Incredible disrespect shown toward Pope in Barcelona

[Ichthys4121517]

OK first of all it is NOT typical gay male actions! I’m gay and Catholic as is my boyfriend and we would NEVER even think of doing anything remotely disrespectful. NOR would ANY of our other gay friends. Catholic or not.

That was not the action of a typical gay man. It was the actions of people who hate the Catholic Church, who also happen to be gay. BIG difference.

I never heard of any group of gay people desecrating the Eucharist. Link???

NOW you say “In my opinion people who try to incite such actions should be burned at the stake like they were in the old days.”
Well. let me just say this…you are sick!! The Pope didn’t even react and you sit there calling for a mass killing!! How can you sit there and say that people should be MURDERED in a horrific fashion because they kissed someone!!! Is that what Jesus would want!?!? People murdered in His name!?!? How about the Blessed Mother!?!?



WHAT KIND OF CATHOLIC ARE YOU!?!?!?

What kind of Catholic are you, to embrace a perversion of God’s plan for humanity by openly being “gay”?

There is a difference between having a tendency toward attraction to the same sex, or SSA (which is no fault of your own), and giving in to these unnatural attractions even though the Catholic Church condemns them (that is, being “gay”).

You can be the former and still be a good Catholic, but not the latter. Your SSA is a cross, a cross that might seem unfortunate (and it is, to the body), but if you carry it correctly, it can be something beautiful.

Understand that I in NO way share the sentiments of the person whom you (rightfully so) called out. I do not hate gays, but I hate the sin, and I want to help you. If you look at Catholic doctrine, you will find that the Church does not condone “gay” behavior. That doesn’t mean you can’t be a Catholic, just that you need to abandon your sin if you want to be closer to God.

Don’t think I’m being condescending or hateful; I’m not. But one of the Works of Mercy is “admonish the sinner”, and that is what I am doing. Good luck on your search for truth, and may God bless you.

 

[Adam1986]

What kind of Catholic are you, to embrace a perversion of God’s plan for humanity by openly being “gay”?

There is a difference between having a tendency toward attraction to the same sex, or SSA (which is no fault of your own), and giving in to these unnatural attractions even though the Catholic Church condemns them (that is, being “gay”).

You can be the former and still be a good Catholic, but not the latter. Your SSA is a cross, a cross that might seem unfortunate (and it is, to the body), but if you carry it correctly, it can be something beautiful.

Understand that I in NO way share the sentiments of the person whom you (rightfully so) called out. I do not hate gays, but I hate the sin, and I want to help you. If you look at Catholic doctrine, you will find that the Church does not condone “gay” behavior. That doesn’t mean you can’t be a Catholic, just that you need to abandon your sin if you want to be closer to God.

Don’t think I’m being condescending or hateful; I’m not. But one of the Works of Mercy is “admonish the sinner”, and that is what I am doing. Good luck on your search for truth, and may God bless you.

Excuse me but I said nothing about me being a good Catholic because I’m gay and have a boyfriend. I didn’t even say I was a good one.

All I did was call out a sick person who said something that is so horrific and disgusting that even other “good” Catholics pointed it out to him and even asked if he was “insane”.

 

[inocente]

Excuse me but I said nothing about me being a good Catholic because I’m gay and have a boyfriend. I didn’t even say I was a good one.

There may be some disagreement about what constitutes an unnatural perversion, and whether there is some dread decease called SSA.

Yesterday I noticed a long running thread started by the CAF News Bot [CWN]. According to the figures in the OP, the proportion in the States is higher than the proportion of Catholics who approved same-sex unions in Spain five years ago.

It seems people are deciding you’re Good As You after all. Just a thought.

 

[PetersKeys]

Really you think people should be KILLED FOR KISSING!?!?

Do you honestly think that is what Jesus would want!? For people to be burned at the stake for kissing someone!? Please elaborate as to what they did that was so wrong, so horrific, so evil that they need to DIE FOR IT!?

What kind of Catholic are you!?!?

