Inappropriate books for Children to read?

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That brings back memories. My parents wanted me to be deeply rooted in Catholicism. All sarcasm aside, they did a great job… until I actually started learning something. No amount of religious roots can come close to matching the real world. Let’s just hope that she’s optimistic, though. That’s a good quality to have regardless of religion. 🙂
And did you turn out alright? If you then, then maybe you had enough of a base to weather any attacks on your faith when you finally were exposed to the real world. And if you didn’t, then maybe a stronger base would have changed that.
 
Are you talking about from YOUR perspective or from a ten-year old’s perspective?

When I was that age, we read stories which re-enforced Catholic values by focusing on the positives and not on the negatives.
I agree, this sounds more like a book for a teenager not a 10 year old. I would suggest “My Side of the Mountain” as a good substitute. That’s a book about a boy living off the land in the wild, but not at all depressing. This “Hatchett” sounds too depressing for a 10 year old. When I was 10, I liked the “Little House” books and books by Elizabeth Enright, about functional families and about growing up inside a family with siblings.
 
I don’t understand exposing a child to sin so that he may know how to understand sin. I would never let my children look at porn while I am in the room so that they will know how to deal with porn once I am not around. There are plenty of good books out their. Why not find a book where the child struggles and turns to GOD to help him. What really does the book bring to the table as far as education? If all it teaches is what NOT to do then it isn’t worthy of you attention. Try Bethlehem Books.
 
My soon to be 5th grade daughter was given her summer reading assignments and one of the books on the list is “Hatchet” by Gary Paulsen.

The book is about a boy of divorced parents; who saw his mother kissing another man; does not believe in God; and does not know how to pray; consider suicide; survives in the wilderness not based on his faith or what his parents taught him or what his school has taught him but from what he watched on TV.

I, personally, do not think that this an appropriate book for 10-year old to be reading in a Catholic grammar school? I feel that there is enough negative influence in our children’s lives and something which stressed Catholic / Christian values would have been more appropriate.

I would be interested in the opinions of other folks here and if this should be brought up with the Principal or Pastor?
My son read this book during 5th grade (he was 11) and liked it quite a bit. He is a good, faithful Catholic boy who saw this book just as an adventure story of how a kid could survive on his own. He also read “My Side of the Mountain” and was more upset with the main character running away for ‘fun’ than he was with anything the adults in “Hatchet” were doing.

I wouldn’t be concerned about discussing this with the school unless there wasn’t any other options on the list. And I would be more concerned about them giving girls a book they might enjoy more.
 
My son read this book during 5th grade (he was 11) and liked it quite a bit. He is a good, faithful Catholic boy who saw this book just as an adventure story of how a kid could survive on his own. He also read “My Side of the Mountain” and was more upset with the main character running away for ‘fun’ than he was with anything the adults in “Hatchet” were doing.

I wouldn’t be concerned about discussing this with the school unless there wasn’t any other options on the list. And I would be more concerned about them giving girls a book they might enjoy more.
I have already mentioned how my grandson likewise enjoyed the book. A voracious reader, he also read and enjoyed Call of the Wild.
As with Call of the Wild, most 4th and 5th graders who I know read Hatchet saw it as just a good adventure story about a how a kid could survive on his own.
A Catholic education teaches a child to think for himself. He can reason before receiving his First Communion.
The OP is concerned about the story’s setting. The main character has already suffered loss. His parents are divorced, something to which many of today’s children can relate. He is alone and needs to reach inside himself to find the courage to persevere and overcome despair.
Was there concern about the amount of blood in Sunday’s readings?
I can think of the stories that I was required to read at that age. Isn’t there more violence in a story about ants devouring everything in their path?
My own parents never censored the books I read. The only time I censored what my daughter read was between 2nd and 3rd grade. She read the Hobbit and I knew that she was not emotionally ready for the rest of the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
When we trust our children, they will be more open in discussing what they read. As another poster stated, areas of concern can be brought into the open. This will help them develop those higher order thinking skills necessary in their future.
I always enjoyed the adventure stories myself. I did not especially like Edgar Allen Poe stories included even in 4th grade readers.
 
