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Lypher
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I am nut sure if your point on conversion is directed toward others or Catholics? If we could “Convert” Catholics to the ills of Contraception then is just a few generations we could CHANGE the US laws… Those that are predisposed to vote Pro Death are killing themselves off. Yasser Arafat actually had a VERY good recommendation for the overtaking of the Jews in Isreal… and that is the womb. If our Catholic brethren would have large families while the rest of the country has small families we would overcome MANY obstacles of change.
Again it really is up to Catholic if we want to make this a good country…we can do it through God’s commandment be fruitful and multiply.
I agree, but I do not think that the answer is necessarily conversion of non Catholics.
God Bless You…
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aball1035
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Good point, but even most Catholics today don’t wouldn’t want to do that!
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Albert_Nygren
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If Congress passes a bill and it is signed into law by the President, declaring that a human being is a “person” from the time of conception, then the unborn baby would have all the rights of a “person” under the constitution. It could not be killed except if judged guilty of a capitol crime by a jury of his/her peers.Abortion has to end somehowand I’m thinking of the possibilities in which it might.
A. Either Roe v Wade gets overturned
B. America gets conquered by another nation who will end it
C. America breaks down into separate countries who will in turn end it
D. Jesus comes again, ending it that way
If you come up with any other possibilities, please let me know
One of the Supreme Court judges wrote this when Roe V. Wade was decided. He said that the issue of abortion should never have come before the Supreme Court if Congress had been doing their job; that if the human being from conception was legally declaired a person, no one would be able to legally harm it.
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vera_dicere
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Am I the only one with the image of a jury full of foetuses mulling over the facts against the defendant foetus?
It’d be kinda cute.
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JRKH
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My use of the term conversion is not necessarily in a religious sense. When I speak of conversion here I am refering to being converted from a pro-choice or pro-abortion stance to a Pro-life stance. Whether that involves a religious conversion or not is another matter.
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bullfrogsrules
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my ref but i have many sites
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TenBobNote
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The most likely scenario is that states rights will be made legal again. Your option C states that America would separate into different countries, ummm…Abortion has to end somehow
A. Either Roe v Wade gets overturned
B. America gets conquered by another nation who will end it
C. America breaks down into separate countries who will in turn end it
D. Jesus comes again, ending it that way
If you come up with any other possibilities, please let me know
The United States are just that, they are a collection of states who formed a federal government to ensure that the citizen’s God given rights are protected and not to be inhibited by the separate states. The 10th amendment of The Constitution will tell you that “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
We already have the law, we just need to enforce it.
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Mimi
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**Yes, conversion of heart is what works! We know this. Many who see the beauty of the unborn PERSON, his/her HUMANITY have changed their opinion on abortion, like former PP director, Abby Johnson.
The 4-D videos of pre-born babies are amazing! I wish I could have a small portable dvd player with just one minute or so of an 8 to 10 wk old child-in-the-womb to have handy for sidewalk counseling. I have not done a lot of that (except for praying) and I think if we could provide this kind of education for our young ppl, they would keep these images in mind when they are old enough to pro-create.
I imagine, some day, giant billboards with these videos for all to see in many places. Or even smaller ones in prominent places, like craft fairs, malls, at church dinners, just everywhere you can think of to show one.
So many ppl are aching to adopt, too! Why make it difficult for those who would make excelent parents? Just today, I got a call about a local 17 yr old, pregnant with twins (!) is being pressured by the father to abort. I am praying for her and wrote her a note to please consider adoption!
And here’s a web site you forum participants may want to bookmark:
ignoreroe.com
This is the direction some states are taking. Murder can never be LEGAL. Christians must step up to get ppl to realize abortion is murder.**
(Typed this in bold for ease of reading. The gray background is tough on the eyes after a while, at least for me.)
God bless,
Mimi
The 4-D videos of pre-born babies are amazing! I wish I could have a small portable dvd player with just one minute or so of an 8 to 10 wk old child-in-the-womb to have handy for sidewalk counseling. I have not done a lot of that (except for praying) and I think if we could provide this kind of education for our young ppl, they would keep these images in mind when they are old enough to pro-create.
I imagine, some day, giant billboards with these videos for all to see in many places. Or even smaller ones in prominent places, like craft fairs, malls, at church dinners, just everywhere you can think of to show one.
