Indiana Diocese, Catholic Schools and Gay Issues

[gam197]

This is from the Detroit Free Press. It is important to note that the “Free Press” receives funding money from the Tides Foundation.

June 25, 2020

Transgender youth may be barred from Indiana Catholic schools

There was an issue last year when Brebeuf Jesuit Prepatory High School refused to fired an openly gay married man and the diocese suspended its catholic identity. There was an appeal to the Vatican and I do not beliieve it has been resolved. The school still retains catholic on its web page but is only allowed chapel masses.

Pickets took place.

September 2019

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/24/us/brebeuf-jesuit-preparatory-school-catholic-church-trnd/index.html

 

[cloistered]

These particular schools aren’t fully Catholic and private. They are tax payer funded and trying to then deny civil rights. They need to pick if they are private or not. Right now, they wanted to be publicly funded and privately run and that isn’t going to work.

 

[gam197]

These particular schools aren’t fully Catholic and private. They are tax payer funded and trying to then deny civil rights. They need to pick if they are private or not. Right now, they wanted to be publicly funded and privately run and that isn’t going to work.

So is Notre Dame in Indiana but that does not mean that Catholic schools do not have a right to be Catholic in preinciple because some of the students get students loans from the government.

 

[cloistered]

Loans are payed back, with interest.

 

[gam197]

These particular schools aren’t fully Catholic and private. They are tax payer funded and trying to then deny civil rights. They need to pick if they are private or not. Right now, they wanted to be publicly funded and privately run and that isn’t going to work.

It works that way with many groups, the state allows them tax free status. They may receive funds because they do foster care or take in immigrants in their programs. Just the way business is done.

 

[cloistered]

If they are denying service and denying folks their civil rights, they should not receive taxpayer funds.

 

[stpurl]

How do you feel about the fact that parents who send their children to private schools (which includes other non-Catholic religious schools as well) not only have to pay the local school taxes for the public schools in their home towns, but have to pay private tuition on top of it?

The SCHOOLS may enjoy a ‘tax free status’, but the parents are ‘doubly taxed’ if you will.

Not only that, but if you’re complaining that the Catholic schools are somehow denying rights to others, let me suggest that you go to your local public school and demand that your child be allowed to wear a cross (they are forbidden as ‘gang symbols or offensive to nonChristians, but your Muslim neighbor’s daughter can wear a hijab), or that your school include as part of its curriculum religious studies. Yet your local ‘private religious school’ is going to be held responsible to teach whatever ‘secular’ studies are mandated by the local, state, and federal governments, whether they interfere with your religious beliefs or not, such as in sex education classes, ‘mindfulness’ (a catchall phrase meaning anything as blandly innocent as a few minutes of silence thinking of a happy place to actual instruction regarding far Eastern meditation and specific teachings of those faiths while you cannot even say “Jesus” unless you’re obviously cursing). Your right to worship freely stops at the front door of your public school and indeed more and more the minute you walk out of your home. Somehow years ago when I studied civics the documents of the founding fathers never mandated that ‘freedom to worship’ meant ONLY in the privacy of one’s home, or in one’s church, and never to be lived or spoken of elsewhere, certainly never to be practiced outside those two spheres.

 

[cloistered]

“not only have to pay the local school taxes for the public schools in their home towns, but have to pay private tuition on top of it?”

They do not HAVE to, they choose to.

My kids attend public schools and I know that kids there wear crosses.

" Somehow years ago when I studied civics the documents of the founding fathers never mandated that ‘freedom to worship’ meant ONLY in the privacy of one’s home, or in one’s church, and never to be lived or spoken of elsewhere, certainly never to be practiced outside those two spheres."

I know no one who thinks this and you certainly aren’t describing the current state of law in the US.

 

[Trader]

These particular schools aren’t fully Catholic and private. They are tax payer funded and trying to then deny civil rights. They need to pick if they are private or not. Right now, they wanted to be publicly funded and privately run and that isn’t going to work.

I think you are misinformed about our Indiana voucher program. Vouchers go to the parents, not the schools. Parents are free to use those vouchers at any accredited school of their choice, whether it is religious, secular, or even a public school in a nearby district where they do not live. The law explicitly provides protections for the schools. If all students are required to take religion classes, so are voucher students that may not be Catholic. It seems very strange to me that parents would want their children taught values that they oppose at home. The parents are free to send their children to a school that agrees with, if they can find such a school, or home school them if no such school exists.

There is a problem that some dioceses have failed to make it clear that their schools exist to assist parents in their duty to pass on the faith and hold all their teachers to the requirements of their contracts.

The law was challenged in court and has been upheld by the Indiana Supreme Court.

 

[cloistered]

I know how the system works. I think it is horrible system that the Catholic schools will some day come to feel shame for participating in (and all other private schools that particpate, I say Catholic here as this is a Catholic forum, so I am talking about the involment of the Catholic schools). I find it immoral and while it has been ruled constitutional in Indiana, it has been ruled unconstitutional in many other states.