In times of indecision is it okay to make your best guess?

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Is it reasonable to take your best guess in times of moral indecision?

Say, that a stranger is being attacked, you don’t know if he deserves it or not. So then do you do nothing since you know nothing, or do you help by taking your best guess that the attackee is the victim or vice versa?
 
Is it reasonable to take your best guess in times of moral indecision?

Say, that a stranger is being attacked, you don’t know if he deserves it or not. So then do you do nothing since you know nothing, or do you help by taking your best guess that the attackee is the victim or vice versa?
The principle is: before 30ties, when in doubt, do not do it. After the 30ties, when in doubt, do it.
 
The principle is: before 30ties, when in doubt, do not do it. After the 30ties, when in doubt, do it.
Perhaps it’s too early in the morning and my coffee has not yet quickened my ability to detect wry humor. If that’s the case, please forgive my more serious reply…

With that caveat, I assume that by “30ties” you’re referring to adults who have surpassed the age of 29.

Beyond that, I suspect that your proposition, while possibly not entirely wrong, consists more of opinion than “principle.”

Having reached the terminal stage my third decade, and knowing many others at various points along that continuum, I’m extremely reluctant to agree that age, alone, should be the determining factor in any particular discernment process. Especially where life-altering choices must be made.

Wisdom, it may be hoped, does increase with age. Though the rate of increase varies among individuals.

Perhaps, I’m unwise in choosing to post this response… 😉

Peace
 
Is it reasonable to take your best guess in times of moral indecision?

Say, that a stranger is being attacked, you don’t know if he deserves it or not. So then do you do nothing since you know nothing, or do you help by taking your best guess that the attackee is the victim or vice versa?
You call 911 and let the police sort it out. That is their job.
 
One forms their conscience with the Teachings of the Church…one seeks when one can to find the info needed or the advice needed etc to make the needed judgment.

One uses prudence. Which can involve seeking the needed advice etc.

Catechism:

1806 Prudence is the virtue that disposes practical reason to discern our true good in every circumstance and to choose the right means of achieving it; "the prudent man looks where he is going."65 "Keep sane and sober for your prayers."66 Prudence is “right reason in action,” writes St. Thomas Aquinas, following Aristotle.67 It is not to be confused with timidity or fear, nor with duplicity or dissimulation. It is called auriga virtutum (the charioteer of the virtues); it guides the other virtues by setting rule and measure. It is prudence that immediately guides the judgment of conscience. the prudent man determines and directs his conduct in accordance with this judgment. With the help of this virtue we apply moral principles to particular cases without error and overcome doubts about the good to achieve and the evil to avoid.
 
So how would you characterize this answer -it isn’t quite best guess since you’re doing what you know to be right, and it isn’t indecision either, but at the same time, it isn’t necessary to act only when you know you’re right, so there must be some other option in the field of moral action.

As for prudence, of course we need prudence but I’m implicitly asking is it prudent to guess at the right action in some situations or is it imprudent or is it prudent to not act w/o a certain amount of info.?

What is this certain amount?
 
So how would you characterize this answer -it isn’t quite best guess since you’re doing what you know to be right, and it isn’t indecision either, but at the same time, it isn’t necessary to act only when you know you’re right, so there must be some other option in the field of moral action.

As for prudence, of course we need prudence but I’m implicitly asking is it prudent to guess at the right action in some situations or is it imprudent or is it prudent to not act w/o a certain amount of info.?

What is this certain amount?
Not quite sure I follow the Q in the first part.

As to the second…it all depends 🙂

Like in the case of seeing someone being beaten up…it is reasonable to say I will call 911 an let them take care of it.

Prudence can involve waiting and finding out more information…or it may mean one is to act now (like perhaps calling 911 in the above situation) based on the info one has…like the guy beating up the other…
 
fakename, in short answer to your question “should we make our best guess,?” I can only say “Of course, what else are we supposed to do?”

Why? Because our “best guess” is IMHO our conscience.

The Catechism is not a compendium of how to answer all moral choices we ever face in our lives. The “compendium” is instead one’s own properly-formed conscience.

Constantly saying “I need more information!” can, taken to an extreme, simply become an excuse to live in fear of making the wrong moral choice.

Now, as to asking, “Say, that a stranger is being attacked, you don’t know if he deserves it or not. So then do you do nothing since you know nothing…”

-Wake up! You DO know something: You know a stranger is being ATTACKED. DESERVED IT? Are you serious? Call 911…or help him…or yell “help, police!” or WHATEVER, But do SOMETHING. We ARE our brother’s keeper.
 