So many ppl are aching to adopt, too! Why make it difficult for those who would make excelent parents? Just today, I got a call about a local 17 yr old, pregnant with twins (!) is being pressured by the father to abort. I am praying for her and wrote her a note to please consider adoption!
And here’s a web site you forum participants may want to bookmark:
ignoreroe.com
This is the direction some states are taking. Murder can never be LEGAL. Christians must step up to get ppl to realize abortion is murder.**
(Typed this in bold for ease of reading. The gray background is tough on the eyes after a while, at least for me.)
God bless,
Mimi
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Mimi
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This does look like an interesting and helpful web site, but you must pay for access (subscription).Check out an interesting article on www.culturegauge.com concerning abortion and the media. Its so important to see where your money goes when you donate to charity. The culture/media tries to sugar coat everything and make us believe whatever they say!
check it out, let me know any thoughts!!! awesome website by the way!
Mimi
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Redratfish
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To those saying that only Jesus’ second coming will end abortion, I at least hope you are wrong. For the first time since the passage of Roe v. Wade, more Americans are against abortion than for it. Even by a slim majority, it is interesting. There is still hope for conversion as some people put it
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JRKH
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There is a difference that must be recognized between Law and action. Even if the Law is changed making abortion illegal, it will not “end abortion” it will only end “legal abortion”. Many babies will be saved by such a change in the law, but it will not “end abortion”. Abortions were performed illegally before Roe v Wade and would be performed illegally after a change in the law.
The only thing that will end abortion, along with all other evils, is Christ’s second coming.
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chain
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Ending abortion will not happen in a world that still has the effect of original sin. Lets face it, almost 100% of people are apposed to murdering a spouse. The laws are about as strict as possible. Yet domestic violence, to the point of kill a spouse still exists.
The best we can do is to try - we are called to action, success is up to God.
The best we can do is to try - we are called to action, success is up to God.
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Albert_Nygren
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If we want legal abortion to end in this country we must vote for the candidate who promises a return to Judeo-Christian morals and laws based on those morals. People have been voting for the candidate who promises them the most benefits. We will see in November if people have had a change of heart and vote pro abortion candidates out of office.
To the person who said that even if abortion was illegal, that there would still be abortions, just that they would be illegal. That was one of the pro abortion arguments before Roe V. Wade. The people wanting legal abortion said that women were having them anyway but if they were legal, they would be done by doctors.
Maybe there were a hundred illegal abortions a year before Roe V. Wade; afterward there were a million a year. Better a hundred illegal murders of children a year in the womb than a million!
It would be great if abortions would be made illegal before Jesus returns but thank God that He has promised to return! In Matthew chapter 24 Jesus said that before He returned that things would get so bad that if He didn’t return, everyone on earth would die! He said this so that we would not get discouraged by current events. We must work for the best but trust God when it looks like we are failing, God will not fail.
To the person who said that even if abortion was illegal, that there would still be abortions, just that they would be illegal. That was one of the pro abortion arguments before Roe V. Wade. The people wanting legal abortion said that women were having them anyway but if they were legal, they would be done by doctors.
Maybe there were a hundred illegal abortions a year before Roe V. Wade; afterward there were a million a year. Better a hundred illegal murders of children a year in the womb than a million!
It would be great if abortions would be made illegal before Jesus returns but thank God that He has promised to return! In Matthew chapter 24 Jesus said that before He returned that things would get so bad that if He didn’t return, everyone on earth would die! He said this so that we would not get discouraged by current events. We must work for the best but trust God when it looks like we are failing, God will not fail.
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Elizabeth502
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Abortion existed even in ancient times, just as crude contraception existed in ancient times. Anyone who lacked the moral code which prohibited that, was a likely candidate for aborting an unwanted pregnancy if the motivation was strong enough. To seriously reduce abortions of any kind “in America” would depend on a drastic reduction in out-of-wedlock pregnancies (in this country, the highest motivation for abortion). Abortions do exist among the married, but at a much smaller proportion, at least in this country.
The frequency of cohabitation is huge in this country. It is even emulated (seems to be The Standard) among celebrities. Stars just reproduce like rabbits when they feel like it, dispense with legalities, and/or get married much later “so their children won’t feel embarrassed.” But the vast majority of those Americans cohabitating and reproducing feel no particular shame about it, apparently. It boggles my mind.
