In the time it takes to ceremoniously distribute both species to all the EMHC's..

[Spudbynight]

It was getting close to Holy Week…I was wondering when the washing of the feet was going to come into playopcorn:

Assume that you believe the EMHC’s to be in error…so have you informed him? And then his bishop? And what were their response.? And were you able to leave it in their hands?

I don’t believe the EMHCs to be in error. I disagree with the overuse of them.

The washing of women’s feet is a liturgical abuse and prohibited. I have raised this without any response. To put some flavour on this my Bishop severely criticised Pope Benedict XVI 2 days after his resignation.

protectthepope.com/?p=6743

This interview response on the subject of female ordination is worth listening to as well :

youtube.com/watch?v=RcD4B2EH6hE

I am very wary of him.

Or are you still making the call?

Seeing as you replied directly to a post of mine where I stated it wasn’t my call to make I will assume you misread what I posted.

I tend to believe that usually most parishes have to plan certain things as you never know how many people will come in at the last minute (Weekday Masses). I myself appreciate it as I do have a short time schedule in order to get back from lunch. Sorry that Mass can’t go on all day. At least the use of an EMHC (or 3 if both species are offered) allows me not to have to leave before mass is ended. And I am grateful for that.

These Masses are not at lunchtime - they are in the morning. I have never seen any substantial variation in numbers at them.

Now the Mass that I was at the other day where the priest used the old translation…now that is a liturgical abuse.

I agree and unfortunately here in England and Wales that isn’t that uncommon.

 

[Spudbynight]

Never had the good fortune to meet him although I have heard of him.

I’ve not met him personally but I have read some of his views online.

 

[JackieMom]

If I’m understanding correctly - many people disagree with the use of EMs unless it is absolutely necessary. I’m wondering why. If the EMs have been properly trained and approved by the parish, what exactly is the objection?

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

If I’m understanding correctly - many people disagree with the use of EMs unless it is absolutely necessary. I’m wondering why. If the EMs have been properly trained and approved by the parish, what exactly is the objection?

Many people only want to receive from the priest…they do not believe that the laity is worthy to touch the Body of Christ. Ultimately they also must disagree with the distribution under both species as this almost always necessitates the use of EMHC’s. I hate to see people disturbed by such things when there are far greater things to worry about (such as making sure that we are properly disposed to receive communion). I am an EMHC and it is not always easy to make the time when you are on the schedule as cleaning up is also one of our duties (not purifying). But I feel blessed to serve my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. In fact during daily Mass…I would prefer NOT to be chosen as it is my lunch hour…and I just want to take in the Mass - but sadly there are quite a few elderly people and I’m younger so I ususally do.

On the other side…there are some EMHC’s who take it as their right to serve…and are maybe not as respectful as they should be…which adds fuel to the fire.

I would love it if we had a troup of priests/deacons…and it put me out of a job…so to speak. I pray for vocations! But in the meantime…there are so many things that ONLY a priest can do…that wear on them…that if we can help them out where the church allows…then why not?

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

The washing of women’s feet is a liturgical abuse and prohibited. I have raised this without any response. To put some flavour on this my Bishop severely criticised Pope Benedict XVI 2 days after his resignation.

protectthepope.com/?p=6743

I agree and unfortunately here in England and Wales that isn’t that uncommon.

Since you live in England…I’m not going to argue about it being prohibited…as I have a link from the USCCB that says otherwise…but since you are not under them:shrug:

I didn’t watch the video…but I’m assuming that he is for women’s ordination…then ya that is wrong…to me those are the things to concentrate on…

 

[garn9173]

If I’m understanding correctly - many people disagree with the use of EMs unless it is absolutely necessary. I’m wondering why. If the EMs have been properly trained and approved by the parish, what exactly is the objection?

Because it’s not “traditional and proper”. Go and look at all of the threads of Communion on the hand vs tougne. Even though the Church has said it’s okay to receive in the hand, many on this board feel that’s not right and the “traditional and proper” way to receive Communion is on the knees and on the tounge.

 

[Jean_Anthony]

Please stay on topic. If you wish to discuss another issue, start another thread. Thank you.