St. Thomas More had no problem with punishment for heresy. Or Bishop Bonner. And he Thomas More was a saint…

I never heard of any group of gay people desecrating the Eucharist. Link???

sisters of perpetual indulgence

Those group of male nuns in San Francisco. Sisters of Perpetual indulgence. Openly desecrated a eucharist

.Did you?

I’m sorry, but are you INSANE?

How can you possily believe that Jesus would want us to combat disrespectful kissing with a slow, torturous murder?

How on Earth does this make sense?

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Oh I’m sorry, better tell Moses he was insane for slaughtering the midianites or Elijah for slaughtering Pagan Priests. Or Joshua. Or David. Or Solomon. or Omri. Or Jepthah. Or Barak. Or Saul. Or Maccabees, Or Gideon. Or Samson. Or Nimrod. Or St Thomas More. Or Robert Bellamarie. Or Bishop Bonner. … Or God that he was insane for sending the Deluge and destroying Sodom and Gommorah or the plagues of Egypt.

Maybe you should tell God he’s insane for prescribing death penalty for homosexuality…

For hundreds of years heresy has been purged through different sorts and ways. Its better one man die than that man to send hundreds of souls to hell by his actions.

 

[doanli]

Prayer Ins versus Kiss Ins sounds better than either side rioting in the streets.
Funnier too.

Great idea!

Prayer ins for those protesters would have been an incredible answer.

Unless they repent, and I pray they do because they are children of God as much as we are, they will have a lot to answer for and I feel very badly for them when that happens.

God always wins…and yes, He always gets the last word/laugh.

 

[inocente]

For hundreds of years heresy has been purged through different sorts and ways. Its better one man die than that man to send hundreds of souls to hell by his actions.

Hmm, tough question - love your neighbor or execute people for kissing?

Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. - Mat 7:1-2

Just a thought.

 

[Ichthys4121517]

Excuse me but I said nothing about me being a good Catholic because I’m gay and have a boyfriend. I didn’t even say I was a good one.

All I did was call out a sick person who said something that is so horrific and disgusting that even other “good” Catholics pointed it out to him and even asked if he was “insane”.

No offense, but, if you’re a Catholic (as the side information on your post says), then why wouldn’t you strive to be a good one? If you disagree with the Catholic Church, then, by all means, stop calling yourself Catholic. No one’s forcing you to be one.

And if you’re not necessarily Catholic anymore (just a baptized apostate), then who are you to judge a Catholic? Are you admitting that Catholicism (or at least the teachings of Jesus) is morally sound? Then why aren’t you trying to be a good Catholic? This reminds me of the many atheists who say, “Well, that’s not very Christian of you!” This implies that the atheist admits the fact that Christianity is a morally sound faith. Why wouldn’t you be a part of a faith that you believe is moral? It seems rather hypocritical of them.

St. Thomas More had no problem with punishment for heresy. Or Bishop Bonner. And he Thomas More was a saint…

Perhaps I’m not as educated in this matter as I think, but from what I’ve been taught, St. Thomas Moore defended the Church peacefully, and he was executed for what King Henry thought was heresy (or at least dissent from his theology)! Kind of reminds you of someone, doesn’t it?

 

[portarica]

No offense, but, if you’re a Catholic (as the side information on your post says), then why wouldn’t you strive to be a good one? If you disagree with the Catholic Church, then, by all means, stop calling yourself Catholic. No one’s forcing you to be one.

And if you’re not necessarily Catholic anymore (just a baptized apostate), then who are you to judge a Catholic? Are you admitting that Catholicism (or at least the teachings of Jesus) is morally sound? Then why aren’t you trying to be a good Catholic? This reminds me of the many atheists who say, “Well, that’s not very Christian of you!” This implies that the atheist admits the fact that Christianity is a morally sound faith. Why wouldn’t you be a part of a faith that you believe is moral? It seems rather hypocritical of them.

Perhaps I’m not as educated in this matter as I think, but from what I’ve been taught, St. Thomas Moore defended the Church peacefully, and he was executed for what King Henry thought was heresy (or at least dissent from his theology)! Kind of reminds you of someone, doesn’t it?

St Thomas More had people executed , burned and set on fire, is that peaceful defense of the church?

