Inappropriate T-Shirt in Mass

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It is none of your business. If the priest denies him Communion that is his rebuke. If the man is a EM or an altar server then you have the right to question it. But the Mass is public and you have no right to decide what is appropriate dress for anyone but yourself and your children (and spouse if they let you tell them what to wear). Offer it up. You do have a right to bear your own Cross.
 
Certain things are over the top, and that t-shirt is one of them. I wouldn’t confront him directly, but I’d probably have a chat with the usher on his side, to see if he could be asked to turn his shirt inside out.

We are not at the Mall, after all. If he tried to wear that shirt to the Symphony, he’d be tossed out the back door with the rest of the trash.
 
Originally Posted by Enoch: Do you even know what a saint is? It’s not just for nuns and priests. It’s every soul in heaven. We are ALL called to be saints. We are ALL called to the same level of holiness no matter what our state in life is, or what vocation we have, or what crosses we bear. Saints are indeed very ordinary people who never gave up the fight for holiness.
God does not expect anyone to be perfect here on earth. However, He does expect us to be continually working towards it. Just like when a baby bird is truing to hatch from an egg. It is the struggle to get out that makes it strong enough to fly. If it just automatically opened it would die.
So if someone tells me to embrace homosexuals and I respond, “I will embrace them as children of God, but warn them that that Jesus and the Church teaches homosexual activity is a grave sin”, am I being personally judgmental? Am I pointing a finger? No! I’m trying to show them the way to heaven. Christ is the judge here.
It isn’t the fact that someone may be inclined to be attracted to the same sex that’s the sin, it’s when someone indulges in that inclination and makes no attempt to do as Christ taught that is the sin.
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I think it was inappropriate. But, I think anything with words on it in Mass is inappropriate. The natural tendency of a literate person is to look up and immediately read what is in front of the eyes. Rude and distracting, IMO.

Let’s see, a basic burger-flipping job all the way to a fancy golf club won’t allow t-shirts, let alone slogans. Just about every company you could work for prohibits tees and slogans. Even some schools have restrictions. But, Mass is a apparently a good place to voice your opinions? :confused:
 
It is none of your business. If the priest denies him Communion that is his rebuke. If the man is a EM or an altar server then you have the right to question it. But the Mass is public and you have no right to decide what is appropriate dress for anyone but yourself and your children (and spouse if they let you tell them what to wear). Offer it up. You do have a right to bear your own Cross.
I agree it is inappropriate (as are halters, tube tops, short shorts and strapless minidresses in my opinion)—BUT it is not your place to do the correcting. The man CHOSE to wear it ON PURPOSE knowing the statement he was making and knowing it would upset some others. A bug in the ear of the priest–or person close to the priest-- to include something in the homily about using the Church as an audience for political agenda or inapropriate dress is all you have the right to do. Until there is a sign on the Church door outlining the dress code–unfortunately, there is none and people will continue to make bad judgements. Give 'em an inch and they WILL take a mile…
 
I asked this earlier and no one said anything (though someone did comment on a separate part of the post which I didn’t copy here and which is really irrelevant to the question above).

So, I ask again, why is everyone so quick to assume the worst of this guy? It has been admitted that (1) the shirt could be interpreted in different ways, and (2) that you don’t know what the guy meant because no one asked him. Given these facts, you are guessing/assuming based on what??? Why can’t you give this guy the benefit of Christian charity? :confused:
Why assume? Because wearing such a T-shirt is making a statement. It is calling for people to embrace un-Christian and anti-Catholic ideals, like atheism.

You can wring your hands all you like and keep saying “but we do not know what is in his heart” all you want, but he wore this ant-Catholic T-shirt to a Catholic Mass. Such a thing is not an accident because even if he did not mean to wear it Mass, why would a faithful Catholic even own such shirt. Such a message constitutes manifest (public) heresy or apostasy. It is scandalous.

He is not a faithful Catholic. We should pray for his conversion.
 
We are not at the Mall, after all. If he tried to wear that shirt to the Symphony, he’d be tossed out the back door with the rest of the trash.
This is the whole point. I was there when he wore the shirt, this is not about being over judgemental against fellow parishoners, I was minding my own business when this guy was walking back to the pew close to mine from communion and it shocked me. I was not looking for controversy, it was brought to me.

Also, i believe the OP is really about the content of the message, not the fact it was on a T-shirt (seperate argument there).

For more clarification and background about the subject: I have first seen this shirt worn by the staff and followers of the The Women’s and Gender Equity Resource Center at Texas A&M University a couple years before it was handed out to student housing. This department, aside from the sociology department, in my opinion is the most liberal department on campus.

studentaffairs.tamu.edu/womensresourcecenter/index.html

Also, A&M is considered to have a much more conservative student population than most public universities. Seeing this on campus will probably raise some eyebrows and a person wearing this shirt will more than likely realize it is calling attention to himself.

There is no doubt at all that this shirt is in fact talking about liberal progressive value systems. This shirt is telling people to embrace not only the people, but the value system of those people. The key word here being “it” in “Embrace it”.

After being shocked, I was fairly angery that a person would have the disrespect to wear this in the house of the Lord, let alone for the disrespect he showed for my own and everyone else’s belief system in church. Even if this person did not realize what he was wearing or the seriousness of it, is he not at fault for that as well? How is this an excuse?