And did you turn out alright? If you then, then maybe you had enough of a base to weather any attacks on your faith when you finally were exposed to the real world. And if you didn’t, then maybe a stronger base would have changed that.
That’s kind of the problem. I did want to be a better Catholic and I certainly did defend my faith-- even now, I still have a soft spot for good ol’ Catholicism. But, therein lies the problem of wanting to be closer to my old imaginary friend; I started to read the Bible. :eek: Originally, that’s a good thing, but once you get to a certain chapter, you start to learn very frightening things. That’s when the questioning starts.

If you didn’t see profile, it says “Agnostic”. Thankfully, it was a steady transition; nothing traumatic. 🙂

I think the bottom line of my argument is to be very careful not to smother. It generally doesn’t play out very well.

Ironically Yours. ❤️
 
That’s kind of the problem. I did want to be a better Catholic and I certainly did defend my faith-- even now, I still have a soft spot for good ol’ Catholicism. But, therein lies the problem of wanting to be closer to my old imaginary friend; I started to read the Bible. :eek: Originally, that’s a good thing, but once you get to a certain chapter, you start to learn very frightening things. That’s when the questioning starts.

If you didn’t see profile, it says “Agnostic”. Thankfully, it was a steady transition; nothing traumatic. 🙂

I think the bottom line of my argument is to be very careful not to smother. It generally doesn’t play out very well.

Ironically Yours. ❤️
I don’t want to take this off thread off track.
Questioning your faith is not a necessarily a bad thing. Many of the great saints did exactly that. Questioning can actually lead to deeper investigation of what the Church really teaches.
I don’t know which chapter in the Bible caused problems for you, and I don’t expect you to answer that.
I have read the Bible several times from start to finish using the one year three chapter a day and five on Sunday format. A different recommendation is to read both the OT and NT simultaneous using the same 3 chapter a day format.
One of the most freeing statements I heard came from the orientation to the Theology class I never took. Often you hear people say you will find the answer when you read the Bible. “Don’t look for the answers. Look for the questions.”

Sr.Sally–The True Confessions of Charlotte Doyle is a Newbery Honor book in which the thirteen year old heroine faces the gallows for murder on the high seas.

In the The Bronze Bow, the 1962 Newbery Medal winner, Daniel bar Jamin seeks vengeance against the Romans who crucified his parents. As a runaway slave he joins the “brutal raids of the outlaw band living in the hills outside his village” (inside cover description).
 
If you didn’t see profile, it says “Agnostic”. Thankfully, it was a steady transition; nothing traumatic. 🙂
I saw. Which is why I asked the question the way that I did – if you would have been exposed to a more solid base, then perhaps you wouldn’t have doubts about the faith.
I think the bottom line of my argument is to be very careful not to smother. It generally doesn’t play out very well.
It isn’t a matter of smothering but allowing time for the roots of the faith to be firmly planted. Even Jesus warned about this in one of His parables – the seeds which fell on good soil and were given time to take root, grew and brought forth much fruit. The seed that fell on good soil but was trampled on by the enemy before it could take root did not bring forth any fruit.
 
I wouldn’t be concerned about discussing this with the school unless there wasn’t any other options on the list. And I would be more concerned about them giving girls a book they might enjoy more.
There are no other options – everything on the list needs to be read.
 
I agree, this sounds more like a book for a teenager not a 10 year old. I would suggest “My Side of the Mountain” as a good substitute. That’s a book about a boy living off the land in the wild, but not at all depressing. This “Hatchett” sounds too depressing for a 10 year old. When I was 10, I liked the “Little House” books and books by Elizabeth Enright, about functional families and about growing up inside a family with siblings.
I don’t understand exposing a child to sin so that he may know how to understand sin. I would never let my children look at porn while I am in the room so that they will know how to deal with porn once I am not around. There are plenty of good books out their. Why not find a book where the child struggles and turns to GOD to help him. What really does the book bring to the table as far as education? If all it teaches is what NOT to do then it isn’t worthy of you attention. Try Bethlehem Books.
Thank you for your support in this matter. Unfortunately, I can not TRY something else because this is REQUIRED reading for them over the summer.
 