BTW, its all about becoming better Catholics, we will be good catholics when we master treating all the least like they may be Jesus, until then we have to hope for just being better.

Peace

 

[Havard]

Our brothers are not our enemy. Who our enemy is, is pretty clear:

“Put you on the armour of God, that you may be able to stand against the deceits of the devil. For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places.” - Ephesians 6-:11

The devil would be *delighted *if we abused our righteous anger by forsaking mercy and charity.

 

[Adam1986]

St. Thomas More had no problem with punishment for heresy. Or Bishop Bonner. And he Thomas More was a saint…
**Uh huh. What about Jesus? The Blessed Mother? St. Theresa? Mother Theresa? Are they pro-murder as well? Do you remember when the woman who was committing adultery was about to be stoned? What did Jesus do? Did he pick up a rock and start throwing? NO! He wrote down the sins of all who were present until they left.

He then said, if no one is here to condemn you, then NEITHER WILL I. Your comment about killing people is SICK and goes against EVERYTHING the Catholic Church stands for. Do you really think that Jesus or the Blessed Mother or any saint in Heaven agree with what you stated!? That some of God’s children should be tortuously murdered for kissing!?

And for what it’s worth kissing is not heresy. Also St. Thomas Moore was against the Reformation and people trying to change the Catholic Church. That’s a little worse then kissing, don’t you think??? **

sisters of perpetual indulgence

Those group of male nuns in San Francisco. Sisters of Perpetual indulgence. Openly desecrated a eucharist

Are you referring to this → traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A230rcNiederauerHomo.htm

I didn’t see anything about them desecrating the Eucharist. Only receiving it. There’s a difference between receiving the Eucharist when you shouldn’t and desecrating it. When you said desecrating I first thought of people doing sick things to it.
That’s all I could find, if there’s something else let me know.

And for what’s it’s worth, those guys are nuts and obviously not “normal” gay guys. How many gay guys do you see walking the streets dressed like idiots? And personally I find them EXTREMELY offensive to myself as a Catholic.

Oh I’m sorry, better tell Moses he was insane for slaughtering the midianites or Elijah for slaughtering Pagan Priests. Or Joshua. Or David. Or Solomon. or Omri. Or Jepthah. Or Barak. Or Saul. Or Maccabees, Or Gideon. Or Samson. Or Nimrod. Or St Thomas More. Or Robert Bellamarie. Or Bishop Bonner. … Or God that he was insane for sending the Deluge and destroying Sodom and Gommorah or the plagues of Egypt.

Maybe you should tell God he’s insane for prescribing death penalty for homosexuality…

For hundreds of years heresy has been purged through different sorts and ways. Its better one man die than that man to send hundreds of souls to hell by his actions.

 

[Adam1986]

No offense, but, if you’re a Catholic (as the side information on your post says), then why wouldn’t you strive to be a good one? If you disagree with the Catholic Church, then, by all means, stop calling yourself Catholic. No one’s forcing you to be one.

I do strive to be a good Catholic. As does my boyfriend too, lol. I was just clarifying that I wasn’t saying I was a good Catholic or a better Catholic then the guy in my post. That’s all.

And if you’re not necessarily Catholic anymore (just a baptized apostate), then who are you to judge a Catholic? Are you admitting that Catholicism (or at least the teachings of Jesus) is morally sound? Then why aren’t you trying to be a good Catholic? This reminds me of the many atheists who say, “Well, that’s not very Christian of you!” This implies that the atheist admits the fact that Christianity is a morally sound faith. Why wouldn’t you be a part of a faith that you believe is moral? It seems rather hypocritical of them.

I never judge people. We are ALL sinners. I did not judge that poster. I responded to his sick comment and asked him what kind of Catholic he was because of what he said right then. If it came out like I was judging him completely I do apologize. I was just responding to the comment because that comment was sick and goes against everything the Church teaches.

Perhaps I’m not as educated in this matter as I think, but from what I’ve been taught, St. Thomas Moore defended the Church peacefully, and he was executed for what King Henry thought was heresy (or at least dissent from his theology)! Kind of reminds you of someone, doesn’t it?

