Inclusive language

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Personally I think the entire inclusive language debate is absurd but, my opinion doesn’t matter since I am a part of that oppressive patriarchal regime that destroyed the feminine earth mother of the Church. So, let’s go ahead and run with it for a second. Inclusive means being gender neutral in all aspects correct? Then it works both ways:

Bear with me here.

Hail Mary,
Full of grace
blessed art thou among fetal support and production units
and blessed is the product of thy internal fetal support system,
Jesus
Holy Mary,
parent and/or care provider of God
Pray for us sinners
now and at the hour of our death
amen.

This was not intended to show disrespect to our Blessed Mother in any way. I thought maybe if we looked at it from the other angle, we’d see the sheer inanity of going through every prayer with a bottle of politically correct white out in order to take out those mean, nasty, XY chromosomal pronouns.
 
I am a woman and know very well God gave women very special gifts that he did not give to men. Women do contribute to the church. Why does a women have to be in charge in order to be validated? Why do we have to compete with men to have value?
Women are the heart of the church, and that is what we are created to be. Look at the women in the Bible, they were the some of the best examples of holiness. They never deserted Jesus when the men did. Yet they were not chosen as apostles. Why? Because women and men have a different calling. And one is not better than the other. We have been brain washed by society that in order to have value one must be in seats of power and control.
Do you think more souls have been won by sitting thru meetings, deciding liturgical issues, financial issues ect or by deep prayer and fasting, by kindness and serving the poor and those in need -which both religious and lay women have been doing since the beginning of the church. What is more important to God?

Well put, rayne.

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I’d put a thumbs-down (mentally) for those who appear to be judging women as being inferior or oppressed simply because they don’t fulfill a specific role in the church. Not every man is a priest–does that make the non-priests inferior? Hardly. Society today seems to be demanding that we all be “leaders”, and that nobody should have to be a “follower”, as though “following” were shameful. Men and women are not “equal” in the sense that posters like patg seem to have put upon equality today–in fact, no people would be “equal” in that sense. Has anyone ever read the short story “Harrison Bergeron” where, in order that all people be made absolutely equal, any talent, any gift, any beauty in a given individual had to be nullified, so that absolutely no one could be “better” than anyone else?

What men and women are would be considered “complementary”. Where they are “equal” in the dictionary sense of equal, where indeed all people are “equal” in the dictionary sense, is in their souls, because souls are where we have the essence of our nature as “images” of God. As a woman, I’ll never be “a man”. And I’m not “like a man”, or “good as a man” (or even “bad as a man”), or “interchangeable with a man”. And that doesn’t make me inferior, or men superior, because we have different genders and different aspects and different roles to play in our Christian journey as opposed to our “wordly” journey. To think that, because of whatever “historical oppression”, “culture/ tradition”, or even “scientific wisdom” did to some persons at some time period at some place is directly related to Christian teaching regarding male priesthood is a false and treacherous argument that attempts a gender warfare iconoclasty rather than the spurious “equality” it prates of.

It’s yet another attempt, IMO, to make God not our Father or Creator, but first an “equal” whom** we** are actually “Helping” to be God, and then later not even necessarily equal, but something we once “created” ourselves, but now that we know better (being at once so equal and so brilliant as to come up with these vast improvements on God’s patriarchy), not needed at all. 10 commandments? Hierarchy? How could or should we, those perfectly equal, perfectly rational, perfectly wonderful humans, need them? We know so much better, don’t we?
 
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buffalo:
I heard Mother Angelica say on the radio that inclusive language is satanic and that we should run from it.
If that’s true, she is one daffy dame.

If it is satanic, then it is a universal wrong. So then languages other than English were church documents are in inclusive language are following satanism.
 
John of Woking:
Hello I would like your opinions on inclusive language 😃
Calling God by feminine address is okay, I guess, as long as we make sure we do the same thing for the devil.

After all, doesn’t anyone stop to consider how offensive it is to men to hear Satan always referred to in strictly masculine terms?

And we naturally don’t want to leave women out of their inclusion in the diabolical—that wouldn’t be welcoming at all, in the spirit of universal diversity.

We all know about Satan—she is the Mother of Lies, the Serpentess, the Old Dragoness, seeking whom she may devour.

And all of her demonesses have caused nothing but trouble ever since she was cast out of heaven.
 