There are no other options – everything on the list needs to be read.
So what are the other books? Can you share the whole list?

I am a firm believer in discussing whatever my children are reading. Since she will be reading these over the summer, can you read along with her (or your wife) so that you can discuss as she goes along? I have not read Hatchet, but I often read along with my children–or suggest books I enjoyed as a child (like “My Side of the Mountain”). As I flipped through Hatchet last night, I realized that the reason my son didn’t make a big deal about the sections you point out is that they are all scene-setting–that is, there needs to be some reason why this boy is out in the Alaskan tundra on his own. The divorce, the plane crash, etc all that is just background.

My course of action, if this was my child, would be to assess the entire list. If I only had trouble with one book, I would allow her to do the assignment, being sure to discuss that specific book with her. I would then write to the school suggesting that they swap out that book for another similar books (we have ‘My Side of the Mountain’ as a perfect substitue). However, if there were several books on the list that I objected to, I would definately bring it up to the school now so that accomodations could be made for my child or better yet, have the list changed for the entire grade.

My children are voracious readers so I can no longer keep up with them and get any reading of my own done! However, I do feel that by laying the foundation with discussions of their book choices, what they liked about the book, and any questionable plot points, they have developed a very good sense of what is appropriate. The daughter is now 15 but she does not read the teen romances or horror books that are popular among other girls her age. For example, she bypassed the entire “Twilight” series all on her own. My son (who did read Hatchet) is planning to read the Narnia series this summer.

Parental guidance is reading choices and understanding books is very important. I commend you on your concerns, but again if this is the only book on the list that you object to, then I would not ask her to be excused from the entire assignment.
 
So what are the other books? Can you share the whole list?

I am a firm believer in discussing whatever my children are reading. Since she will be reading these over the summer, can you read along with her (or your wife) so that you can discuss as she goes along? I have not read Hatchet, but I often read along with my children–or suggest books I enjoyed as a child (like “My Side of the Mountain”). As I flipped through Hatchet last night, I realized that the reason my son didn’t make a big deal about the sections you point out is that they are all scene-setting–that is, there needs to be some reason why this boy is out in the Alaskan tundra on his own. The divorce, the plane crash, etc all that is just background.

My course of action, if this was my child, would be to assess the entire list. If I only had trouble with one book, I would allow her to do the assignment, being sure to discuss that specific book with her. I would then write to the school suggesting that they swap out that book for another similar books (we have ‘My Side of the Mountain’ as a perfect substitue). However, if there were several books on the list that I objected to, I would definately bring it up to the school now so that accomodations could be made for my child or better yet, have the list changed for the entire grade.

My children are voracious readers so I can no longer keep up with them and get any reading of my own done! However, I do feel that by laying the foundation with discussions of their book choices, what they liked about the book, and any questionable plot points, they have developed a very good sense of what is appropriate. The daughter is now 15 but she does not read the teen romances or horror books that are popular among other girls her age. For example, she bypassed the entire “Twilight” series all on her own. My son (who did read Hatchet) is planning to read the Narnia series this summer.

Parental guidance is reading choices and understanding books is very important. I commend you on your concerns, but again if this is the only book on the list that you object to, then I would not ask her to be excused from the entire assignment.
This is the best well balanced reply that I have read. Yes, the scenes of concern are scene setting. Why is the hero stuck in the wilderness anyway?
The greater the variety of books that a person reads, the more they will be able to discern for themselves what is appropriate. Isn’t this the goal we have for all our children?
Once my daughter started reading, she took off. At that time, there were not very many books available for a rising third grader that met her reading level. The Narnia series was one of them. She read The Hobbit, but not Lord of the Rings until she was older.
After reading White Swans, a book that my granddaughter, who just completed her Freshman year in high school recommended, I suggested she read Pearl Buck’s books for a different perspective.
It is possible to download the top 100 books recommended for students to read before graduating from high school. I will need to ask my daughter for the link (or google it myself). The University of Steubenville has a list of the books it requires for its Honors Humanities Program, which of course has some controversial books on it.
My tendency is not to remove books from a list, but rather to find something additional to read as a counterbalance.
Across Five Aprils, a Newbery Honor Book, is about the same length as Hatchet. Set in Southern Illinois,It is the story of the Creighton family during the Civil War. Jethro is nine years old at the beginning of the book. American History is studied in fifth grade. It is not as challenging a book as The Bronze Bow. Red Badge of Courage can be saved until later. I like to balance between more modern books like Hatchet and classics like Huckleberry Finn and Call of the Wild.
I am not crazy about Holes, although I know many students are choosing to read it, starting as early as third grade.
 
