Indifference of Religion

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With all the scandals the Catholic Church is having, how can one argue that the Catholic Church carries more grace than other religions?
 
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With all the scandals the Catholic Church is having, how can one argue that the Catholic Church carries more grace than other religions?
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Carries more grace? The Church is the vehicle and instrument for the ordinary dispensation of grace. The Church’s authority isn’t based on its founding by Jesus Christ and his apostles, not on any claim to the impeccability of its clergy or believers. The Church is made up of sinners.

Certainly the Church officials should and must do better, and some of its members have in an official capacity inexcusably hurt others, but the purity of its members is not by which it claims to derive its authority.
 
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Do we judge the effectiveness of a Doctor by his patients that refuse to take his medicine??

Of course not, we judge him by his patients that take his medicine.

The members of the Church that take the Churchs medicine become Saints. Study the Saints , not the scoundrels who refuse the Churches medicine
 
While the other posters are technically correct, I’m not sure if they fully appreciate the immense harm that the scandals have done to the church and to apologetics. Merely stating that the church is holy or that the scandals are due to a small portion of her membership (while true) will do little to sway someone who is doubting (or worse, actively hostile). The truth is that there is probably nothing you can say that will convince someone of the truth and grace of the catholic church. Actions speak louder the words, and the actions of those who committed the scandals speak pretty loudly. The only thing you can do is make sure that you are living out the teachings of the church. You living out your faith will say far more - and go much further in repairing the church’s image - than anything you can say.
 
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I do agree with you. It’s not fair to condemn the many for the actions of the few. The corrupt actions of a small part of a system does not in and of itself discredit the system as a whole. And the Catholic church is not the only organization to have these problems. But those who are most concerned about the these scandals aren’t thinking that logically. It doesn’t matter to them that most Catholic priests didn’t abuse children, and any attempts to point this out only sounds like we are attempting to make excuses for those horrible crimes. Pointing this out isn’t letting the situation control us. Its acknowledging that these crimes happened; that they were horrible, and that - fair or not - the image of the church has been tarnished. Mere words aren’t good enough to repair that. And, frankly, logical arguments aren’t good enough either. Its going to take a concerted effort, through the actions of the faithful, and a lot of time, to heal those wounds.
 
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With all the scandals the Catholic Church is having, how can one argue that the Catholic Church carries more grace than other religions?
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God gives out graces where He sees fit, regardless of religion or creed
 
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With all the scandals the Catholic Church is having, how can one argue that the Catholic Church carries more grace than other religions?
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Bishop Robert Barron wrote a good book, Letter to a Suffering Church, to help Catholics with questions and worries about the sex abuse scandal, and I think it may answer your question as well. My parish was handing these out for free to interested parishioners. See if your parish has a copy that you could have or borrow.
 
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Barron also perpetuates the falsehood that only th Catholic Church has Christ in the Eucharist, so why would I believe anything else he says?
 
If you artificially limit your view to the human aspect - in any and all organizations - you will come away disappointed.

However, if you look up - up to the perfection of God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit; if you examine the Sacraments and see the channels of grace that Christ made them to be; if you look at 2,000 years of miracles - ongoing miracles - you will be impressed, even inspired.
 
Well, pre-judgment is little better than judgement. The Orthodox are of course included. All others separated from the Eucharist, redefining it, or altering the nature of the priesthood to be something that the Apostles never taught.

History is history.

Facts are facts.
 
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