 

[Spudbynight]

Since you live in England…I’m not going to argue about it being prohibited…as I have a link from the USCCB that says otherwise…but since you are not under them:shrug:

I didn’t watch the video…but I’m assuming that he is for women’s ordination…then ya that is wrong…to me those are the things to concentrate on…

Fr.Z has written on the subject several times. This is from last year.

wdtprs.com/blog/2012/03/quaeritur-holy-thursday-mandatum-and-female-feet-wherein-advice-is-sought-and-fr-z-ranteth/

He is of the belief that no Bishop in the US has ever received explicit approval for a variation from the Holy See. If you have a link to confirm otherwise I think he would be interested to see it.

I have read the statement from the USCCB here but that is from 1987 - i.e. it predates Paschales Solemnitatis which was circulated by the CDW in 1988. The statement from the USCCB includes a footer “This is the latest statement of this Secretariat on the question. No subsequent legislation or instructions have necessitated a modification in the statement.” which really doesn’t sit easily with me.

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

Because it’s not “traditional and proper”. Go and look at all of the threads of Communion on the hand vs tougne. Even though the Church has said it’s okay to receive in the hand, many on this board feel that’s not right and the “traditional and proper” way to receive Communion is on the knees and on the tounge.

So leaving out the way of receiving communion-Your main objection is that it is not tradition? Is there any way you would be ok with the use of EMHC’s or is this a fruitless discussion?

 

[JackieMom]

Many people only want to receive from the priest…they do not believe that the laity is worthy to touch the Body of Christ. Ultimately they also must disagree with the distribution under both species as this almost always necessitates the use of EMHC’s. I hate to see people disturbed by such things when there are far greater things to worry about (such as making sure that we are properly disposed to receive communion). I am an EMHC and it is not always easy to make the time when you are on the schedule as cleaning up is also one of our duties (not purifying). But I feel blessed to serve my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. In fact during daily Mass…I would prefer NOT to be chosen as it is my lunch hour…and I just want to take in the Mass - but sadly there are quite a few elderly people and I’m younger so I ususally do.

On the other side…there are some EMHC’s who take it as their right to serve…and are maybe not as respectful as they should be…which adds fuel to the fire.

I would love it if we had a troup of priests/deacons…and it put me out of a job…so to speak. I pray for vocations! But in the meantime…there are so many things that ONLY a priest can do…that wear on them…that if we can help them out where the church allows…then why not?

Okay, I see. Do they believe that the Echarist is somehow invalidated or made lesser if they recieve their host from an extraordinary minister? I see if they disagree on principle, but in the case where one is being used, why would they avoid that line for communion?

 

[garn9173]

So leaving out the way of receiving communion-Your main objection is that it is not tradition? Is there any way you would be ok with the use of EMHC’s or is this a fruitless discussion?

My last post was just a comparison of this thread and other’s in this subforum. I’m 100% perfectly fine with Eucharistic Minister’s. In the large Parish’s here in the Des Moines metro, Eucharistic Minister’s are a MUST. Could the smaller ruarl Parish’s in my Diocese get away without? It’s not my posistion or any one else’s here to say as the use has been approved by the Church i’m guessing years before I made my First Holy Communion in the early 80’s.

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

Okay, I see. Do they believe that the Echarist is somehow invalidated or made lesser if they recieve their host from an extraordinary minister? I see if they disagree on principle, but in the case where one is being used, why would they avoid that line for communion?

They believe that the laity is not worthy to touch the Body of Christ. Heck I feel that way as an EMHC…it’s a awesome responsibility…and we are not worthy…and neither is the priest…no one is…something to always remember.

Some will…as they feel that they will ONLY receive from a priest or deacon as their hands are consecrated…(which a deacon’s are not but that’s another topic). I see them all the time at daily Mass.

Some will just disagree in principal but receive from an EMHC.

Some take it a little further and dislike women EMHC’s…

It’s all very interesting…

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

My last post was just a comparison of this thread and other’s in this subforum. I’m 100% perfectly fine with Eucharistic Minister’s. In the large Parish’s here in the Des Moines metro, Eucharistic Minister’s are a MUST. Could the smaller ruarl Parish’s in my Diocese get away without? It’s not my posistion or any one else’s here to say as the use has been approved by the Church i’m guessing years before I made my First Holy Communion in the early 80’s.

 

[thistle]

They believe that the laity is not worthy to touch the Body of Christ. Heck I feel that way as an EMHC…it’s a awesome responsibility…and we are not worthy…and neither is the priest…no one is…something to always remember.

