In what way will abortion end in America?

[aball1035]

Abortion has to end somehow and I’m thinking of the possibilities in which it might.

A. Either Roe v Wade gets overturned
B. America gets conquered by another nation who will end it
C. America breaks down into separate countries who will in turn end it
D. Jesus comes again, ending it that way

If you come up with any other possibilities, please let me know

 

[vera_dicere]

Even if Roe overturns, from what I understand of teh American legal system, the individual States would then determine their abortion laws. Abortion was legal in New York pre-Roe.

I can’t quite see America getting conquered in the short term, unless its by China, who have the means and the might to do it. Of course, with their abortion policy chances are aboriton will get more liberalised, and probably forced on women.

To ban abortion, I think we need to see that as the long term goal, in the short term we need to educate teh public as to foetal development, and assist people to see the humanity of teh unborn child, making it more difficult or less acceptable to kill the child. With that said, we also need to ensure women have real options open to them, ease of child care, fiscal help where needed and as less interuption to their lives as possible, so laws that protect vulnerable women in teh work place and assist girls adn women in pursuing an education.

Also, make abortion morally repugnant and completely unacceptable, as bad as it is, basically guilt women out of making that choice.

If we remove the reasons or the preceived “needs” for aboriton, eventually abortions will decline, and then when say abortions are at a slim level, Roe can be over turned, either by a Pro-Life SCOUS or by referendum, as society then will see abortion as most of us do, a grevious act of murder.

 

[Jermosh]

Only D will end it.

 

[callmecharles]

Don’t forget E. A constitutional amendment that bans abortion. It’s pretty unlikely, but not impossible.

We live in a good time now, and it’s pretty hard to imagine the ironclad United States government fading away. But governments rise and fall over time. Fortunately the world’s gotten more peaceful in recent centuries, but I could still envision C occurring in several hundred years.

The more time that elapses past Roe, the more this ‘right’ gets ingrained within America’s national identity. I’m pessimistic, to be honest. D seems most likely, with A being slightly more likely than C. Keep in mind even one of the judges Bush appointed thought of Roe V. Wade as ‘settled law’.

 

[aball1035]

Don’t forget E. A constitutional amendment that bans abortion. It’s pretty unlikely, but not impossible.

We live in a good time now, and it’s pretty hard to imagine the ironclad United States government fading away. But governments rise and fall over time. Fortunately the world’s gotten more peaceful in recent centuries, but I could still envision C occurring in several hundred years.

The more time that elapses past Roe, the more this ‘right’ gets ingrained within America’s national identity. I’m pessimistic, to be honest. D seems most likely, with A being slightly more likely than C. Keep in mind even one of the judges Bush appointed thought of Roe V. Wade as ‘settled law’.

How has the world gotten more peaceful? The past 100 years have produced 2 massive world wars, upheaval and unrest in Africa, and multiple communist governments. Not to mention the devestation in vocations after Vatican II

 

[prodigalson12]

Mary played the biggest role in conversion and ended human sacrifice with the Aztecs, we in America are doing far worse, and I feel her presence is going to be required in a huge way to end it here. Sadly, people are so hardened of heart, it’s going to take something huge to jolt them into being receptive to her, and likely, it’s going to be some huge natural disaster.

Not sure how accurate this chart is, but if it’s true, we are in for a great deal of tribulation:

http://www.believershomepage.com/earthq11.gif

 

[callmecharles]

How has the world gotten more peaceful? The past 100 years have produced 2 massive world wars, upheaval and unrest in Africa, and multiple communist governments. Not to mention the devestation in vocations after Vatican II

That is a good point. What I meant was I have a hard time seeing the government collapsing anytime soon. Though your examples are quickly causing me to question my logic. Nice work on that. :sad_yes:

 

[aball1035]

What I meant was I have a hard time seeing the government collapsing anytime soon.:

Me too. In my opinion, it’s all heading towards the infamous “one world government”

 

[hansard]

Interesting that some of you are banking on (D) the return of Jesus, as the most likely way abortion will be ended in America.
Look, I realise this is a matter of faith, but the return of Christ is an illogical prospect–a hypothetical, supernatural event which, while tantalising in its possibilities, could be tomorrow or another 2000 years away.
I think we’re supposed to fix this evil ourselves, and the only way to do that is through legislation. If we’re going to wait for the second coming to fix this, we may as well put all sickness, war, hatred, pain and suffering in with it, and just…wait.

 

[JRKH]

Interesting that some of you are banking on (D) the return of Jesus, as the most likely way abortion will be ended in America.
Look, I realise this is a matter of faith, but the return of Christ is an illogical prospect–a hypothetical, supernatural event which, while tantalising in its possibilities, could be tomorrow or another 2000 years away.

I cannot believe I just heard this from a Catholic.

I think we’re supposed to fix this evil ourselves, and the only way to do that is through legislation. If we’re going to wait for the second coming to fix this, we may as well put all sickness, war, hatred, pain and suffering in with it, and just…wait.