It seems to me that there is a double standard with what we can and cant tell people. If this shirt had the most vile profanities and vulgarities in bold letters written all over it or it said ‘pedophile and proud’, would there be the same calls for charity on these forums?

I feel like we can only get upset or take action about something that everyone including most liberals get upset about, like murder, rape, pedophilia. But when it comes to a belief that is held only by the Christian or Catholic community, we must reserve ourselves to hope or pray that they will see the light by themselves, or to be super mindful of their feelings when or if we speak to them. I feel like this is weakness, not charity, especially when this thought process causes hesitancy on my part to even speak about it for fear of upsetting the person. What about the charity to those who might be influenced by these people’s expressions?

Please correct me if I am wrong and I am really being honest about this. It is because everytime I feel I dont speak out about something like this to the offense itself (the person expressing these values) that has the possibility to influence people who do not know what to believe, whether it is in my college classes, or in a place that has even more significance like church, I feel like a little bit of my dignity dies and I become weaker. Like I did not stand up for God. This is what my conscience tells me. Is it wrong or misguided?
 
Like I did not stand up for God. This is what my conscience tells me. Is it wrong or misguided?
It sure doesn’t sound like the same religion that the martyrs died for, does it? How can we dare to think that we will stand in their company, if we are afraid to stand up to a t-shirt, but they were not afraid of lions?

I’m just throwing that out there; I don’t mean to pick on anybody in particular.
 
Why not, we should embrace one another, right? Such a foolish, outdated, hippie notion.
So you’re saying we shouldn’t embrace one anothers’ differences? In my opinion, THAT is the foolish notion.
And hippies rock, dude.
 
So you’re saying we shouldn’t embrace one anothers’ differences? In my opinion, THAT is the foolish notion.
And hippies rock, dude.
It depends on the differences that we are supposed to be embracing. For example, I would not recommend embracing or supporting living in a state of mortal sin.
 
It depends on the differences that we are supposed to be embracing. For example, I would not recommend embracing or supporting living in a state of mortal sin.
**Here, here!!👍 **
And, I wouldn’t “embrace” a rapist’s “difference” - OR
an abortionist’s’ . . .
a homosexual’s . . .
a murderer’s . . .
a pedophile’s . . .
a thief’s . . .
Love the sinner - NOT the sin!
 
**Here, here!!👍 **
And, I wouldn’t “embrace” a rapist’s “difference” - OR
an abortionist’s’ . . .
a homosexual’s . . .
a murderer’s . . .
a pedophile’s . . .
a thief’s . . .
Love the sinner - NOT
the sin!
So wait, I’m a Wiccan lesbian. I am also Pro-Choice. Does this mean you would NOT embrace me, based on my beliefs/sexual orientation/etc, etc.?
 
So wait, I’m a Wiccan lesbian. I am also Pro-Choice. Does this mean you would NOT embrace me, based on my beliefs/sexual orientation/etc, etc.?
We could love you as a person, but we could not help you stay in your religion, or support your choice to kill defenseless children, or consider your sexual relationship to be a “marriage.”
 
We could love you as a person, but we could not help you stay in your religion, or support your choice to kill defenseless children, or consider your sexual relationship to be a “marriage.”
Amen, good answer.
 
So wait, I’m a Wiccan lesbian. I am also Pro-Choice. Does this mean you would NOT embrace me, based on my beliefs/sexual orientation/etc, etc.?
That’s not at ALL what I said.
**The question you posed was, "So you’re saying we shouldn’t embrace one anothers’ differences? ". I don’t embrace wiccan beliefs or homosexuality. I would have no problem speaking to you and treating you with the same respect I would show anybody else. **
You have dignity because your are a person - created in the image of God.
Whereas I do not accept your beliefs and sexual orientation, you have my respect as a human being.
 
I’m old, so for me, a t-shirt of any kind is inappropriate for mass. Just my feeling.

We should of course welcome atheists, gays, etc. into our churches. Sinners are His specialty, after all. He used to hang out with them, didn’t He? And a celibate homosexual is as blameless as a celibate single heterosexual.

But the t-shirt was a bit over the top, and could be easily misinterpreted. I don’t know if I’d have said anything, but I wouldn’t like it.
 
So wait, I’m a Wiccan lesbian. I am also Pro-Choice. Does this mean you would NOT embrace me, based on my beliefs/sexual orientation/etc, etc.?
As a person, sure. We are called to love the individual, not love what they stand for, per se.

I wouldn’t embrace any of your beliefs, as they are dangerous and unhealthy.
 
So wait, I’m a Wiccan lesbian. I am also Pro-Choice. Does this mean you would NOT embrace me, based on my beliefs/sexual orientation/etc, etc.?
Love you, yes.
Love what you are doing, no.

BTW- they two can be separated.
 
My first response is to tear it off of him and then beat him with a rolled up missal.
That would be a sin.

Roman missal = mortal sin.

Missalette = venial sin.

Bulletin = no sin, unless he gets a paper cut.

This must have been an NO Mass. Traditionalists use the BIG books; there’s only so much damage you can do with the “Living in Christ: Sunday Edition”.
 
Shouldn’t your avatar say “Ora et Labora”?, instead of “ora and labora”?
It actually **does **say “Ora et labora”.

The ampersand (&) derives from a ligature of the Latin “et”. That is why the Latin “et cetera” can be abbreviated “&c”.
 
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