Yeah, but what if you face information overload (that’s basically what this question is about)? If there are too many well known options to take, and you can’t think of all of them in a certain period of time, then you can either make a choice which is not based on examining every possibility, or you can make a choice not to do anything which is apparently wrong.

So how do you solve this? I suppose the answer would be “don’t think about so much stuff” but doesn’t that go against the love of truth -perhaps not (just like not having sex all the time doesn’t go against the need to procreate).

But there might be other answers?
 
Sometimes we are to “not act” …

For we need more info …we have some real doubt that needs to be settled first. Say your a hunter in the woods…and you see something up ahead …that may be a deer or your hunting buddy. Do you shoot? No! One needs first to be sure it is a deer (not that I hunt…but such is a classic example).

And sometime people can come up with unreasonable fears…thoughts …that keep them from acting…

To give a wild example it may be that one looking at a deer and yet some odd thought occurs to you --what if henry is wearing a deer suit to play a game on me? Well such is unreasonable …not a real concern here…

Or say one is a pregnant woman given a pill that one recalls that it can harm the child…one goes and finds out first. Such is an example of a need to stop and find out.

But say one finds out …and still has some irrational hesitation…even though one knows from the doctor and other good sources that it is perfectly safe.
 
Catechism:

I. The Judgment of Conscience

1777 Moral conscience,48 present at the heart of the person, enjoins him at the appropriate moment to do good and to avoid evil. It also judges particular choices, approving those that are good and denouncing those that are evil.49 It bears witness to the authority of truth in reference to the supreme Good to which the human person is drawn, and it welcomes the commandments. When he listens to his conscience, the prudent man can hear God speaking.

1778 Conscience is a judgment of reason whereby the human person recognizes the moral quality of a concrete act that he is going to perform, is in the process of performing, or has already completed. In all he says and does, man is obliged to follow faithfully what he knows to be just and right. It is by the judgment of his conscience that man perceives and recognizes the prescriptions of the divine law:

Conscience is a law of the mind; yet [Christians] would not grant that it is nothing more; I mean that it was not a dictate, nor conveyed the notion of responsibility, of duty, of a threat and a promise… [Conscience] is a messenger of him, who, both in nature and in grace, speaks to us behind a veil, and teaches and rules us by his representatives. Conscience is the aboriginal Vicar of Christ.50

1779 It is important for every person to be sufficiently present to himself in order to hear and follow the voice of his conscience. This requirement of interiority is all the more necessary as life often distracts us from any reflection, self-examination or introspection:

Return to your conscience, question it… Turn inward, brethren, and in everything you do, see God as your witness.51

1780 The dignity of the human person implies and requires uprightness of moral conscience. Conscience includes the perception of the principles of morality (synderesis); their application in the given circumstances by practical discernment of reasons and goods; and finally judgment about concrete acts yet to be performed or already performed. the truth about the moral good, stated in the law of reason, is recognized practically and concretely by the prudent judgment of conscience. We call that man prudent who chooses in conformity with this judgment.

1781 Conscience enables one to assume responsibility for the acts performed. If man commits evil, the just judgment of conscience can remain within him as the witness to the universal truth of the good, at the same time as the evil of his particular choice. the verdict of the judgment of conscience remains a pledge of hope and mercy. In attesting to the fault committed, it calls to mind the forgiveness that must be asked, the good that must still be practiced, and the virtue that must be constantly cultivated with the grace of God:

We shall . . . reassure our hearts before him whenever our hearts condemn us; for God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.52

1782 Man has the right to act in conscience and in freedom so as personally to make moral decisions. "He must not be forced to act contrary to his conscience. Nor must he be prevented from acting according to his conscience, especially in religious matters."53

II. The Formation of Conscience

1783 Conscience must be informed and moral judgment enlightened. A well-formed conscience is upright and truthful. It formulates its judgments according to reason, in conformity with the true good willed by the wisdom of the Creator. the education of conscience is indispensable for human beings who are subjected to negative influences and tempted by sin to prefer their own judgment and to reject authoritative teachings.

1784 The education of the conscience is a lifelong task. From the earliest years, it awakens the child to the knowledge and practice of the interior law recognized by conscience. Prudent education teaches virtue; it prevents or cures fear, selfishness and pride, resentment arising from guilt, and feelings of complacency, born of human weakness and faults. the education of the conscience guarantees freedom and engenders peace of heart.

