In this entire universe, why are humans that special in God's eyes?

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tonyrey said:
It is a mistake not to be self-promoting if we have some talent to promote. To pretend we are worthless and insignificant is false modesty which is a form of deceit.
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We certainly arnt worthless, but i dont believe we are some sort of chosen race either. I dont believe we are the only living creatures with souls.
 
Skadi said:
We certainly arnt worthless, but i dont believe we are some sort of chosen race either. I dont believe we are the only living creatures with souls.
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Nor do I! Regardless of life elsewhere I believe animals have souls but that isn’t a good reason to think we are all insignificant - or equally valuable.

Would you kill a mosquito if you lived in the tropics? If not why not?
 
tonyrey said:
Nor do I! Regardless of life elsewhere I believe animals have souls but that isn’t a good reason to think we are all insignificant - or equally valuable.

Would you kill a mosquito if you lived in the tropics? If not why not?
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Id have no problem with it, but not because I am more significant (although statistically as a top tier predator I occupy a larger portion of the eco-system then a single mosquito) but because that is simply the circle of life. Life is a struggle to survive, and thats something which unfortunately we have forgotten as a result of our advanced civilization.
 
Skadi said:
*Nor do I! Regardless of life elsewhere I believe animals have souls but that isn’t a good reason to think we are all insignificant - or equally valuable.
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  1. Is every form of life insignificant?
  2. Is every form of life valueless?
  3. Is (in)significance measured by size or frequency?
  4. What is the meaning of “advanced” in the context of the struggle to survive?
  5. Do you put saving your life before everything else?
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tonyrey said:
  1. Is every form of life insignificant?
  2. Is every form of life valueless?
  3. Is (in)significance measured by size or frequency?
  4. What is the meaning of “advanced” in the context of the struggle to survive?
  5. Do you put saving your life before everything else?
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  1. No, all life is significant.
2.No.
  1. No, Significance is relative. My dog is far more significant to me than to you.
  2. Humans have become so technological advanced that in most societies we are now disconnected from nature, and natural selection plays little role. The advent of indoor heating, plumbing, medical technology, and government welfare means that in the west atleast there is no longer the “struggle to survive” which our ancestors face.
I do not believe technology is bad, but I do believe or heavy dependence on it, coupled with the rise of powerful central governments and welfare states, is hurting the human race. We are domesticating ourselves, loosing our connection to nature, and what we realy are, predators.
  1. I dont not, but I cannot fault a man for doing it. I place my family, friends, honor, and doing what is right before my own life, but if another man does not so be it. Life is ultimately one thing, the struggle to survive. Not just as individuals, but as families, communities, and the human race as a whole.
 
Skadi said:
  1. No, all life is significant.
2.No.
  1. No, Significance is relative. My dog is far more significant to me than to you.
  2. Humans have become so technological advanced that in most societies we are now disconnected from nature, and natural selection plays little role. The advent of indoor heating, plumbing, medical technology, and government welfare means that in the west at least there is no longer the “struggle to survive” which our ancestors face.
I do not believe technology is bad, but I do believe or heavy dependence on it, coupled with the rise of powerful central governments and welfare states, is hurting the human race. We are domesticating ourselves, loosing our connection to nature, and what we really are, predators.
  1. I dont not, but I cannot fault a man for doing it. I place my family, friends, honor, and doing what is right before my own life, but if another man does not so be it. Life is ultimately one thing, the struggle to survive. Not just as individuals, but as families, communities, and the human race as a whole.
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I agree with all your statements apart from “what we really are, predators” and “I cannot fault a man for doing it” which seem inconsistent with “I place my family, friends, honor, and doing what is right before my own life”. Why are you different from those who live like predators?
 
tonyrey said:
I agree with all your statements apart from “what we really are, predators” and “I cannot fault a man for doing it” which seem inconsistent with “I place my family, friends, honor, and doing what is right before my own life”. Why are you different from those who live like predators?
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I am a predator, we all are whether we like it or not. I simply mean that while i hold myself to a higher standard because of my religious convictions i understand if others dont hold themselves to my standards.
 
Skadi said:
I am a predator, we all are whether we like it or not. I simply mean that while i hold myself to a higher standard because of my religious convictions i understand if others dont hold themselves to my standards.
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Are your convictions consistent with being a predator? 😉
 
LibralAteoJesus said:
A huge universe, where a tiny planet is called Earth, the human specie is so important in God’s eyes, that he even sent his son to die for it.

What made humans so special? Is it God? or the egoist rise in humans?

Did God create a hierarchist world where angels are more important than humans and humans are more important than animals, if ETs exist, are they less or more important than humans? If they are equal to humans in God’s eyes, did he also sent his son JESUS to die for them as well?