Some will…as they feel that they will ONLY receive from a priest or deacon as their hands are consecrated…(which a deacon’s are not but that’s another topic). I see them all the time at daily Mass.

Some will just disagree in principal but receive from an EMHC.

Some take it a little further and dislike women EMHC’s…

It’s all very interesting…

Such people who believe the laity are not worthy to touch the body of Christ are putting themselves above the Church. The Church says EMHC’s are permitted when necessary. I guess these people also do not approve of receiving in the hand otherwise their views make even less sense.
They also have the choice of standing in the line to receive from the priest. They are not required to receive from an EMHC.

Just for information, here in the Philippines the Church does not allow women to be EMHC’s. All EMHC’s here are men.

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

Such people who believe the laity are not worthy to touch the body of Christ are putting themselves above the Church. The Church says EMHC’s are permitted when necessary. I guess these people also do not approve of receiving in the hand otherwise their views make even less sense.
They also have the choice of standing in the line to receive from the priest. They are not required to receive from an EMHC.

Just for information, **here in the Philippines **the Church does not allow women to be EMHC’s. All EMHC’s here are men.

Interesting…I will have to ask our seminarian who is from the Philippines and helps with RCIA about that. BTW…we get to keep him so we won’t be sending him back

 

[GwenL]

Because it’s not “traditional and proper”. Go and look at all of the threads of Communion on the hand vs tougne. Even though the Church has said it’s okay to receive in the hand, many on this board feel that’s not right and the “traditional and proper” way to receive Communion is on the knees and on the tounge.

And who decides what is “traditional and proper?”

Personally, I’ll go with Holy Mother Church on any assessment of what is proper. In the United States, we may receive kneeling or standing, on the tongue or in the hands. Further, the Church authorizes the use of EMsHC to assist the clergy in the distribution of Holy Communion. The Church encourages the offering of the Precious Blood to the faithful, as it provides a “fuller sign” of the sacrament. If you are going to offer the Precious Blood, you are going to need EMsHC. How many EMsHC should be used? I’ll go with the pastor–it’s his decision and his alone. It’s also his decision (unless the bishop gives other direction) to offer the Precious Blood to the faithful, or not.

We would do better to worry about our own worthiness to receive Holy Communion, rather than criticize others. And, by the way, I receive kneeling and on the tongue in the Ordinary Form. But people are allowed to receive standing and in the hand.

I laugh when I see people jump lines to receive only from the priest or deacon. Did you know that the deacon’s hands are not consecrated? But the deacon is an Ordinary Minister of Holy Communion–would one refuse communion from the deacon? Did you know that priests’ hands are consecrated to confect the Eucharist, not to distribute Holy Communion? Do you really think that the Eucharist is “less Jesus” because a layperson touches it? People who jump lines to receive only from a priest ought to think a little more deeply about the sacrament and what it really is.

 

[thistle]

Interesting…I will have to ask our seminarian who is from the Philippines and helps with RCIA about that. BTW…we get to keep him so we won’t be sending him back

Here females can be a commentator at Mass and a reader but not an altar boy or EMHC.

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

Here females can be a commentator at Mass and a reader but not an altar boy or EMHC.

Man, I would be in real trouble…I’m a sacrastian (MC) and an EMHC. My husband is the reader…it’s his talent…

 

[clem456]

Because it’s not “traditional and proper”. Go and look at all of the threads of Communion on the hand vs tougne. Even though the Church has said it’s okay to receive in the hand, **many on this board feel **that’s not right and the “traditional and proper” way to receive Communion is on the knees and on the tounge.

If you are going to put stock in what “many” think or feel (not the best way to make decisions), keep in mind that this board and especially a couple of the subforums, do not reflect what most, or many, or the majority of, practicing Catholics are concerned about. Out in the field these are non-issues for the ohhhhh, 95% I’d guess.

 

[ProVobis]

Maybe then people will start to abstain from receiving when they shouldn’t be receiving to begin with and the lines will decrease. I can’t imagine that in years past when everybody in the western world went to church that they needed EMHCs. Yet today when Mass attendance is at all time lows they’re more needed? I know that there are less priests, but there are also less people in the pews.

One would think not.

At the Spanish Masses I attend, fewer than 50%, if that many, go to receive. One priest and one EMHC and communion is done in less than 5 minutes.