Inconsistency with hats

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I have noticed that many eastern catholic churches are inconsistent with their clothes when compared with their orthodox counterparts.

for example.

coptic catholic patriarch:
terrasanta.net/tsx/assets/foto/l_anbabrahim16012013.jpg

coptic orthodox patriarch:
ukmidcopts.org/home/images/pope_shenouda4.jpg

Syriac catholic patriarch on right with syriac orthodox on left:
2.bp.blogspot.com/_YTo9l-j4K7c/SwTlED9_l3I/AAAAAAAAAmk/UkBsUNCTgPw/s320/SyrCathpatAug2009c.jpg

Another thing here is why is the syriac orthodox patriarch wearing icons? isn’t this sort of a hellenization?
 
This man made stuff really isn’t important on the grand scheme of things.
 
shlomo3amrooh said:
I have noticed that many eastern catholic churches are inconsistent with their clothes when compared with their orthodox counterparts.
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Notice that the SOC kub’ono, the Maronite tobbiye, the Coptic 'emmeh, the ACoE kosita, and the Chaldean shash are all similar, but with distinct differences. Those differences are rooted in the Ottoman Empire, where the Imperial authorities required different headwear for each sect. (The one Church that seems to have escaped is the Melkite, which uses the exact same kamilavkion as the Greek Orthodox, and that is likely due to the way the Melkites came into union with Rome.)

AFAIK, in the Coptic CC and the Syriac CC it’s only the Patriarch who wears anything, and although even those are not identical, both are versions of the Greek kamilavkion. I believe the reason for the kamilavkion comes from Rome. The reason the two differ from one another is again due to the Ottoman regulations.
 
Can I just say, that regardless of content, “inconsistency with hats” is possibly my favorite thread title ever? 😃

Ok, carry on!
 
malphono said:
Notice that the SOC kub’ono, the Maronite tobbiye, the Coptic 'emmeh, the ACoE kosita, and the Chaldean shash are all similar, but with distinct differences. Those differences are rooted in the Ottoman Empire, where the Imperial authorities required different headwear for each sect. (The one Church that seems to have escaped is the Melkite, which uses the exact same kamilavkion as the Greek Orthodox, and that is likely due to the way the Melkites came into union with Rome.)

AFAIK, in the Coptic CC and the Syriac CC it’s only the Patriarch who wears anything, and although even those are not identical, both are versions of the Greek kamilavkion. I believe the reason for the kamilavkion comes from Rome. The reason the two differ from one another is again due to the Ottoman regulations.
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In the SCC I am pretty sure Chirbishops and bishops are allowed to wear a hat. But the patriarch has a lil gold thing on the top of his. Eg

syriaccatholicchurch.com/
 
shlomo3amrooh said:
In the SCC I am pretty sure Chirbishops and bishops are allowed to wear a hat. But the patriarch has a lil gold thing on the top of his. Eg

syriaccatholicchurch.com/
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That’s the first time I’ve ever seen the top of the Patriarch’s kamilavkion. Indeed it does have a gold-colored knob. 😃

As for bishops, that photo was another first for me. I’ve only ever seen them wearing the eskeemo. That includes Moran Mor Ignatious Yousef when he was bishop in the US, and various group photos with the Patriarch. From that, I will guess that the use of a kamilavkion by bishops is optional, and even so, it could well be that it’s not worn in the presence of the Patriarch.
 
malphono said:
Notice that the SOC kub’ono, the Maronite tobbiye, the Coptic 'emmeh, the ACoE kosita, and the Chaldean shash are all similar, but with distinct differences. Those differences are rooted in the Ottoman Empire, where the Imperial authorities required different headwear for each sect. (The one Church that seems to have escaped is the Melkite, which uses the exact same kamilavkion as the Greek Orthodox, and that is likely due to the way the Melkites came into union with Rome.)

AFAIK, in the Coptic CC and the Syriac CC it’s only the Patriarch who wears anything, and although even those are not identical, both are versions of the Greek kamilavkion. I believe the reason for the kamilavkion comes from Rome. The reason the two differ from one another is again due to the Ottoman regulations.
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Thanks malphono, I never knew that the differences of headwear came from the regulations of the Ottoman Empire. 👍
 
malphono said:
That’s the first time I’ve ever seen the top of the Patriarch’s kamilavkion. Indeed it does have a gold-colored knob. 😃

As for bishops, that photo was another first for me. I’ve only ever seen them wearing the eskeemo. That includes Moran Mor Ignatious Yousef when he was bishop in the US, and various group photos with the Patriarch. From that, I will guess that the use of a kamilavkion by bishops is optional, and even so, it could well be that it’s not worn in the presence of the Patriarch.
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Watch this video. Mgnr Samuel Boniface wearing his kamilavkion in the presence of Mor Ignatius Yousif…Plus awesome Syriac Chanting by Belgian Catholics!!!

Also watch this
 
shlomo3amrooh said:
Watch this video. Mgnr Samuel Boniface wearing his kamilavkion in the presence of Mor Ignatius Yousif…Plus awesome Syriac Chanting by Belgian Catholics!!!

Also watch this
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Thanks for those links. I enjoyed them immensely. 😃

In the first one, it’s interesting that Moran Mor Igantious Yowsef was wearing only his eskeemo. 😉 And it looked like he was enjoying the Toe Bashlom rehearsal. 😃
 
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