But then, if there is no hierarchy in God’s creation, then all living beings are equal in their importance which doesn’t make any sense in religion.
If there is a hierarchy, then how would this be just, when God favors one of his creations over another simply because they got the chance to be born in the right specie.
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Humans are not that special in the entire universe. We are just special on Earth (as the highest developed species with a soul).

Just as God sent a Son to save us on Earth, he has very likely sent other Sons to ETs on other planets. So ETs are not less important (and probably not more important) than us humans. The mistake is assuming that Jesus is the only Son.
 
openmind77 said:
Humans are not that special in the entire universe. We are just special on Earth (as the highest developed species with a soul).

Just as God sent a Son to save us on Earth, he has very likely sent other Sons to ETs on other planets. So ETs are not less important (and probably not more important) than us humans. The mistake is assuming that Jesus is the only Son.
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I see no reason why an infinite, limitless, all-powerful God would not be able to create an entire universe the size of ours for only one planet of people. It’s not like it is more trouble on His part.

I see no reason why we should not be the only humans in the universe, and until proven otherwise, no one can assume there are others.
 
dshix said:
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I see no reason why we should not be the only humans in the universe, and until proven otherwise, no one can assume there are others…
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That is pretty much what atheists say about the existence of God.
 
openmind77 said:
That is pretty much what atheists say about the existence of God.
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Except their alternative explanations for the existence of the universe require even more faith than the faith necessary to believe in Intelligent Design, and their other beliefs aren’t even founded on reason, as belief in an all-Powerful first mover is.

Evolution, Blind Chance, and the Multiverse are all perfectly interesting ideas… with no basis on reality and no proof.

God, an intelligent, creative being, does find a basis in reality, because of nature’s design, and His existence can also be found through reason.
 
dshix said:
Except their alternative explanations for the existence of the universe require even more faith than the faith necessary to believe in Intelligent Design, and their other beliefs aren’t even founded on reason, as belief in an all-Powerful first mover is.

Evolution, Blind Chance, and the Multiverse are all perfectly interesting ideas… with no basis on reality and no proof.

God, an intelligent, creative being, does find a basis in reality, because of nature’s design, and His existence can also be found through reason.
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Actually there is just about as much proof for Evolution as there is for gravity. We can literally see it happening around us. Whether you think we all evolved from one single celled organism or we all appeared magically next to the dinosaurs, that fact that evolution does happen is indisputable.
 
Skadi said:
Actually there is just about as much proof for Evolution as there is for gravity. We can literally see it happening around us. Whether you think we all evolved from one single celled organism or we all appeared magically next to the dinosaurs, that fact that evolution does happen is indisputable.
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By gravity, what do you mean?
  • that things fall?
  • that there exists a gravitational force?
  • that mass attracts mass?
  • that mass bends space-time causing objects to come together?
  • i don’t know, that all mass within an expanding universe seeks to return to a state where it all occupies the same space?
What do you mean by the term evolution? There is no scientific theory that explains how it came to be that we have a spiritual soul.

I do not think we can discuss the matter further here. I included the last question not for a reply, but just to direct your attention to the issue.
 
Skadi said:
Actually there is just about as much proof for Evolution as there is for gravity. We can literally see it happening around us. Whether you think we all evolved from one single celled organism or we all appeared magically next to the dinosaurs, that fact that evolution does happen is indisputable.
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Yes, but the idea that life evolved from a lifeless universe via spontaneous generation, with no interference by Intelligent Design, has no proof and low probability.
 
dshix said:
Yes, but the idea that life evolved from a lifeless universe via spontaneous generation, with no interference by Intelligent Design, has no proof and low probability.
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Which is why i included the last sentence, its an unanswerable question. Even if we prove its possible dosnt mean its what happened. Im just saying that we do know life changes and adapts to its environment over generations via natural selection, and sometimes leading to divergence of species.
 
Aloysium said:
By gravity, what do you mean?
  • that things fall?
  • that there exists a gravitational force?
  • that mass attracts mass?
  • that mass bends space-time causing objects to come together?
  • i don’t know, that all mass within an expanding universe seeks to return to a state where it all occupies the same space?
What do you mean by the term evolution? There is no scientific theory that explains how it came to be that we have a spiritual soul.

I do not think we can discuss the matter further here. I included the last question not for a reply, but just to direct your attention to the issue.
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That matter has an inherent property to attract to other matter.

And I agree with your last statement, but because I do not believe Humans exclusively have a soul then its totally possible some divine force generated a single celled organism (with a soul) which gave rise to all life on earth. Soul’s dont disprove evolution.
 
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