**You know I though I had heard that too. But I wasn’t sure. **

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Huh? But isn’t the book that forbid shrimp the one we get an eye for an eye and all the other good stuff that allows us to override what Jesus taught about loving our neighbor , does that mean we can’t rely on Lev. to guide our lives?

Peace

Just to clarify, eye for an eye is actually far more just than what existed at the time. Before “eye for an eye” was enacted, it was “eye for your entire village.” In other words, “you pluck out my eye, I destroy your entire village.” Jesus reigned things in even more when He came.

 

[Ichthys4121517]

**You know I though I had heard that too. But I wasn’t sure. **

Don’t misinterpret my post; admonishing the sinner isn’t bad, and you were doing just that. What I said was that you have no right to condemn someone else whose faith you know is moral, yet you don’t subscribe to such a faith. Obviously you do the latter, so I was mistaken. I had assumed that you don’t try to be a good Catholic based on your embracing of your SSA. This isn’t the thread to discuss the morality of your actions, however, so I’ll leave it at that.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

You can be the former and still be a good Catholic, but not the latter. Your SSA is a cross, a cross that might seem unfortunate (and it is, to the body), but if you carry it correctly, it can be something beautiful.

This ought to be rich. How can being cursed with same-sex attractions lead to something beautiful?

As one so accursed, I see the opposite: same-sex attractions leads to nothing good. Actually, I’m thinking put such in my signature.

 

[Adam1986]

Don’t misinterpret my post; admonishing the sinner isn’t bad, and you were doing just that. What I said was that you have no right to condemn someone else whose faith you know is moral, yet you don’t subscribe to such a faith. Obviously you do the latter, so I was mistaken. I had assumed that you don’t try to be a good Catholic based on your embracing of your SSA. This isn’t the thread to discuss the morality of your actions, however, so I’ll leave it at that.

I’m not quite sure what you mean by your post. The way it’s written is confusing me a little. So I’ll just say that I was not condemning the poster I was just calling him out on something sick that he wrote. If my asking him what kind of Catholic he is, made you think I was condemning him, I’m sorry. Perhaps that was not the best phrasing.

 

[Adam1986]

This ought to be rich. How can being cursed with same-sex attractions lead to something beautiful?

As one so accursed, I see the opposite: same-sex attractions leads to nothing good. Actually, I’m thinking put such in my signature.

I forget who said it but someone posted on here that I think it was a famous priest said that “chaste homosexuals are some of the most holy people he knows.” How is that not beautiful?

 

[LCMS_No_More]

I forget who said it but someone posted on here that I think it was a famous priest said that “chaste homosexuals are some of the most holy people he knows.” How is that not beautiful?

That’s Fr. Groeshel’s opinion.

I see homosexuality as something that stains and mars everything good in this life. It’s like smearing dung on my glasses. Everything is seen through that haze of dung.

Think about it. I have to closely guard the secret else I be branded by other Christians as a pervert who can’t be trusted. When asked “why aren’t you married?” I have to lie and make something up. I can’t have a normal social life. Most people my age are married and have kids. I have…nothing, except to suffer the indignity of being cursed with same-sex attractions every day and night for the rest of my life.

To add insult to injury, the Church’s prescription for one like me they call, “the non-consecrated perpetual single state” or, in real world terms: unholy loneliness forever.

 

[Ichthys4121517]

That’s Fr. Groeshel’s opinion.

I see homosexuality as something that stains and mars everything good in this life. It’s like smearing dung on my glasses. Everything is seen through that haze of dung.

Think about it. I have to closely guard the secret else I be branded by other Christians as a pervert who can’t be trusted. When asked “why aren’t you married?” I have to lie and make something up. I can’t have a normal social life. Most people my age are married and have kids. I have…nothing, except to suffer the indignity of being cursed with same-sex attractions every day and night for the rest of my life.

To add insult to injury, the Church’s prescription for one like me they call, “the non-consecrated perpetual single state” or, in real world terms: unholy loneliness forever.

