Just because someone could see God, does not mean that God had flesh.Jn.1:14 states not that the word was made flesh but that the word was made flesh and dwelt among us.So was the word ever made flesh prior to this but did not dwell amongst us - who was the God of the OT, that man could not see and live,but that man did see and lived viz Sinai,Mamre and also elsewhere - twinc
NoJn.1:14 states not that the word was made flesh but that the word was made flesh and dwelt among us.So was the word ever made flesh prior to this but did not dwell amongst us
The God is pure spirit. What makes you think that God as spirit cannot see and live?who was the God of the OT, that man could not see and live,but that man did see and lived viz Sinai,Mamre and also elsewhere - twinc
Hi, twinc.Jn.1:14 states not that the word was made flesh but that the word was made flesh and dwelt among us.So was the word ever made flesh prior to this but did not dwell amongst us - who was the God of the OT, that man could not see and live,but that man did see and lived viz Sinai,Mamre and also elsewhere - twinc
do not be so cosy or sure or certain about enlightenment,for Jesus told us how to tell the difference between a ghost or a disembodied entity or a theophany and probably elsewhere but definately at Mamre[Gen.18]these requirements were fulfilled - twincHi, twinc.
I’m nowhere close to a mastery of Sacred Scripture, but while God provided many, many prophets that guided us, they were all precursors and pathways to God’s ultimate plan, to make his Second Person (always and eternally present with the Father and Holy Spirit, but never revealed until the time of the New Testament record) incarnate, to live with us, teach directly to us, and even die for us.
Sacred Scripture of the Old Testament gives many prophetic hints that the Christ would come and why he would come. In Abraham’s obedient near-sacrifice of his son, God showed that no other sacrifices would ultimately appease him more than a sacrifice of something of great worth–your only child. But a mere human child (or adult) would not be acceptable (or just). Knowing that death would not affect Him but would eternally punish us, Christ’s incarnation created a way to kill death; while you could kill the human of Christ, the eternal might of the Second Person would not be easily vanquished. Since Christ was both human and divine, death became redefined, not as an end but as a beginning for the just dead to enter Heaven.
God made his Word present throughout the ages through objects or as a disembodied voice or a spiritual representation of a physical form (as angels did), but, to my knowledge, had not humbled Himself as much to become a man himself until the time of Christ Jesus.
And thank you for your question. It enlightened me by being able to explain something deeper and warming about the gift of God, not just to you but to myself, in this time of Advent.
go take another look - it says man cannot see God and live - twincNo
The God is pure spirit. What makes you think that God as spirit cannot see and live?
God is God and can do as he pleases.
Jeanne
Hagar saw God and Livedgo take another look - it says man cannot see God and live - twinc
Yes exactly but how can this be so since man cannot see God and live even according to Jesus at Jn.5:37 and 6:46 and also elsewhere at Jn1:18 and 1Timothy6:16 besides Exod.33:20 & 24:9-11 and Deut.5:24-26 - also see Deut.34:10 and Numbers 12:6-8 - twincHagar saw God and Lived
Hmmmm I guessed I missed something here. What is your point again? So then who did Hagar see? God also appeared to Abram in Gen 17 and 18. What are you trying to say here?Yes exactly but how can this be so since man cannot see God and live even according to Jesus at Jn.5:37 and 6:46 and also elsewhere at Jn1:18 and 1Timothy6:16 besides Exod.33:20 & 24:9-11 and Deut.5:24-26 - also see Deut.34:10 and Numbers 12:6-8 - twinc
I give up - so will somebody please tell her - twincHmmmm I guessed I missed something here. What is your point again? So then who did Hagar see? God also appeared to Abram in Gen 17 and 18. What are you trying to say here?
Please do. This entire thread doesn’t make sense.I give up - so will somebody please tell her - twinc
I’m telling her that this is another of your attention seeking meaningless threads.I give up - so will somebody please tell her - twinc
Right on Thistle. I would have called this poster an agitator.I’m telling her that this is another of your attention seeking meaningless threads.
guess who is being agitated and why - twincRight on Thistle. I would have called this poster an agitator.
The Catholic Douay states angel - but how about Gen.18 and elsewhere like speaking to Moses face to face and mouth to mouth etc - twincIn the OT especially, scripture does not always make a strong distinction between God and God’s messenger(s). Occassionally, the language seems to blur the distinction in mid-verse. So, trying to figure out if Hagar saw God or only an angel is a waste of time - though if forced to decide, I would fall on the side of messenger.
Its a pity you didn’t refer us to the Haydock commentary in the Douey-Rheims Bible or did you conveniently forget that?The Catholic Douay states angel - but how about Gen.18 and elsewhere like speaking to Moses face to face and mouth to mouth etc - twinc
Abraham would have known not to adore God in His representatives “thou shal not take to thyself any graven image or the likeness of anything in the heavens above or the earth beneath,thou shall not adore them or serve them” - twincIts a pity you didn’t refer us to the Haydock commentary in the Douey-Rheims Bible or did you conveniently forget that?
Genesis 18
Ver. 2. Men in outward appearance, but angels indeed. (Hebrews xiii. 2; St. Augustine, City of God xvi. chap. 29.) Some have supposed, that one of them was the Son of God, whom Abraham adored, and who bears throughout the chief authority. Tres vidit et unum adoravit. He saw three and adored one, as we read in the Church office. In the former supposition, which is generally adopted, this adoration was only a civil ceremony, if Abraham considered them as mere men; or it might be mixed with a degree of religious, though inferior veneration, if he imagined they were angels; or in fine, he adored God in his representatives. (Haydock)
You obviously did not read the commentary carefully which explains what is meant by adore in the case of Abraham. It did NOT mean worship.Abraham would have known not to adore God in His representatives “thou shal not take to thyself any graven image or the likeness of anything in the heavens above or the earth beneath,thou shall not adore them or serve them” - twinc