TantumErgo:
Women are the heart of the church, and that is what we are created to be.
I was civilized,educated, and moved to sanctity by 23 women for 12 years, along with my gang friends and thousands of others.
Those women were known collectively as Sisters of Charity.
I cannot imagine men having the balance of patience, discipline, unwavering devotion, intelligence, persistence and holiness, all under a vow of poverty, that these women had.
They formed nearly every Catholic citizen for 100+ years in America.
And today?
 
I see it as an attempt to reach out to women who have been marginalized by a culture and a religious faith that has long favored the white male. In the Gospel of Thomas there is evidence that some in the early Church even believed that a woman must be transformed into a man to be saved.

I recognize the fact that Jesus made it a point to reach out to women and offer them His healing touch. This really ticked off the religious leaders of His day who loved to parade around in their flowing priestly garments, and enjoyed practicing the letter of the law to the most extreme degree.

However, I do not believe in replacing Father, Son and Holy Spirit with Creator, Redeemer, and Sanctifyer. To do so is very bad theology. It is to practice modalism. The Father, Son and Spirit are Divine Persons. Besides, each Divine Person participates equally in Creation, Redemption and Sanctification. I never replace Father with the generic God because the word “Father” is used to address a particular Divine Person.

Although it has not been officially sanctioned by Rome, instead of “for us men and our salvation” in the Creed, I recite “for us and for our salvation.” It becomes tricky with some of the hymns if we are used to singing them with certain lyrics. I find that instead of singing them from memory, it is wise to check the Breaking Bread hymnal where inclusive lyrics and lyrics which do not have negative overtones have been revised for proper use in the liturgy.

I love the fact that the Lectionary uses “brothers and sisters” rather than just “brothers,” though Jimmy Akin and Karl Keating bemoan this fact. I believe that it is perfectly fine to adapt the Word of God in the Liturgy because the Word of God is being proclaimed to those assembled today, not to a First Century Christian community that no longer exists in it’s primitive form.

When I had originally been active in the Church, I was rather traditional and more conservative. Leaving the Church and experiencing how God has been at work among Protestants and alternative sects has helped broaden my understanding of God and of the Church greatly.
 
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Nichevo:
Hail Mary,
Full of grace
blessed art thou among fetal support and production units
and blessed is the product of thy internal fetal support system,
Jesus
Holy Mary,
parent and/or care provider of God
Pray for us sinners
now and at the hour of our death
amen.
Or better yet, how about this one…

Gay old fairy, full of Aids…
 
Changing any of the wording in the liturgy is reporobated by Redemptionis Sacramentum #59.

59. The reprobated practice by which Priests, Deacons or the faithful here and there alter or vary at will the texts of the Sacred Liturgy that they are charged to pronounce, must cease. For in doing thus, they render the celebration of the Sacred Liturgy unstable, and not infrequently distort the authentic meaning of the Liturgy.
 
I’m a female and I do comprehend that “brethren” refers to me too, as does mankind, and man. It needs to be taken into context with the sentence to know the difference.

Under no circumstances should God be referred to in a feminine way. No one has a right to address God as “Mother” when Jesus taught us to address Him as Father. The Catholic Church is Mother and maybe that is why these people who push for such inclusive language are so confused. It is likely the same people who refuse to obey Holy Mother Church in other matters, so why not change other things.

These people need to start being more concerned with their own salvation, and with the salvation of their followers, than with their self-esteem, pride, and vanity.
 
It’s not allowed, per the infallable teaching of the Roman Catholic Church. Our ‘opinions’ matter not.

Catholics accept ALL the infallable teachings of the Catholic Church. It’s part of the definition of the word. If you don’t accept all the teachings, go to a protestant church,- because you’ve already declared yourself as one.

Again, another pet peeve.

Stay or go - but if you stay, stop trying to change the rules.
Angel
 
I think inclusive language is evil. I think it is used by those who want to destroy the family. God is called Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in the Bible. Two of those are definitely male references. God put man as head of the family for a reason. Men are governed by logic, and women are governed by emotions. I’m not saying men are unemotional or women are illogical, but in femininity, emotion predominates- in masculinity, logic predominates. The Holy Spirit is often considered feminine by theologians (I personally think that this is because God the Holy Spirit is the one who affects your emotions). It really irritates me when people drop the references to God as “He” from the liturgical texts and from music (especially when you overhear someone sitting next to you changing the responses at their own whim i.e. “it is right to give God thanks and praise” uggggh why do they make an issue of something that shouldn’t be an issue?)
 
Blessings to all! In the name of the Creator, Redeemer and Sacntifier. (gag)
 
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