Well does the book advocate for those types of behaviors, or simply tells a story about them?
 
Sir Knight,
Your hands are not all that tied. I used to believe as you. My child was asked to read trashy books at her “Catholic” school. I was appalled! Then I began to look even further into what she was learning at this school and was very angry to find out she really wasn’t learning her faith at all. The priest flat out said he would do nothing to help the school follow the teachings of the Catholic faith. I blew and pulled my child. I am now home-schooling all my children. I isn’t easy. We live on near nothing, but my children are learning their faith. In every subject they learn something about being Catholic. In the end I am learning more about the faith that I didn’t get the opportunity to know and we are learning together. It really amazed me who little I knew of Church history and how America was settle and influenced by the Catholic Faith.

I didn’t know that in the beginning Catholics were not given the right to vote in this country. I didn’t realize how profoundly science was influenced by the faith. I was always led to believe that Catholic history was barbaric and it needed to change. Now I realize Jesus Words were for all time and don’t require changing.

My daughter used to get frustrated when she would open her science book and it would tell how wonderfully designed God created… She kept demanding that God had nothing to do with science. Boy that Catholic school didn’t help her. She has finally come around, but it has taken three years to get rid of the relativism she learned while attending “Catholic” school.

Go talk to the teacher. Ask if your child could please read a different book. It is worth a try. You will sleep better if you do.
 
As a parent, if you have a problem with this book, take it to the school, explain your opinion, and suggest another title instead.

Do this in a friendly, positive way.
I’ve been trying. It took me OVER a month to get on the Principal’s calendar and the other day she left a message saying that she needed to cancel due to a conflict and that she would call back to re-schedule.
 
I am also really selective with what my kids see & read, & I agree that you should discuss your concerns with the teacher. He or she may allow your child to read a substitute. I wish the faith was taught even more at my kids Catholic school, too, but I think the teachers have a really tough job. Many of the parents are very secular & are only interested in maintaining the highest academic standards, & the teachers have to find books that appeal to boys & girls with varying interests, skills & attention spans. They have a huge job & need our prayers!

My girls had to read Hatchett recently when they were going into 5th, also. I was also concerned & thought it was very graphic for my kids (they are VERY sensitive & easily scared & upset by violence), as well as being pretty dark & heavy. I think it would be better for 7th ot 8th graders. My oldest was just starting at this Catholic school, though, so I was too hesitant to discuss it with her teacher. I read the book with both of my girls, though. I read the chapters that were more graphic & left out the parts that would be most upsetting to them, & discussed things that concerned me.

I share your concerns, but I did think the book had some redeeming qualities. To clarify, I get frustrated with people who excuse all kinds of inappropriate & immoral actions in books & movies because it is of literary merit or has teaching points. That said, to me, this book did not sink to that level. When I read it, I was beginning to sense that life was getting more & more difficult & feared it would get worse. I liked that this book shows that kids can overcome hardships & survive just about anything. It is secular, but I think we do need to teach them that not everyone believes & lives as we do.

I think you could have an opportunity here. If you read the book with your child, you could frequently point out how having faith in God would have helped him. Regular prayer would have added to the routine of his day, & a frequent dialogue with God throughout his day would have eased his depression & isolation. For secular & religious reasons, I wish the scene of him hurting himself was ommitted. I don’t think he necessarily sinned, though. Suicide is not always a sin, & we can see this boy went through incredibly difficult things. Anyone, even with a strong faith, could be tempted toward despair in his shoes. This would be another great opportunity to discuss with your child how Jesus could have helped our character. It could really demonstrate to her what a priceless gift you & God have given her with her faith!