Clearly you have not discovered the true joy of the Catholic faith that goes beyond simple pleasure. You can be the most objectively unfortunate person in the world and still be immeasurably joyful! How sweet the taste of heaven should be when you “earn” it after enduring much more suffering than others! Jesus’s life certainly wasn’t easy, having people call Him out for blasphemy and violation of Mosaic law, even to the point of an excruciating death. But who is more joyful than God (who has suffered more than anyone else)? Be thankful for your cross; turn it from something dark and repulsive into something holy!

I can’t say my life has been the slightest bit difficult so far; but I am young. I long for the day when, in my darkest hour of mourning and hardship, God is there to comfort me in a way that no one else can. Remember (and I’m paraphrasing here), “There will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous men.” I’m not saying necessarily that you are a repentant sinner, but sin in this case can be synonymous with sorrow, because that is what it is to the soul.

That might not make sense, but it’s just my understanding of things. It’s what makes the Catholic faith so much greater than any other. The Catholic faith is the only one that can grant you the greatest form of joy - the joy of being a child of God. This philosophy of spiritual joy is what “keeps me going”, if you will. I pray you will find something similar.

By the way, there’s nothing wrong with being single. It’s not a disease. I recall reading that some Fathers of the Church said that being chaste is actually preferable to married life. Take that for what it’s worth.

And to Adam1986:

There’s a difference between condemning and admonishing. You were doing the latter, which is good. Bless you! The former is something only God can (or should) do. There’s nothing wrong with being revolted by sin. It is quite another to use that sense of revulsion as a justification for delivering the kind of justice that only God can deliver; the other poster’s comment about “burning heretics at the stake”, for example. You did no such thing. I was also commenting on the hypocrisy of people who judge followers of religion that such people know is moral, yet they do not follow such a religion. Again, you are innocent in this regard. I had thought you were an apostate, thus one of these hypocrites. But you are not. I hope this helps clarify things.

 

[Adam1986]

That’s Fr. Groeshel’s opinion.

I see homosexuality as something that stains and mars everything good in this life. It’s like smearing dung on my glasses. Everything is seen through that haze of dung.

Think about it. I have to closely guard the secret else I be branded by other Christians as a pervert who can’t be trusted. When asked “why aren’t you married?” I have to lie and make something up. I can’t have a normal social life. Most people my age are married and have kids. I have…nothing, except to suffer the indignity of being cursed with same-sex attractions every day and night for the rest of my life.

To add insult to injury, the Church’s prescription for one like me they call, “the non-consecrated perpetual single state” or, in real world terms: unholy loneliness forever.

Hey man. I don’t really know what to say to comfort you because our beliefs differ.

I can feel your pain though and I will pray for you.

I’m sorry that people ask you “why aren’t you married?” It’s none of their business.

I’m also sorry that you feel like you need to stay in the closet. I can’t sit here and tell you in good faith to come out. That is a personal choice that someone needs to make all on their own. I do want to say though that many people are very accepting of homosexuals. Including Catholics.

You CAN have a normal social life though. Why don’t you think you can??

I’m very sorry that you feel your homosexuality is a curse. All I can say though is that God made you this way and He must have had a good and righteous reason to and that God does not “curse” people.

I can’t really help you with the last part of your post because like I said our views differ. But I don’t think the Church says that gay people are “unholy”. That would be like saying a gay person can never go to Heaven because they are not holy. The Church does not teach that. The Church teaches that everyone is a child of God and all have the opportunity to go to Heaven.

 

[Adam1986]

And to Adam1986:

There’s a difference between condemning and admonishing. You were doing the latter, which is good. Bless you! The former is something only God can (or should) do. There’s nothing wrong with being revolted by sin. It is quite another to use that sense of revulsion as a justification for delivering the kind of justice that only God can deliver; the other poster’s comment about “burning heretics at the stake”, for example. You did no such thing. I was also commenting on the hypocrisy of people who judge followers of religion that such people know is moral, yet they do not follow such a religion. Again, you are innocent in this regard. I had thought you were an apostate, thus one of these hypocrites. But you are not. I hope this helps clarify things.

Yes it does very much so. Thanks.