Indiana girl tied to largest measles outbreak in decade

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Why is this under ‘Culture of Death’? People should have a right to decide whether or not to get vaccinated without being accused of promoting the culture of death! That’s a personal decision just like the decision to use birth control or not. We don’t owe society anything in this regard, even if our decision isn’t mainstream!

The drug companies surpress any information that indictes their products. Vaccinations have been linked with the explosion of autoimmune diseases and other immune problems. People have a right to question them, the medical establishment doesn’t want people to question anything and likes to surpress anything that challanges their monopoly. Go to Europe and you’ll see more tolerance for alternative medicine. The AMA wants to maintain control, no matter what.
 
originally posted by Karin
you keep bringing up Japan and how they changed how they give the MMR and you also claim the MMR causes Autism…I have shown you that your views could be skewed…
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I don’t know what causes Autism. I just believe there may be a connection.

We both agree that Japan has three separate shots but that doesn’t tell us anything just that they have three separate shots. We have no statistics on what percent of the population still gets the rubella shots. Until we do, there really is no evidence that Rubella shots are not related to this increase.
originally posted by Karin
Single measles and rubella vaccines have been given at the same time since 1993, but unfortunately cases of measles are common and there have been 79 measles related deaths between 1992 and 1997. In this country there were no acute measles deaths during this time.
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*Also from article on Japan…

But a spokesman said even more had died from the disease during the period when MMR was being used.

He said the withdrawal of the triple vaccine had had no impact

Deadly epidemics of measles are far more common in Japan than the UK. The ministry says that is because children are often vaccinated much later.*.
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Why is this under ‘Culture of Death’?
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I posted this here because I didn’t know where to put it. My original concern was the insinuation that it was “Christians” who were causing an outbreak of measles in the US. It somehow went in another direction.
 
I don’t like the push for vaccines because i think the main reason it’s done is not to save lives but to keep working moms from being inconvenienced by their children. I had chicken pox and i loved it. I don’t understand what’s wrong with going through it if the only way to prevent it is with the cells of a dead baby.
Furthermore, the story said two of the people who caught the measles had been vaccinated. What’s up with that?
 
I am here to back up Karin’s posts, she is correct!
I am the Aunt of an Autistic 6 year old boy. Brian has autism and seizures, because of the seizures Brian’s doctor has not given him his MMR also he had not had most of his DPT’s or other “Baby shots”
Baby Brian and my sister nearly died during his birth, he has problems from the start.
His autism is CLEARLY NOT from the MMR or any other vaccines.
They are involved in a lot of organizations concerning causes and so far Autism is either a genetic or environmental link but no one is sure as of yet. They are not even sure if it was cause from the birth trauma.
The reason for not recieving shots is the seizures where on was severve following a DPT.
Their older daughter recieved ALL her shots and not a single sign of autism
 
gam197 said:
There is alot of controversy over whether there is a relationship between the vaccine and the outbreak of Autism so parents are having a difficult time. Many parents are not aware they can get the shots separately.

They also could have clarified what type of measles as Rubella is the only one tainted. The Chicken pox vaccine is also tainted.
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My son has Aspergers Syndrome a form of Autism. It was not caused by the MMR. The concern with the MMR, is the amount of mercury used. I understand now the shots are mercury free. My son is 23, has an AAS degree in Drafting and is going for his bachelors in Engineering at NCState. I don’t blame the shot or any vaccine for his autism. It just happened.

Juli
 
gam197 said:
I haven’t seen that. Could you post?

I had separate shots done for a toddler and it was not a problem at all. What is the risk? Rubella is only serious to pregnant women not to the person infected.

If Japan can produce an untainted vaccine, why can’t the USA?
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She had just met a woman whose child was normal and something went haywire after he had the shot. So she asked us (the family), and we asked around, especially we asked doctors with children, and finally she came up with the right solution on her own.
I remember that she said that child developed Downs after the shot, but that just doesn’t seem right, it was probably autism.
 
