In times of indecision is it okay to make your best guess?

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Once I had an encounter with some “youths”…one said something that was in the area of a joke of if I do drugs…so I watched them after they passed me by…and I saw them have a interaction with another that made me suspect that drugs were being exchanged…but I did not really know for sure…so I called it in. Turns out they busted a young guy who was dealing. The Cops where overjoyed and it seems they made reference to it…in terms of pointing out how citizens need to be involved …

Now had I walked away and said…I do not have enough information to really say if they are doing something illegal…well he would have gone free and continued to sell drugs. Now he is in prison.

(my town is not really a place of drugs…it is not some intercity …so one would not think such was such…but I had enough to give em a call and have them check it out)
Back to your earlier question RE: “why?”: If someone is acting in self-defense but you don’t know if they are or aren’t simply by their actions, then would it not be imprudent of you to call police? If the answer is that it isn’t imprudent because there is a public disorder going on it both 1) only sets the question back a step -surely there has been times when someone was unsure about what to do, 2) it’s wrong that every public disturbance is wrong, so that calling the cops doesn’t follow from what you saw alone.

As for the quoted part above my post -clearly was that not imprudent to call the cops since you don’t actually have knowledge that could disprove that what they were doing wasn’t anything else -joking around for instance? I think it was if prudence really does imply “getting all possible knowledge about something”.
 
Fakename:

IMHO, you are conflating “prudence” with “being scared of making the wrong choice.” What you call “prudence” I call “cowardice.”

There are many people out there who basically can’t make decisions out of fear of making the wrong decision. This wreaks enormous pain on those around them, particularly those unfortunate enough to need to rely on them to make the right choices.

The example I see is potential jury members in crimimal cases who are never allowed on juries because they can’t ever decide that a criminal defendant is guilty. These jurors can’t decide if someone is guilty “beyond a reasonable doubt,” because the jurors demand even higher proof, i.e., beyond any shadow of doubt. Judges and lawyers try very hard to vet these folks off juries before a trial begins because once they are on the jury – and it happens – those few people basically can’t ever vote to convict a clearly-guilty defendant…and the defendant winds up going free (or the jury deadlocks and all parties spend countless $$ on a new trial).

Now, you write:

“If someone is acting in self-defense but you don’t know if they are or aren’t simply by their actions, then would it not be imprudent of you to call police? If the answer is that it isn’t imprudent because there is a public disorder going on it both 1) only sets the question back a step -surely there has been times when someone was unsure about what to do,”
–It’ IMHO NEVER “imprudent” to “call the police” when you see a fight going on. Never.

“2) it’s wrong that every public disturbance is wrong, so that calling the cops doesn’t follow from what you saw alone.”
–You have to deal with probabilies. MOST public disturbances are wrong. Such a “public disturbance” you posit is PROBABLY “wrong” at many levels. Err on the side of probabilities and call the police. So the fighters are joking? Joking which scares the public sufficiently that the police get called is still wrong.

"I think [the question] was if prudence really does imply “getting all possible knowledge about something”.
–No, since often there’s insufficient time to get all possible knowledge. I could define prudence as “erring on the side of caution, particularly in all matters involving public safety.” See a fight? Call police. The worse that happens is that there really was no fight; but the best that happens is you get a criminal off the street. Smell smoke? Look around for a fire and if doubtful call the fire department. Maybe there was no fire…but maybe you saved a life or someone’s house.

Remember what Edmund Burke wrote: The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
 
Back to your earlier question RE: “why?”: If someone is acting in self-defense but you don’t know if they are or aren’t simply by their actions, then would it not be imprudent of you to call police? If the answer is that it isn’t imprudent because there is a public disorder going on it both 1) only sets the question back a step -surely there has been times when someone was unsure about what to do, 2) it’s wrong that every public disturbance is wrong, so that calling the cops doesn’t follow from what you saw alone.

As for the quoted part above my post -clearly was that not imprudent to call the cops since you don’t actually have knowledge that could disprove that what they were doing wasn’t anything else -joking around for instance? I think it was if prudence really does imply “getting all possible knowledge about something”.
Look one has to make a judgment as to what to do when one sees a fight.

(And if one calls…one may want to do so after leaving the immediate area …and one may want to do it anonomously)

If there is a lot of laughing on both sides…or it is very short little “playing around” well that would not seem to be a fight. So no need to call the police. Sure.

But if you see a real fight break out (when one sees such one knows it)…one can just call the police. It is t*heir responsibility *to figure out who is attacking who and why.

One makes a judgment. To call or not to call.
 
"if prudence really does imply “getting all possible knowledge about something”.
Prudence does not mean “getting all possible knowledge about something”

Seeking such can be even “imprudent”.
 
Human virtues are acquired via only knowing about them…but via repeated good actions…

One may only have a certain degree of “prudence” at a given point in ones life…but via exercising what one has etc…via experience and a good life and counsel…it can increase and increase. Where it becomes “second nature” --connatural.

Sort of like playing the piano.

(not that I play…I can not even sing in key…so my wife tells me)

Conscience must be “formed” via the Teachings of the Church etc …and that too can take some time and experience (as well as reasonable study!)
 
In the event that there is a fight going on and it looks to you like someone is being attacked.
Yes call 911. It is their job - but do you leave it at that?
If it is in your power to step in you may be able to disrupt the fight! once disrupted it is normally possible to sort out the rights & wrongs after the fact.
but Calling the police & shouting that you’ve done it is often enough to draw the attention of fighters & make a guilty party run for the hills.

Example: I’m driving through a deprived area.
I see an old man being attacked by 2 young men. They steal a mobile phone & run off. He shouts “Help Help”
I follow the 2 men in my car, & Call the police. advising where they are going. - I see that other people are checking that the old man is OK. The Police cant be bothered to attend quickly so the offenders get away, by going where the car cant.

I did my best to help.

Example2
I see the same situation but I’m on foot & have a baseball bat in my hands… do I use it as a weapon? - Of course not. you don’t respond to the theft of a $100 phone with potentially lethal force.

If you can disrupt potentially violent behaviour - especially when there is a person (rather than property) on the recieving end of that violence - it is our duty to do what we reasonably can to help… but using the minimum of force - you never know all the facts 7 dont want to use lethal force
 
What does prudence imply then regarding how much knowledge to get?

after all, there are many times in life where you would never do what you would’ve done had you realized the unforseen consequences of your actions (as history and economics prove).

So it seems prudent that to minimize your mistakes or misjudgments, one must find all possible knowledge. Perhaps not to the exclusion of other things but nonetheless, to seek to see all the angles of things seems to be the most prudent decision.

Either way though, I suspect that you’ll regret acting or not acting equally.

since we are like socrates -all we know is that we don’t know, we’re always beginners in the trials of life.
 
So it seems prudent that to minimize your mistakes or misjudgments, one must find all possible knowledge.
It may seem that way…but it can be contrary to prudence even think one must find “all possible knowledge”…

Can it be prudent to seek more knowledge than on has regarding something?

Yes of course.

Prudence though is not all about knowledge …it is a practical virtue…like the virtue of art… not a speculative virtue.
 
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