council of Trent. I think that the Holy Mysteries encompass more, including your example of the sacramentals.
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I don’t think it’s that much of a matter of it being defined, but rather how to apply the essence of the idea itself. Orthodoxy, as a friend of mine explained, doesn’t attempt to codify things to the T. It does acknowledge seven primary sacraments, or mysteries. But, it takes on the mindset, why limit God’s scope to only those seven? Hence, they tend to not to define, or dogmatize things on a grander scale, keeping them mysterious.
 
Bookcat said:
Right Grave sin =serious sin =mortal sin --the terms are interchanged in the Catholic Church for the same thing. The differing terms only bring emphasis to different aspects of the same thing.
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The three are not quite interchangeable. A mortal sin must be grave, but a grave sin is not necessarily mortal. To be mortal the sinner must be aware of the evil nature of his actions, have proper reflection, and have full consent of the will.
 
Inego_de_Loyola said:
The three are not quite interchangeable. A mortal sin must be grave, but a grave sin is not necessarily mortal. To be mortal the sinner must be aware of the evil nature of his actions, have proper reflection, and have full consent of the will.
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This is correct, yet reflective of a Western perspective (not that there’s anything wrong with that ;)).
 
Dear brother Constantine,
ConstantineTG said:
Well, I was Latin Catholic for 33 years. I’ve spent a great deal of my life on that side.

It is wrong from our point of view. Isn’t it what this thread and forum is about? The Eastern praxis and the Eastern point of view? Like I said, when people here ask questions, they should be ready to listen to the answer. Don’t expect us to give a Latin answer. And don’t expect us to give an answer you would like. That is just how it is. Do you think we are happy when Latins say, “oh, standing for Consecration is just so disrespectful.” Do they try to reword what they say so we won’t be offended?
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“Standing for Consecration is just so disrespectful” = “it is wrong from our point of view.”

Can you not see the difference between an explanation and a judgment? Can you not see your reverse uniatism?

Can you not see the utter hypocrisy of your attitude?

Blessings,
Marduk
 
mardukm said:
Dear brother Constantine,

“Standing for Consecration is just so disrespectful” = “it is wrong from our point of view.”

Can you not see the difference between an explanation and a judgment? Can you not see your reverse uniatism?

Can you not see the utter hypocrisy of your attitude?

Blessings,
Marduk
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You call legitimate criticism “utter hypocrisy”? Critising the traditions of the parish you’re in is not a nice thing to do, and neither is calling Constantine a hypocrit.
 
mardukm said:
Dear brother Constantine,

“Standing for Consecration is just so disrespectful” = “it is wrong from our point of view.”

Can you not see the difference between an explanation and a judgment? Can you not see your reverse uniatism?
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Speaking for myself, I don’t see reverse uniatism in anything that Constantine has said. Sure, he has discussed the possibility of Eastern Catholics converting to Orthodoxy, but unless he actually starts pushing people to do so I wouldn’t call it “reverse uniatism”. (Plus, Constantine himself hasn’t converted to Orthodoxy.)
mardukm said:
Can you not see the utter hypocrisy of your attitude?
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Sorry but huh?

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mardukm said:
Dear brother Constantine,

“Standing for Consecration is just so disrespectful” = “it is wrong from our point of view.”

Can you not see the difference between an explanation and a judgment? Can you not see your reverse uniatism?

Can you not see the utter hypocrisy of your attitude?

Blessings,
Marduk
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All I can see is a mardukm who is utterly defeated and cannot debunk anything I have said and thus have resorted to what, 5 ad hominems by now? C’mon marduk, if you really know anything why resort to this?
 
mardukm said:
Dear brother Constantine,

“Standing for Consecration is just so disrespectful” = “it is wrong from our point of view.”

Can you not see the difference between an explanation and a judgment? Can you not see your reverse uniatism?

Can you not see the utter hypocrisy of your attitude?

Blessings,
Marduk
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Marduk,

Did you consider that he may have personally experienced Roman Catholics with the judgmental attitude that standing for the consecration is disrespectful, even when done by Eastern Christians in their own Eastern liturgies, where it is entirely in keeping with their tradition, and indeed, in accordance with what was once a universal tradition of the entire Church? I see no hypocrisy at all in his attitude.
 
ConstantineTG said:
All I can see is a mardukm who is utterly defeated and cannot debunk anything I have said and thus have resorted to what, 5 ad hominems by now? C’mon marduk, if you really know anything why resort to this?
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Constantine much of what you’ve said about the west (and East in some instances) has been shown to not be true. There’s nothing like ‘‘utter defeat’’ here (is this really what this is about for you?- Some show-down?). You are the one who went after our Eucharistic Adoration and he is calling it hypocrisy considering how much you complain of Latinization at the same time as you engage in ‘‘Hellenization’’ of the West.
 
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After reading every one of the more than 800 posts in this thread, I was disappointed to see it was marked by sarcastic, rude, biting personal comments. Calling others’ faith lives into question. Condescension and pedantic pandering to those who disagreed. Excluding people for belonging to a different church or communion even when they posted on-topic. No private notes to the moderator to step in after seeing the abuse. Allowing yourselves to be taken wildly off-topic by someone whose purpose appeared to be only to keep the controversy boiling. Sock-puppetry by someone who believes one, or 100, identities isn’t enough to make his voice be heard. This thread was like a who’s who for what not to do.

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