Legislation will not end abortion any more than it will end war or hatred. Look, it is illegal to commit a “hate crime” and yet Hate crimes still occur. Legislation cannot end a sickness and abortion, like hate, is a sickness.
Legislation can reduce the number of abortions. It will change the way in which abortions occur, but it will no and cannot end them. Abortions occurred before Roe v Wade and abortions would occur should Roe v Wade be overturned.

The only thing that will “end Abortion”, short of the second coming, is conversion. The conversion of the public away from the culture of death and selfichness and irresponsibility that allows it to accept this holocaust. Unfortunately we cannot expect 100 percent conversion and so we ppor humans cannot completely erradicate abortion by means of either legislation or conversion. Thus the answer to the OP question is that, the ONLY way that abortion can be completely eradicated is by the second coming of our Dear Lord, may it occur soon.

Peace
James

 

[JRKH]

Abortion has to end somehow and I’m thinking of the possibilities in which it might.

A. Either Roe v Wade gets overturned
B. America gets conquered by another nation who will end it
C. America breaks down into separate countries who will in turn end it
D. Jesus comes again, ending it that way

If you come up with any other possibilities, please let me know

As I said in the posting above, We, as humans have no chance to “end abortion”. Only God will be able to end this evil and that will only occur when ALL evil is ended.

**However - For a Choice “E”, I submit “conversion”. **

It is only by the conversion of people away from the irriesponsible, self centered, culture of death that we will be able to reduce the number of abortions, pass legislation that will stand up in court, and provide the necessary services and resources to help those women and children who need help.
Short of Christ’s Second coming, I see the conversion of society (which means the conversion of enough individuals) as the only sure way to significantly reduce abortions.

Peace
James

 

[Lypher]

A. Either Roe v Wade gets overturned

This will not end it, a significant number yes, but as one posting pointed out then States rights would kick in and some states would probably advertise it. It may cause significant shifts in populations as people move to states that believe the way they do. This could hasten C.

B. America gets conquered by another nation who will end it

This won’t happen for some time. The military power of our conventional forces could significantly drop and still no one would attack due to our Nuclear deterrent. The collapse of the former Soviet Union is a good example.

C. America breaks down into separate countries who will in turn end it

This will end America, but again it would be determined by new boundaries. I would say that many people would be unable to get one as transportation networks collapse.

D. Jesus comes again, ending it that way

Yes, but another poster pointed out that we are supposed to fix this and I agree.

I tend to think that we will see the following.

When medical science can mark the moment of the awareness of pain in a fetus. Coming soon. This will likely be extremely early in development and stop many abortions.

When artificial wombs are available it will do two things.

1. End the argument that the women should decide since the embryo/fetus can be moved. (Very Good)
2. End the need for marriage and allow man to grow other men from conception. (Bad)
   “The above will be the next big battle since their will likely be additions to DNA to make something that is not really a man, but almost and some will want to enslave it, or harvest its organs, man is pathetic in his pursuit of power, greed, and willingness to hurt or deny others for themselves”

A need for humans which requires MANY human beings to the point that it is just foolish to allow abortions. Space exploration outside of the limits of the Solar system will require an almost endless number of souls.

 

[puzzleannie]

If you come up with any other possibilities, please let me know

a) God will rain down punishment on all modern nations who condone and pay for abortions and all legalized murder of their own citizens.
b) We know Jesus will judge the nations on this and the punishment will be inflicted for all eternity on their complicit citizens because Matthew’s gosple makes this promise
c) my preferred scenario, when the entire truth about abortion is made known, graphically as well as statistically, as the scenes from liberated Nazi concentration camps showed those horrors, honest citizens will react with similar disgust and end the de facto genocide that is abortion in practice in this country
d) the work of God, again, conversion of minds and hearts will occur when all Catholics and other Christians embrace the gospel fully and adhere to Christ’s commandments on love, life, marriage and family, and their example will convert this country and the world.

As long as Christians ignore the will of God regarding marriage, family, children, sexuality and all issues touching on their part in creation, the entire society and culture will be defective.

 

[hansard]

Well, JRKH, is it logical or illogical to believe in the return of Christ? Bear in mind, of course, that most people in the world don’t believe in Christ–never will and never did.
As I said, it’s a matter of faith. I believe it; you clearly believe it; yet there’s nothing logical about it at all. As I also said, it is a supernatural event (I probably could have omitted “hypothetical”–my bad), and therefore defies all logic because of its supernaturality.
I’d have a hard time convincing anyone of its likelihood.

But this probably detracts from the thread.

I go for (A) to legally end wilful abortion in America (whilst realising that there are many ways to abort a fetus, legally and illegally).

 

[chain]

Abortion rates will rise or fall based on public opinion of abortion, chastity, and contraception. I honestly can imagine universal contraception thanks to the new health care initiative at some point - which could decrease abortions while being perhaps even worse.