Karianne said:
She had just met a woman whose child was normal and something went haywire after he had the shot. So she asked us (the family), and we asked around, especially we asked doctors with children, and finally she came up with the right solution on her own.
I remember that she said that child developed Downs after the shot, but that just doesn’t seem right, it was probably autism.
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It would have been impossible to develop Down’s syndrome from a shot. A Down’s child has the syndrome from the moment of conception. It is a chromosomal disorder resulting from malformation of either the egg or sperm.
 
I just want to clarify that when I ordered the shots for the toddler, I skipped the Rubella shot as I was afraid of Autism. Rubella is not a serious disease for the person infected. Either is Chicken pox.
 
gam197 said:
I just want to clarify that when I ordered the shots for the toddler, I skipped the Rubella shot as I was afraid of Autism. Rubella is not a serious disease for the person infected. Either is Chicken pox.
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rubella is serious if you are pregnant…:mad:
I had my kids get the single shot…no side effects:thumbsup: …
 
I don’t know which side of the MMR debate I fall on, but I was not properly vacinated and had the MMR2 shot my freshman year of college. It made me hallucinate and I lost some hearing in one ear. If I was 2 no one would of known…
 
gam197 said:
I just want to clarify that when I ordered the shots for the toddler, I skipped the Rubella shot as I was afraid of Autism. Rubella is not a serious disease for the person infected. Either is Chicken pox.
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Not sure why you think it was the MMR. Actually, the debate was over the DTP shot, diptheria, turbuclosis, and Pertusis (whooping cough). Many parents opted out of the “P” shot because of the “scare stories” related to autism. Now whooping cough has made a come back in some areas of the country.

My son was diagosed at age 14 with Aspergers Syndrome. (when he was younger, we noted something was amiss, but the drs. didn’t see AS)

I am not sure why you are “afraid” of autism. The only problem my son has is “socialization”. It has not affected his abilities to be a productive citizen. He is not on any medication, and is not getting SSI. He has a drivers license and a car, (he pays his insurance and made the car payments when he worked, it is now paid for) If you look at your scientists, engineers (cubicle, Dilbert types) and mathematicians…how many of them are the life of the party? Yet they are brilliant.

Dan Aykroyd has Aspergers Syndrome, and so the the actor Richard Moll (played on Night Court). If you look at biographies of Bill Gates…note what he is doing in the board room at a software conference in Japan. He is “rocking” back and forth. Albert Einstien was another brilliant mind, thought to have HFA. He wore bedroom slippers to teach class and sweaters with holes in them. He wasn’t really sure what a hairbrush was for. (at times my son forgets too). Carl Sagan was another brilliant person thought to have AS. Yes, I am sure there are billions and billions of them out there, but nothing to be afraid of.😃
 
Julianna said:
Not sure why you think it was the MMR. Actually, the debate was over the DTP shot, diptheria, turbuclosis, and Pertusis (whooping cough). Many parents opted out of the “P” shot because of the “scare stories” related to autism. Now whooping cough has made a come back in some areas of the country.

My son was diagosed at age 14 with Aspergers Syndrome. (when he was younger, we noted something was amiss, but the drs. didn’t see AS)

I am not sure why you are “afraid” of autism. The only problem my son has is “socialization”. It has not affected his abilities to be a productive citizen. He is not on any medication, and is not getting SSI. He has a drivers license and a car, (he pays his insurance and made the car payments when he worked, it is now paid for) If you look at your scientists, engineers (cubicle, Dilbert types) and mathematicians…how many of them are the life of the party? Yet they are brilliant.