I think sin & evil can be presented in books as long as it is seen clearly as evil, & if lessons are learned by the character & the reader (within reason, of course, I’m not advocating allowing them to read about ANY kind of sin or evil). I think this is mostly a good boy, though, who is in traumatic cirumstances. Not knowing how to pray & being incredibly depressed are not sinful. You could discuss with your daughter that this is exactly the kind of person that we can reach & help with our loving example of how Christ helps us.

There are a number of things my kids are not allowed to see or read. I think I am considered too strict when it comes to media. I did allow this book, but, ultimately, you know your child best & need to decide. I’m sorry to be so wordy, I just wanted to let you know what I thought after reading the book. Good luck, & may God bless you for your concern!👍
 
I’ve been trying. It took me OVER a month to get on the Principal’s calendar and the other day she left a message saying that she needed to cancel due to a conflict and that she would call back to re-schedule.
Over a month to talk to the principal?!:eek: It should not take that long to be able to discuss concerns with the principal or teacher. That is indeed troubling, but I would consider trying to talk to the teacher before the principal, unless you’ve already done that…
 
Well does the book advocate for those types of behaviors, or simply tells a story about them?
It’s telling a story but the reason why we are PAYING to send her to Catholic School is for Catholic values to be incorporated into what she reads. When I went to school, the books that we read always had a little bit of that tossed in somewhere. I still remember one of the books …

A family of five (two married parents and their three children) move to a new town. One of the boys is sad about leaving his friends and is depressed. On Sunday, they attend mass at their new Church and meet the young priest who is full of energy (unlike their previous priest who was older and didn’t have that much enthusiasm) and he invites the boy to be an altar server. The boy’s spirits are lifted and he starts liking his new community.

Another chapter focuses on the other son breaking the school window by accident. Nobody sees him but another boy who was playing there earlier gets accused. The boy struggles with what to do. Spends some time in prayer before the Blessed Sacrament and decides to confess that he was the one who broke the window.

… They had elements of the Catholic faith built into the story. Maybe those kind of books are hard to come by but I would like for the story to focus on at least some Christian values.

From what I’ve been able to get out of it, the main focus of the book is perseverance but, as I said in my opening post, it is done with a complete lack of Christian values – the boy’s parents are divorced and he saw his mother kissing another man; he does not believe in God; and does not know how to pray; consider suicide; survives in the wilderness not based on his faith or what his parents taught him or what his school has taught him but from what he watched on TV … that is my issue with it.
 
It’s telling a story but the reason why we are PAYING to send her to Catholic School is for Catholic values to be incorporated into what she reads. When I went to school, the books that we read always had a little bit of that tossed in somewhere. I still remember one of the books …

A family of five (two married parents and their three children) move to a new town. One of the boys is sad about leaving his friends and is depressed. On Sunday, they attend mass at their new Church and meet the young priest who is full of energy (unlike their previous priest who was older and didn’t have that much enthusiasm) and he invites the boy to be an altar server. The boy’s spirits are lifted and he starts liking his new community.

Another chapter focuses on the other son breaking the school window by accident. Nobody sees him but another boy who was playing there earlier gets accused. The boy struggles with what to do. Spends some time in prayer before the Blessed Sacrament and decides to confess that he was the one who broke the window.

… They had elements of the Catholic faith built into the story. Maybe those kind of books are hard to come by but I would like for the story to focus on at least some Christian values.

From what I’ve been able to get out of it, the main focus of the book is perseverance but, as I said in my opening post, it is done with a complete lack of Christian values – the boy’s parents are divorced and he saw his mother kissing another man; he does not believe in God; and does not know how to pray; consider suicide; survives in the wilderness not based on his faith or what his parents taught him or what his school has taught him but from what he watched on TV … that is my issue with it.
Wow, Sir Knight, that does sound like a great book for kids. I wish more books, movies & television would incorporate Catholic or Christian faith in them today. They are hard to find, as you said. I do also wish schools would teach the faith more & tie it into everything they do!
 
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