That said, people have sinned since the beginning of time - and probably have aborted since then as well. The end of abortion will require the second coming (or the end of humanity as we know it).

 

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[Rence]

When artificial wombs are available it will do two things.

1. End the argument that the women should decide since the embryo/fetus can be moved. (Very Good)
2. End the need for marriage and allow man to grow other men from conception. (Bad)
   “The above will be the next big battle since their will likely be additions to DNA to make something that is not really a man, but almost and some will want to enslave it, or harvest its organs, man is pathetic in his pursuit of power, greed, and willingness to hurt or deny others for themselves”
   .

The use of artificial wombs will never be allowed in the Church. They won’t even allow frozen embryos be “saved” by being implanted in women who would gladly have them. In the secular arena, who knows?

 

[Albert_Nygren]

Abortion rates will rise or fall based on public opinion of abortion, chastity, and contraception. I honestly can imagine universal contraception thanks to the new health care initiative at some point - which could decrease abortions while being perhaps even worse.

That said, people have sinned since the beginning of time - and probably have aborted since then as well. The end of abortion will require the second coming (or the end of humanity as we know it).

To chain. I agree with you that abortion will not end until Jesus returns. I base this on 2 facts. The first is that Jesus in Matthew Chapter 24 states that His 2nd coming will be when things get so bad that, “If I didn’t come, everyone on earth would die.” The 2nd fact is that during my 67 years on earth, I have observed that crime, sin, and immorality have gotten worse during the past 50 years.

If we human beings have been unable to even keep immorality from getting worse, much less reducing immorality, I don’t know why we should be successful at improving things in the future.

Regarding the potential of universal contraception to reduce the number of abortions due to fewer unwanted pregnancies, I don’t see it happening. As a Registered Nurse I can say that there is no method of contraception that is very successful. Birth Control pills are the most effective but taking any kind of antibiotic can render them completely ineffective. Condoms are only 86% effective.

The youth in our country seem to be extremely ignorant about birth control, partially because it seems that Planned Parenthood actually wants them to get pregnant. Why else would they encourage having promiscuous sex with an ineffective (condoms) method of birth control.

The good news is that God is in charge, no matter how things look on the surface and that Jesus will come again and set all things right when He does.

 

[vera_dicere]

I cannot believe I just heard this from a Catholic.

Legislation will not end abortion any more than it will end war or hatred. Look, it is illegal to commit a “hate crime” and yet Hate crimes still occur. Legislation cannot end a sickness and abortion, like hate, is a sickness.
Legislation can reduce the number of abortions. It will change the way in which abortions occur, but it will no and cannot end them. Abortions occurred before Roe v Wade and abortions would occur should Roe v Wade be overturned.

You’re right, on all counts.

But the amount of women I’ve met who’ve said “well, abortion must be okay since its legal”.

Banning abortion, or seriously restricting it will save lives, it won’t save all of them, but there are some women who are so calloused in their hearts that they will find away around the laws.

And long and short of it, I’m pro-life, and I found instruction in books in the public library as to how to do safe abortions, without the traditional medical equipment. Human society has had abortion as long as its’ had an awareness of pregnancy.

But despite all that, wouldn’t it be worth a try? We sit here and quibble over banning or not banning while 4,000+ children will die today in clinics at the hands of abortionists. Or we ban abortion and say only 500 abortions happen daily?

1.2 million a year. Surely we have to do something to bring that down. Contraception and “sex ed” hasn’t done it.

 

[JRKH]

You’re right, on all counts.

But the amount of women I’ve met who’ve said “well, abortion must be okay since its legal”.

Banning abortion, or seriously restricting it will save lives, it won’t save all of them, but there are some women who are so calloused in their hearts that they will find away around the laws.

And long and short of it, I’m pro-life, and I found instruction in books in the public library as to how to do safe abortions, without the traditional medical equipment. Human society has had abortion as long as its’ had an awareness of pregnancy.

But despite all that, wouldn’t it be worth a try? We sit here and quibble over banning or not banning while 4,000+ children will die today in clinics at the hands of abortionists. Or we ban abortion and say only 500 abortions happen daily?

1.2 million a year. Surely we have to do something to bring that down. Contraception and “sex ed” hasn’t done it.

You make many good points. Just to be clear, I am not against legislation making abortion illegal. I am in favor of it.
However, the only way we can achieve such legisation is through conversion. There must be a sufficiant majority to overcome, not just resistance to such laws, but also to overcome court challenges.
Such conversion will also lessen the need for a change in the law since abortions will naturally fall due to a change in peoples convictions.

Without conversions to pro-life attitudes and consequent changes in sexual morals, all abortion legislation will do is increase the number of unwanted children and place a heavier burden child and family services everywhere.

Do you see what I am driving at? Abortion is horrible, but it is just one component of a larger societal problem. A problem that must be addressed comprehensively and with an eye toward the real goal which should be everyones salvation.

Of course the OP asked about "ending abortions and that is the question I have tired to answer.

Peace
James