Surgical abortions will reduce when one or several of these happens:
(1) couples start re-envisioning parenting as an extension of a legitimate couple’s covenantal relationship that is its natural reference point.
(2) living together goes out of fashion
(3) teen and later-adolescent girls (college age and later single girls) begin resisting the unwanted pressure to have sex that has recently been revealed in a survey of that age.
(4) earlier chemical abortions are chosen over later surgical abortions
(5) the forces of immorality succumb to the forces of morality.
As long as chemical abortions remain an option, and/or as long as societal mores remain about constant, the “end to abortion in America” is not on the horizon during the lifetimes of any contributors to this forum. Judicial decisions will not end it. Voting a particular candidate into a particular office will not end it, because the will of the majority to end it entirely is not there. Nor will statements from clergy, including ominous and threatening statements, end it. Most of the country is not subject to the statements from religious figures. We are neither a politically totalitarian country nor a religiously totalitarian country. Until we are, abortion will not “end” in America.
The frequency of cohabitation is huge in this country. It is even emulated (seems to be The Standard) among celebrities. Stars just reproduce like rabbits when they feel like it, dispense with legalities, and/or get married much later “so their children won’t feel embarrassed.” But the vast majority of those Americans cohabitating and reproducing feel no particular shame about it, apparently. It boggles my mind.
Surgical abortions will reduce when one or several of these happens:
(1) couples start re-envisioning parenting as an extension of a legitimate couple’s covenantal relationship that is its natural reference point.
(2) living together goes out of fashion
(3) teen and later-adolescent girls (college age and later single girls) begin resisting the unwanted pressure to have sex that has recently been revealed in a survey of that age.
(4) earlier chemical abortions are chosen over later surgical abortions
(5) the forces of immorality succumb to the forces of morality.
As long as chemical abortions remain an option, and/or as long as societal mores remain about constant, the “end to abortion in America” is not on the horizon during the lifetimes of any contributors to this forum. Judicial decisions will not end it. Voting a particular candidate into a particular office will not end it, because the will of the majority to end it entirely is not there. Nor will statements from clergy, including ominous and threatening statements, end it. Most of the country is not subject to the statements from religious figures. We are neither a politically totalitarian country nor a religiously totalitarian country. Until we are, abortion will not “end” in America.
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prodigalson12
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God always sends his prophets first before he steps in himself, he’s doing so now, yet they are being ignored. Trust me in this one, if we keep remaining unrepentant as a race of human beings, he’s going to step down to us and bring his wrath right along with, we have a very, very short time until he does so. Take action while you can, even if it means laying your life down for the cause, do so and mankind will not have to face it, remain luke warm, “ALL OF US”, and expect to face it head on.
God have mercy on us all!!!
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JRKH
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All of what you say above is true, but remember that the title of this thread asks when will abortion end, not when will legal abortion end.
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Albert_Nygren
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Technically, I stand corrected. If the question is limited to when abortion will end, legal or otherwise, then abortion will end when Jesus returns and not before. I had talked about how we and the Holy Spirit could bring about the end to legal abortion because this would greatly reduce the number of abortions and I believe that with sufficient will, legal abortions could be stopped before Jesus return; wouldn’t that be a good thing?
As an aside, even though what I say does not respond directly to the thread; If Catholics want to end “legal” abortion, we must stop voting for Democrats. I know that Democrats seem to agree with the “social justice” concern of the Church, but what greater social justice issue is there than the legal murder of babies while they are still in their mother’s wombs. It is the Democrats that perpetuate legal abortion in the country. Obama has just nominated his 2nd pro abortion Justice to the Supreme Court.
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chain
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I disagree. It is used as a tool when convenient. More often than not it is twisted into something their agenda - which effects social justice little. Unfortunately not only the politicians are doing it, we have plenty of religious who are doing the same thing.
I was very disappointed 2 or so weeks ago when I listened to a speech about the USCCB’s position on immigration. The narrator described the position - one of compassion and fair immigration laws that included some previsions normalizing the status of some immigrants while recognizing that unlimited immigration is not possible and limits must be set and enforced. Then the narrator ignored all the other parts he did not like and focused on amnesty for the rest of the .5 hour.
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