1785 In the formation of conscience the Word of God is the light for our path,54 we must assimilate it in faith and prayer and put it into practice. We must also examine our conscience before the Lord’s Cross. We are assisted by the gifts of the Holy Spirit, aided by the witness or advice of others and guided by the authoritative teaching of the Church.55

III. To Choose in Accord With Conscience

1786 Faced with a moral choice, conscience can make either a right judgment in accordance with reason and the divine law or, on the contrary, an erroneous judgment that departs from them.

1787 Man is sometimes confronted by situations that make moral judgments less assured and decision difficult. But he must always seriously seek what is right and good and discern the will of God expressed in divine law.

1788 To this purpose, man strives to interpret the data of experience and the signs of the times assisted by the virtue of prudence, by the advice of competent people, and by the help of the Holy Spirit and his gifts.

1789 Some rules apply in every case:
  • One may never do evil so that good may result from it;
  • the Golden Rule: "Whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them."56
  • charity always proceeds by way of respect for one’s neighbor and his conscience: "Thus sinning against your brethren and wounding their conscience . . . you sin against Christ."57 Therefore "it is right not to . . . do anything that makes your brother stumble."58
 
I’m surprised that the scenario is so unintelligible.

Imagine that someone is rightly protecting himself. You don’t know that so it looks like he’s an attacker.

So we don’t really know so if we do anything, we are going to be using our best guess.
 
I’m surprised that the scenario is so unintelligible.

Imagine that someone is rightly protecting himself. You don’t know that so it looks like he’s an attacker.

So we don’t really know so if we do anything, we are going to be using our best guess.
One makes a judgment of conscience

For example…“it is right for me here and now to call 911 and let police sort it all out”.

So one calls.
 
Perhaps it’s too early in the morning and my coffee has not yet quickened my ability to detect wry humor. If that’s the case, please forgive my more serious reply…

With that caveat, I assume that by “30ties” you’re referring to adults who have surpassed the age of 29.

Beyond that, I suspect that your proposition, while possibly not entirely wrong, consists more of opinion than “principle.”

Having reached the terminal stage my third decade, and knowing many others at various points along that continuum, I’m extremely reluctant to agree that age, alone, should be the determining factor in any particular discernment process. Especially where life-altering choices must be made.

Wisdom, it may be hoped, does increase with age. Though the rate of increase varies among individuals.

Perhaps, I’m unwise in choosing to post this response… 😉

Peace
Please take another cup of coffee before reading this.
Second, you no meat no fish, You are in a state of limbo. You do not belong clearly to any side. So, it is up to you to choose your maturity.

C’monn, a kid 18 years old all prepared for the night with 3 just gorgeous girls around,comes to you and asks: “I am a little bit perplexed, should I?, should I not?”

Would you recommend to put the foot on the brakes or on the accelerator?

Now, comes the arthritic 80 years old guy and asks you: “My daughter invited me to Christmas, but I do not know whether they like old people, she insisted many times but well also my reumhatic!”

Would you recommend to put the foot on the brakes or on the accelerator?

That is a family joke and it is worth what is worth.
 
But even with a judgement of conscience, wouldn’t you be both wrong and too hasty in judging?
 
But even with a judgement of conscience, wouldn’t you be both wrong and too hasty in judging?
Why?

I see a fight.

Physical Fights are a public disorder in the least.

My conscience says “call the cops let them sort it out”.

So I do.

Of course…could it happen that I see someone yelling at each other…but no physical blows…do I call 911…maybe maybe not.

One makes a judgment.

If one guy pulls out a knife or a gun…I would leave the area and call right away.
 
Once I had an encounter with some “youths”…one said something that was in the area of a joke of if I do drugs…so I watched them after they passed me by…and I saw them have a interaction with another that made me suspect that drugs were being exchanged…but I did not really know for sure…so I called it in. Turns out they busted a young guy who was dealing. The Cops where overjoyed and it seems they made reference to it…in terms of pointing out how citizens need to be involved …

Now had I walked away and said…I do not have enough information to really say if they are doing something illegal…well he would have gone free and continued to sell drugs. Now he is in prison.

(my town is not really a place of drugs…it is not some intercity …so one would not think such was such…but I had enough to give em a call and have them check it out)
 
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