Dan Aykroyd has Aspergers Syndrome, and so the the actor Richard Moll (played on Night Court). If you look at biographies of Bill Gates…note what he is doing in the board room at a software conference in Japan. He is “rocking” back and forth. Albert Einstien was another brilliant mind, thought to have HFA. He wore bedroom slippers to teach class and sweaters with holes in them. He wasn’t really sure what a hairbrush was for. (at times my son forgets too). Carl Sagan was another brilliant person thought to have AS. Yes, I am sure there are billions and billions of them out there, but nothing to be afraid of.😃
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nope the big debate has always been with the MMR shot and the “suposed” link to autism in some kids…
never with the DPT shot and autism.
 
originally posted by** Meggie**
I don’t know which side of the MMR debate I fall on, but I was not properly vacinated and had the MMR2 shot my freshman year of college. It made me hallucinate and I lost some hearing in one ear. If I was 2 no one would of known…
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True, no one would have known. That is exactly the point. A two year old weighs about twenty pounds and we are injecting them with one shot that is potent and has alot of controversy surrounding it.

Parents don’t want to risk it and many don’t know how to order the single shots. Also parents who blame these shots for their child’s Autism then refuse to trust anyone to give any shots to their other children creating the possibility of an outbreak of regular measles or mumps which can be dangerous. Who does the article that I posted blame for an outbreak of measles, its the “Wacky Christians”.
 
gam197 said:
There is alot of controversy over whether there is a relationship between the vaccine and the outbreak of Autism so parents are having a difficult time. Many parents are not aware they can get the shots separately.

They also could have clarified what type of measles as Rubella is the only one tainted. The Chicken pox vaccine is also tainted.
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My family has a history if PDD and autism. We will not vaccinate using the approved vaccines with mercury as a preservative for this reason.

Also as long as we have a choice we will not use medicines that use aborted children to protect our children. It is wrong to do an evil to produce a good.
 
Karin said:
nope the big debate has always been with the MMR shot and the “suposed” link to autism in some kids…
never with the DPT shot and autism.
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autism.org/overview.html

Please note I do not believe either group of shots MMR or DPT caused my son’s autism. But DPT, especially “P” has been linked to autism as well.
 
The fact that autism is rising, I think, also has to do with our understanding of what it is. My friend’s little sister, M, is autistic (in the foster system her adoptive mom…mom to atleast 8) knew there was something different about her. All that it appeared to be was that baby M chose to scream insted of speak, (when spoken to) and spit…now fifty years ago this poor kid probably would of been called posessed, manic or worse. With behavioral training M is six and in regular kindergarden…she uses full sentences, though not words.

I know other autistics who have some characteristics that would of been see differently.

Its also our way of seeing the world, that everything is damaged and must be fixed. It also has to do with our society and entertainment, I think. I was told that I have processing disorders…I lived in a small city all my life and it was irratating and overwhelming sometimes…now I live in the boonies…and I have almost no problems processing things. When I go to college however…the problems start again. With so many city dwellers, its no wonder some people have trouble processing all the information! I think the show “Little House” and wonder how many of the characters would have handicaps if they were in the chaotic world that we live in.

I think that throwing all of this on a vacination is unrealistic, however, that dosn’t mean the vacination has nothing to do with it.
 
Julianna said:
autism.org/overview.html

Please note I do not believe either group of shots MMR or DPT caused my son’s autism. But DPT, especially “P” has been linked to autism as well.
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well that is a first I ever heard of it…go figure all these folks stating that the MMR gave their kids autism and it could of been the DPT…go figure.
Oh well…I still think it is a small risk (getting autism froma shot)…unless you are genetically or physically prone to it to or some outside source (enviromental) begin with.
 
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autism.org/overview.html
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Please note I do not believe either group of shots MMR or DPT caused my son’s autism. But DPT, especially “P” has been linked to autism as well.
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Today it is the MMR that is of major concern to parents not the DPT.

The DPT shot years back were said to be a problem for some. The Pertussis part and mercury were the issues Shots can be obtained that are mercury free today.

As of May, 2000, it is possible to get the entire course of childhood vaccines without thimerosal, since some manufacturers have developed thimerosal-free vaccines…

Ethylmercury and the DPT Vaccine
  • Ethylmercury has been a component of the DPT vaccine. Some believe that this compound exacerbates any tendencies of the DPT vaccine to contribute to epileptiform activity.
    healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/vaccines-*mercury.htm
healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/vaccines-mercury.htm
 
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